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[WanderingWind]

You're just repeating things that are factually, verifiably untrue. You ask for diversity in hip-hop. It's there. Right now. In 2013. You're not knowing about it doesn't change verifiable facts.

And it's my educated opinion that rap music is far, far more diversified than it has ever been, simply because there has never been more of the music being made than ever before. If you can't find something that breaks you away from the absolutely incorrect opinion that rap is homogenous in 2013, and you own a computer and working internet connection, then you're not even making a passing attempt to look farther than what you think the music is. It's confirmation bias of the highest order and acting like its a rock upon which to build a faux intellectual fortress upon which to cast stones at your perceived mental inferiors is ego at its worst.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

This is why the last Killah Priest album was so refreshing. I've always been a fan and that 2 disc album is a god send to me.

oh yeah he hasnt fallen off at all, and his last album was nice indeed.

 

[Kapsama]

The 80s had LL Cool J.
The early 90s had MC Hammer & Vanilla Ice.
The Late 90s until early 00s had Cam-L.
Since 2003 it's been Southern nursery rhyme trash.

Rap you don't have to be ashamed off has always been drowned out by questionable rap.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Oh god we have entered my favorite part of any rap discussion. Black people.

 

[cobragt4001]

You're just repeating things that are factually, verifiably untrue. You ask for diversity in hip-hop. It's there. Right now. In 2013. You're not knowing about it doesn't change verifiable facts.

And it's my educated opinion that rap music is far, far more diversified than it has ever been, simply because there has never been more of the music being made than ever before. If you can't find something that breaks you away from the absolutely incorrect opinion that rap is homogenous in 2013, and you own a computer and working internet connection, then you're not even making a passing attempt to look farther than what you think the music is. It's confirmation bias of the highest order and acting like its a rock upon which to build a faux intellectual fortress upon which to cast stones at your perceived mental inferiors is ego at its worst.

Hiphop as a whole is diverse but I specifically said what's on the air waves and media outlets, get it? I have a problem with the industry because only one style is pushed while a style that's reminiscent to the prime and original, but with a new sound is casted away or seen as wack. There's no telling how many of the masses might actually like a K rino or Immortal Technique but since they don't know they exist, they settle with Gucci Mane and Lil Wayne.

 

[WanderingWind]

Hiphop as a whole is diverse but I specifically said what's on the air waves and media outlets, get it? I have a problem with the industry because only one style is pushed while a style that's reminiscent to the prime and original, but with a new sound is casted away or seen as wack. There's no telling how many of the masses might actually like a K rino or Immortal Technique but since they don't know they exist, they settle with Gucci Mane and Lil Wayne.

It's not 1995-2003 any longer. People consume music in a much, much different fashion than they used to. The internet exists, it's not going away. Independent artists are blowing up, going on tour. Smaller labels have voices now. Bandcamp exists. SoundCloud exists. iTunes exists. The landscape has changed.

So yes, if your knowledge of music begins and ends with top 40, you're going to be exposed to less music overall than if you hadn't stepped out of a time machine yesterday from the Bush-Clinton-Bush era.

And now, even taking your arbitrary boundaries of music people might have been exposed to on the radio and the radio alone. Kendrick Lamar. Ab-Soul. Kanye. Danny Brown. Schoolboy Q. Fuck, even if I hate his dull milquetoast act, Drake is all over. And there is more. And they all have their own identities, their own styles and topics. What "real" hip-hop topic do you want to hear about? What homogeny exists between Danny and Drake? KDot and Kanye?

Oh, and the fact that literally every person drops Immortal Technique as the "unheard" rapper is hilarious. Most known unknown.

 

[HovaHovito]

Yet you completely missed the issue I'm addressing. Bet you got into hiphop 3 years ago.

Thanks for proving my point you dusty elitist

 

[DonasaurusRex]

getting testy in here , good discussion though.

 

[cobragt4001]

It's not 1995-2003 any longer. People consume music in a much, much different fashion than they used to. The internet exists, it's not going away. Independent artists are blowing up, going on tour. Smaller labels have voices now. Bandcamp exists. SoundCloud exists. iTunes exists. The landscape has changed.

So yes, if your knowledge of music begins and ends with top 40, you're going to be exposed to less music overall than if you hadn't stepped out of a time machine yesterday from the Bush-Clinton-Bush era.

And now, even taking your arbitrary boundaries of music people might have been exposed to on the radio and the radio alone. Kendrick Lamar. Ab-Soul. Kanye. Danny Brown. Schoolboy Q. Fuck, even if I hate his dull milquetoast act, Drake is all over. And there is more. And they all have their own identities, their own styles and topics. What "real" hip-hop topic do you want to hear about? What homogeny exists between Danny and Drake? KDot and Kanye?

Oh, and the fact that literally every person drops Immortal Technique as the "unheard" rapper is hilarious. Most known unknown.

Let me say this before I go on, not really impressed by Lamar or anyone you mentioned. Their style ain't no fucking different. I bet you think Lupe is a conscious rapper, lol those dudes you mention garbage. Like I said, true artist aren't getting the due praise and at the end of the day, hiphop is still damaging to the youth. The over glorification of material and seft destructive behaviour is running rampant and it can't be argued, you can't even argue it. No one has argued my point that this bullshit called rap is hurting the art and hurting the listeners.

And as good as Immortal is and many others, they'll never get their deserved recognition. You know I find it so funny how a lot of white guys, young or old, that like rock know and understand the art in the present and past. But with hiphop, young fans don't even know who Rakim or KRS one is or even public enemy and that's a problem. Most of the people in this thread are people who simply go with the flow, whatever XXX or Vibe says is hot you go with it and that's why hiphop is so weak now. I don't give a fuck how people listen to music differently than people back in the 90s or 00s. The fucking point is, hiphop as it is now is devoid of any art or creativity. The shit is straight up damaging the minds of people to idolize bullshit, now argue that.

 

[Wynnebeck]

I'm still waiting for Loaded Lux to drop an album.

 

[Grizza]

Souls of Mischief's '93 'til Infinity has been my jam for 20 years now: http://youtu.be/1mt3vZHDiM8

But I find the idea of backpacker elitism in rap as ridiculous. Not everyone was as cultured as you think you were growing up, and different rappers have different things to say. Why does anyone care if I like UGK and El-P equally? I like socially conscious music, and I like party jams.

 

[Princess Carl]

This thread has been infinitely entertaining.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Immortal Tech being brought up as an example of good music? His boring, one flow having ass. Simple and plain reciting textbook ass. His open yo eyes and mind pseudo intellectual pandering ass.


Yea, I'm aware of the Iran Contra. Not every song needs a message and having a message doesn't make a song good.

Just a bunch of dusty ass, musically stuck up and ignorant, too busy to Google, "back in my day" motherfuckers in here.

 

[Pinko Marx]

The fucking point is, hiphop as it is now is devoid of any art or creativity. The shit is straight up damaging the minds of people to idolize bullshit, now argue that.

Its like you're not even reading WanderingWinds' posts...Like..At all bro. If you think hip-hop is dead or devoid of creativity then just give up on it. You clearly aren't willing to put in the minimal effort to find what you're looking for out there (and it is out there.)

 

[cobragt4001]

Its like you're not even reading WanderingWinds' posts...Like..At all bro. If you think hip-hop is dead or devoid of creativity then just give up on it. You clearly aren't willing to put in the minimal effort to find what you're looking for out there (and it is out there.)

And you clearly have never seen of the hiphop thread I've made or even read what I have said so far. I am not here looking for artist to listen to, I have plenty of tags but what I am doing is discussing the disparity of hiphop. Again, no one has argued my point that this shit music is detrimental to the youth and even grown ass people.

 

[cobragt4001]

Immortal Tech being brought up as an example of good music? His boring, one flow having ass. Simple and plain reciting textbook ass. His open yo eyes and mind pseudo intellectual pandering ass.


Yea, I'm aware of the Iran Contra. Not every song needs a message and having a message doesn't make a song good.

Just a bunch of dusty ass, musically stuck up and ignorant, too busy to Google, "back in my day" motherfuckers in here.

Yet you sit infront of a computer all day and that man has been out in the streets and other countries doing positive things. He has done more for the community than any of these rappers and did you watch the video in the op? Did you observe how intelligently he conveyed how points and how it had relevance?

 

[Jest Chillin]

And you clearly have never seen of the hiphop thread I've made or even read what I have said so far. I am not here looking for artist to listen to, I have plenty of tags but what I am doing is discussing the disparity of hiphop. Again, no one has argued my point that this shit music is detrimental to the youth and even grown ass people.

I'd say the problem is with the listener who idolizes any actions or messages portrayed by a musician. Doesn't matter if it's Immortal Technique, Bun B, Lil Wayne, or Lupe Fiasco. At the end of the day these are musicians, not professors. Even when there's a grain of truth or knowledge, a song rarely accurately expresses the intricacies of social issues. It can't. It's too truncated and has no dialogue.

So listen to what sounds good and accept music for what it is. Entertainment. Doesn't matter who the artist is or what their message is.

 

[Grakl]

don't feel like actually discussing with other people? just say nobody gets it and that nobody is saying anything anyway

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Yet you sit infront of a computer all day and that man has been out in the streets and other countries doing positive things. He has dine more for the community than any of these rappers and did you watch the video in the op? Did you observe how intelligently he conveyed hos points and how it had relevance?

What the hell does that have to do with him being bad at music?

I don't want to hear Stephen Hawking rap ( yes I do actually, but he'd have an excuse for being so mono toned).

I don't give a shit how well spoken dude is, he's a MySpace rapper who likes to read. Good on him for educating himself but I wouldn't bat an eye if he never recorded another song ever again.

You can miss me with that 'you sit in front of a computer all day' and you wonder why everyone is calling you lame.

 

[Permanently A]

surprised at the lack of wax in this thread

 

[cobragt4001]

What the hell does that have to do with him being bad at music?

I don't want to hear Stephen Hawking rap ( yes I do actually, but he'd have an excuse for being so mono toned).

I don't give a shit how well spoken dude is, he's a MySpace rapper who likes to read. Good on him for educating himself but I wouldn't bat an eye if he never recorded another song ever again.

You can miss me with that 'you sit in front of a computer all day' and you wonder why everyone is calling you lame.

He's good at music. Dude claimed he's a fake scholar, Immortal never claimed to be a scholar but you can't say stupid shit like that and all you do is sit on your ass and lurk gaf. And I don't give a fuck who thinks I'm lame, with the stupidity of the society running rampant anyone with fucking common sense is labeled "lame."

 

[cobragt4001]

I'd say the problem is with the listener who idolizes any actions or messages portrayed by a musician. Doesn't matter if it's Immortal Technique, Bun B, Lil Wayne, or Lupe Fiasco. At the end of the day these are musicians, not professors. Even when there's a grain of truth or knowledge, a song rarely accurately expresses the intricacies of social issues. It can't. It's too truncated and has no dialogue.

So listen to what sounds good and accept music for what it is. Entertainment. Doesn't matter who the artist is or what their message is.

And that's our problem. Music isn't just entertainment. Take 6 mins of your time to look at this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ Look at how music from this old man's time up lifted him and made him feel love. So if music can be used to give or show love to a person and make a person feel good or positive, can't it be used in reversed? Can't music make you negative in a way you love it and can it make you hate? Entertainment ain't just entertainment and that's the point of this thread. I'm not here to brag about how I listen to Wu Tang vs Hot Boys. The picture is bigger than that. We have a so call art called hiphop killing the minds of many and that's my beef.

canibus-
"technology is blessing but also a curse, teaching us how to hate but in a way that we love it."
Now I bet most of gaf won't even know what fuck that line even means or the point.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

all you do is sit on your ass and lurk gaf. And I don't give a fuck who thinks I'm lame, with the stupidity of the society running rampant anyone with fucking common sense is labeled "lame."

lol can't believe you double downed on your insult.

You're not being perceived a certain way because you have common sense, it's because you're on some bullshit.


Your "I'm so smart, most everyone else so dumb" schtick is tired.

 

[cobragt4001]

lol can't believe you double downed on your insult.

You're not being perceived a certain way because you have common sense, it's because you're on some bullshit.

You really ain't adding to the conversation so let my lame ass and this lame ass thread go on. Purge it from your un-lame mind.

 

[cobragt4001]

Ask yourselves this, why has every culture in this world had some form of music used for rituals to thank their ancestors or do spiritual magic or even go to war. Look at the history of the American Revolutionary war and the war drums and music used for the soldiers. Music ain't just entertainment, it can inspire and be destructive. Hell look at hardcore metal were people get the fighting because of the energy that music gives off. Look at crunk rap were people get the fighting because of the energy. Music, just like traditional art that inspires people works the same so it ain't just entertainment.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Ask yourselves this, why has every culture in this world had some form of music used for rituals to thank their ancestors or do spiritual magic or even go to war. Look at the history of the American Revolutionary war and the war drums and music used for the soldiers. Music ain't just entertainment, it can inspire and be destructive. Hell look at hardcore metal were people get the fighting because of the energy that music gives off. Look at crunk rap were people get the fighting because of the energy. Music, just like traditional art that inspires people works the same so it ain't just entertainment.

You can say this for every form of media. The beauty of the technology we have now is that we have access to so much content we don't need it all to fulfill traditional roles.

I'm going to assume you don't play video games, watch movies, or watch TV either, because there is far more violence in those mediums.

 

[Jest Chillin]

And that's our problem. Music isn't just entertainment. Take 6 mins of your time to look at this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ Look at how music from this old man's time up lifted him and made him feel love. So if music can be used to give or show love to a person and make a person feel good or positive, can't it be used in reversed? Can't music make you negative in a way you love it and can it make you hate? Entertainment ain't just entertainment and that's the point of this thread. I'm not here to brag about how I listen to Wu Tang vs Hot Boys. The picture is bigger than that. We have a so call art called hiphop killing the minds of many and that's my beef.

canibus-
"technology is blessing but also a curse, teaching us how to hate but in a way that we love it."
Now I bet most of gaf won't even know what fuck that line even means or the point.

People feel emotions while they listen to music because they identify with the message. They connect with it because it echos ideas, feelings, or experiences they already have.

How many people have had their entire worldview changed by a single song? Not many, if any at all. The music isn't killing the minds of anyone. The same people who listen to a song and allow it to influence their thoughts are just as likely to be influenced by other media. If you're going to complain about what you think are negative impressions then the problem is how easily people are influenced regardless of what the actual message is. Because I can tell you right now, no matter what you think of Immortal Technique or Canibus "messages" there are people who think you just as much a fool for taking their music as gospel as a kid who starts sipping lean because his favorite rapper talks about it.

The solution isn't eliminating a type of music. The solution would be to encourage more people to educate themselves through verifiable sources rather than through entertainers.

And I could never take any quote seriously from Canibus. He didn't even have the moral or cultural respect enough for Hip Hop to memorize his battle verses when he was paid a lot of money and had plenty of time to prepare. Instead, he insulted the audience who paid to be at the venue AND paid for a PPV stream by pulling out a notebook and stumbling through lyrics that were obviously subpar by his own standards.

 

[billy beane]

2013 has been a great year for hip hop. There's been a lot of interesting artists who have been pushing the genre into new territories, and it's exciting. I'm excited for hip hop, which is something I couldn't really say 5 years ago.

 

[HovaHovito]

You really ain't adding to the conversation so let my lame ass and this lame ass thread go on. Purge it from your un-lame mind.

How do you do that?

 

[cobragt4001]

You can say this for every form of media. The beauty of the technology we have now is that we have access to so much content we don't need it all to fulfill traditional roles.

I'm going to assume you don't play video games, watch movies, or watch TV either, because there is far more violence in those mediums.

I play games, watch movies, not much TV unless it's walking dead or breaking bad. But the topic here is music and I'll like to stay focused on that.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Any mention of Canibus brings me back to middle school. The guy was a hack. Move along...

 

[cobragt4001]

People feel emotions while they listen to music because they identify with the message. They connect with it because it echos ideas, feelings, or experiences they already have.

How many people have had their entire worldview changed by a single song? Not many, if any at all. The music isn't killing the minds of anyone. The same people who listen to a song and allow it to influence their thoughts are just as likely to be influenced by other media. If you're going to complain about what you think are negative impressions then the problem is how easily people are influenced regardless of what the actual message is. Because I can tell you right now, no matter what you think of Immortal Technique or Canibus "messages" there are people who think you just as much a fool for taking their music as gospel as a kid who starts sipping lean because his favorite rapper talks about it.

The solution isn't eliminating a type of music. The solution would be to encourage more people to educate themselves through verifiable sources rather than through entertainers.

And I could never take any quote seriously from Canibus. He didn't even have the moral or cultural respect enough for Hip Hop to memorize his battle verses when he was paid a lot of money and had plenty of time to prepare. Instead, he insulted the audience who paid to be at the venue AND paid for a PPV stream by pulling out a notebook and stumbling through lyrics that were obviously subpar by his own standards.

Insightful post, have my disagreements but this is one of the better post I've seen. But I will say the influence is very real, and not enough strong minded people exist and that's the sad reality.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I play games, watch movies, not much TV unless it's walking dead or breaking bad. But the topic here is music and I'll like to stay focused on that.

Why aren't you railing against the violence in games and movies? The biggest franchises on the planet are basically military simulators. What makes music so special that you feel main stream hip hop is the problem when every teenage boy on the planet comes home from school and shoots people online with AK47s?

 

[cobragt4001]

Why aren't you railing against the violence in games and movies? The biggest franchises on the planet are basically military simulators. What makes music so special that you feel main stream hip hop is the problem when every teenage boy on the planet comes home from school and shoots people online with AK47s?

Didn't want to go there, I did earlier but my beef really pretains black youth. I understand white kids are influenced by rap as well but for whites and others, it's merely a stage of their development while black kids carry that shit on their shoulders. I don't want to get in race too much but how many black kids do you see shooting up a school because of a videogame or movie? I know there have been school shootings involving black kids but usually it's on some dusty gang shit. And we know black gangs are influenced by music.

 

[Furyous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiESfBTN-u4

I'm a huge fan of immortal technique's music and I love how this brother shares his knowledge and uses music as a platform for positive mental growth. The state of hiphop, and music in general isn't an accident. I see people argue that stupidity sells but I disagree. The industry that controls music has the power to control what's popular and what isn't through advertising. We need music that isn't detrimental to the minds of the youth and I feel like inside of pointing fingers at so call artist like Lil Wayne or Rick Ross, they're employees like Burger King employees, we need to point fingers at the bosses of these so called artist. The video is a 30+ min lecture and it's worth the listen if you enjoy perspective and discussion. Man I'm glad I grew up in an era where at least there was a little skill in hiphop left because I feel bad for tomorrow's youth.

You need to specify what region you claim before saying hip-hop is all bullshit.

This post reads some golden age NY head mad his region isn't the center of the hip-hop universe anymore. Hip-hop is far more diverse now than it was at the start.

If you're mad at the lack of exposure on public radio then blame program directors like Ebro. Ebro said he plays music for people with jobs. We ain't trying to hear that rappity-rap shit at 2 PM. If you're mad at that then organize your friends and request that music be played. Set your phoke to automatically tune into the underground hip-hop show and aupport. Most importantly. BUY SUPPORT THE ARTISTS. Y'all old heads mad about hip-hop could bring your culture to spotlight if you support what's there. This issue's not about talent which I'll debunk in a minute, but about support. SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT SPIT THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO.

I can't let you shit on none of these new artists. Wayne been on since he was 12 so he's old school. Today's rap does take skill. You and I, can't reach an audience as big as Ross, Cudi, or MGK. Let's not sit here and lie to ourselves. Playboy Tre's rant on youtube touches on this and drives the point home that making it is difficult. People shit on Drake and use real hip-hop as a means to slander him. His first big record had that old school boom bap feel. I think you're confusing the fact that everyone has access to the tools that artists use to make music with today's artists lacking skill. This goes deeper than this eltist old school argument of they're wack because they don't rap, dress, have the regional sound that we did. It's really lazy in all honesty.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Didn't want to go there, I did earlier but my beef really pretains black youth. I understand white kids are influenced by rap as well but for whites and others, it's merely a stage of their development while black kids carry that shit on their shoulders. I don't want to get in race too much but how many black kids do you see shooting up a school because of a videogame or movie?

The issues facing black youth are a bit more complicated than exposure to violent music. Come on.

 

[Conciliator]

self-importance <> intelligence.

Also there's just a stupid variety of hip-hop and people making hip hop these days. You can get basically anything you want. So much great, weird, creative stuff out there. And also straightforward, throwback stuff and everything in between.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

hip hop is more varied and diverse than it has ever been.

Let's not act like NWA didn't exist in the 80s as well as other fundamental, "violent" and highly influential rap acts. Like PAC and Biggie weren't rapping about murder, fucking and riches in the 90s.


This thread is just some revisionist bs.

 

[cobragt4001]

You need to specify what region you claim before saying hip-hop is all bullshit.

This post reads some golden age NY head mad his region isn't the center of the hip-hop universe anymore. Hip-hop is far more diverse now than it was at the start.

If you're mad at the lack of exposure on public radio then blame program directors like Ebro. Ebro said he plays music for people with jobs. We ain't trying to hear that rappity-rap shit at 2 PM. If you're mad at that then organize your friends and request that music be played. Set your phoke to automatically tune into the underground hip-hop show and aupport. Most importantly. BUY SUPPORT THE ARTISTS. Y'all old heads mad about hip-hop could bring your culture to spotlight if you support what's there. This issue's not about talent which I'll debunk in a minute, but about support. SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT SPIT THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO.

I can't let you shit on none of these new artists. Wayne been on since he was 12 so he's old school. Today's rap does take skill. You and I, can't reach an audience as big as Ross, Cudi, or MGK. Let's not sit here and lie to ourselves. Playboy Tre's rant on youtube touches on this and drives the point home that making it is difficult. People shit on Drake and use real hip-hop as a means to slander him. His first big record had that old school boom bap feel. I think you're confusing the fact that everyone has access to the tools that artists use to make music with today's artists lacking skill. This goes deeper than this eltist old school argument of they're wack because they don't rap, dress, have the regional sound that we did. It's really lazy in all honesty.

Man your post shits on your avatar. Disappointed.

 

[cobragt4001]

The issues facing black youth are a bit more complicated than exposure to violent music. Come on.

True but music is one of the legs holding the disparity of black children.

 

[HovaHovito]

True but music is one of the legs holding the disparity of black children.

Ya the hip hop of yore needs to come back. We need some more NWA and Wu Tang to teach kids to respect women and uphold the law

 

[cobragt4001]

Ya the hip hop of yore needs to come back. We need some more NWA and Wu Tang to teach kids to respect women and uphold the law

And I ask you, had police brutality never existed do you think NWA would exist? And also I'm of the opinion NWA was the beginning of the end of concious rap because they brought in gangsta bull shit about killing another brother.

 

[HovaHovito]

And I ask you, had police brutality never existed do you think NWA would exist? And also I'm of the opinion NWA was the beginning of the end of concious rap because they brought in gangsta bull shit about killing another brother.

Thats a mighty big hypothetical with no relevance really

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

And I ask you, had police brutality never existed do you think NWA would exist? And also I'm of the opinion NWA was the beginning of the end of concious rap because they brought in gangsta bull shit about killing another brother.

hip hop just ain't been the same since you were 2.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

He taught me not to rape people cause that people might be my mum so thank you Immortal you smart boy.

 

[Rpgmonkey]

And you clearly have never seen of the hiphop thread I've made or even read what I have said so far. I am not here looking for artist to listen to, I have plenty of tags but what I am doing is discussing the disparity of hiphop. Again, no one has argued my point that this shit music is detrimental to the youth and even grown ass people.

The problem is that you're not really saying anything people haven't already acknowledged and discussed a while ago.

Your problem seems to be that the people whose primary focus is intelligence and positive thought or something like that aren't at the forefront of hip-hop when they should be instead of lil Wayne or whoever. That's not a bad desire to have I guess (it's not something I'm interested in seeing, to be honest), but not every artist has interests that lie solely in that direction, evidently most people don't have any interest in that (or at least they aren't interested in an artist who doesn't really talk about much else but that), and most popular genres in general don't really put artists like that at the forefront, at least partially due to the last two reasons. That's ignoring that the depth and positivity of the subject matter rappers choose to cover has been something brought up for decades (and as far as I know and remember even other genres suffer from people calling it poison to the minds of youth).

There's nothing to argue that hasn't been said many times before so instead people choose to show you how hip hop today covers a wide range of subjects from the underground people grindin to the most mainstream artists at the top, and you'll find stupid crap from the underground artists and introspective/positive/intelligent stuff from the more mainstream ones. Not all "intelligent" music is palatable or well-suited to the many situations people like to listen to music in, which is going to stop a lot of it from being the most popular stuff, but if someone's craving something "smarter" it's not really that hard to find anymore. I'm not really sure what you're looking for other than for society to reform the industry and art in order to push "intellectual" artists to the top and "bullshit" artists to the bottom, which is silly and bound to get a lot of criticism (as you've gotten in this thread).

Trying to force a widespread change in music to alter minds is odd and unlikely, if you're trying to change towards stuff that probably isn't catchy or exciting, anyway. At least when people have a better understanding of who they are and who that want to (or maybe should) become it tends to lead to music that's greater in quality and variety, and sometimes causes more natural, progressive, and accepted changes in society. And though you deflected away from this when people brought it up, I would say that modern hip hop does have a greater (and probably growing) presence of rappers that fall under that category and are more willing to mold the persona and the actual person into one. Sometimes it gets muddied up in "balla lifestyle" stuff or some other subjects that people get way too caught up in and may actually end up stifling their productivity, ingenuity, and creativity, but I think hip hop is in a good position today at providing a good variety of music and convincing people to be more self-aware, creative, and cooperative, even if you don't like their methods compared to Immortal Technique or Canibus or whoever you like.

 

[freenudemacusers]

He taught me not to rape people cause that people might be my mum so thank you Immortal you smart boy.

rap genius with dat insight:

 

[one_kill]

He taught me not to rape people cause that people might be my mum so thank you Immortal you smart boy.

Yes, very insightful and meaningful

 

[cobragt4001]

The problem is that you're not really saying anything people haven't already acknowledged and discussed a while ago.

Your problem seems to be that the people whose primary focus is intelligence and positive thought or something like that aren't at the forefront of hip-hop when they should be instead of lil Wayne or whoever. That's not a bad desire to have I guess (it's not something I'm interested in seeing, to be honest), but not every artist has interests that lie solely in that direction, evidently most people don't have any interest in that (or at least they aren't interested in an artist who doesn't really talk about much else but that), and most popular genres in general don't really put artists like that at the forefront, at least partially due to the last two reasons. That's ignoring that the depth and positivity of the subject matter rappers choose to cover has been something brought up for decades (and as far as I know and remember even other genres suffer from people calling it poison to the minds of youth).

There's nothing to argue that hasn't been said many times before so instead people choose to show you how hip hop today covers a wide range of subjects from the underground people grindin to the most mainstream artists at the top, and you'll find stupid crap from the underground artists and introspective/positive/intelligent stuff from the more mainstream ones. Not all "intelligent" music is palatable or well-suited to the many situations people like to listen to music in, which is going to stop a lot of it from being the most popular stuff, but if someone's craving something "smarter" it's not really that hard to find anymore. I'm not really sure what you're looking for other than for society to reform the industry and art in order to push "intellectual" artists to the top and "bullshit" artists to the bottom, which is silly and bound to get a lot of criticism (as you've gotten in this thread).

Trying to force a widespread change in music to alter minds is odd and unlikely, if you're trying to change towards stuff that probably isn't catchy or exciting, anyway. At least when people have a better understanding of who they are and who that want to (or maybe should) become it tends to lead to music that's greater in quality and variety, and sometimes causes more natural, progressive, and accepted changes in society. And though you deflected away from this when people brought it up, I would say that modern hip hop does have a greater (and probably growing) presence of rappers that fall under that category and are more willing to mold the persona and the actual person into one. Sometimes it gets muddied up in "balla lifestyle" stuff or some other subjects that people get way too caught up in and may actually end up stifling their productivity, ingenuity, and creativity, but I think hip hop is in a good position today at providing a good variety of music and convincing people to be more self-aware, creative, and cooperative, even if you don't like their methods compared to Immortal Technique or Canibus or whoever you like.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+influences+of+hiphop&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a#q=hip+hop+influence+on+youth&revid=1764847624&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/08/black-celebrities/cee-lo-hip-hop-is-being-used-in-some-mass-way-to-influence-underachievement/
Great read.

Everything sounds good that you typed out but it just don't mesh with reality. What's creative or not is subjective and we all have our opinions and I feel like rappers in the mainstream are subpar at best. Lamar can be a great rapper some day but he does not impress me at all. I agree that in this day and time that there are a lot of aspects of hiphop for people to enjoy but the masses know jack shit about it. I have many friends and family that enjoy mainstream hiphop and I can tell you with confidence that they won't be searching for various forms of hiphop. People are lazy when it comes to their lives and what they believe, be it religion or political people usually stick with one thing so while we do have great artist out there, they won't be seen as much as they deserve. I don't believe good creative hiphop couldn't sell like some believe, I believe if certain people were exposed to say a K rino, they would like him. We can discuss the technicalities of the business of hiphop and progression all day, but in the present now hiphop isn't adding shit to the community in which it came from. Lets talk reality here and see what goes on in the streets. There are children no fucking older than 7 saying "imma get dat money." So yes, the hiphop genre needs a overhaul and this get money mentality needs to die.

 

[HovaHovito]

He taught me not to rape people cause that people might be my mum so thank you Immortal you smart boy.

Life changing and revolutionary shit tbh
This is way intelligence in hiphop