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ShadowRed

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Respect for this man = off the charts.






Wild chase, gunfire turns fatal: Cops: Dad mows down robbery suspect with SUV


TRYMAINE D. LEE, Staff Writer
11/23/2004

TRENTON -- When armed robbers jammed a gun into his face and threatened to rape his two daughters, something snapped, Trenton resident Bob O’Neal said yesterday.

"I just couldn’t take it anymore," O’Neal said. "He put a gun in my face and threatened to rape my kids. I’m not having that."

According to police, O’Neal jumped into his SUV and chased his attackers after they confronted him in front of his Hiltonia home Sunday night and stole about $1,500 in cash.

The chase ended minutes later, on Route 29, after O’Neal allegedly ran over one suspect who fired at him, leaving him dead at the scene.

"I wasn’t trying to kill anybody... I just wanted to get the tag number on the car," a visibly-shaken O’Neal said. "But they intended to kill me," he added.

Police said the bizarre robbery turned fatality began in front of O’Neal’s Cornwall Avenue home around 9 p.m. Sunday.

O’Neal, who is currently undergoing chemotherapy for a liver disorder, said he had returned home from an outing with his two daughters, ages 16 and 17, when he saw an old white Chrysler station wagon pull up and park a few doors down from his home.

Police said the 54-year-old single father of three escorted his daughters into the house and returned to lock up his Dodge Durango a few minutes later.

That’s when he was confronted by the group of guys in the white station wagon.

O’Neal said the now dead gunman hopped out and shoved a gun in his face, demanding money.

Police said he and his bunch made off with $1,500 and assorted credit cards.

O’Neal got in his Dodge Durango and trailed the four suspects along Route 29, eventually ramming his truck into the rear of their car.

Sgt. Pedro Medina said O’Neal rammed into the suspects car a second time, at which point the alleged gunman, a Hispanic male, fired two shots from the rear of the car.

Then the suspects hopped the curb and drove onto the median, with O’Neal on their tail, jumping the curb as well.

"They went into the grassy part and at which time they fired again," Medina said.

Three suspects hopped out and ran, while the fourth stayed, fired a few more shots, police said.

O’Neal said as the gunman fired those two last shots, he ducked under the steering wheel, and everything after that is kind of a blur.

Seconds later the gunman was dead, his body shorn in half, allegedly by O’Neal’s SUV.

Police said O’Neal made the gruesome discovery after he exited his truck to retrieve his truck’s bumper, which had fallen off during the incident.

"I looked down and saw half of him," O’Neal said when asked if he knew the man was dead.

Half the suspect’s body lay in a ditch off Route 29 southbound near Sanhican Drive, the rest of him was allegedly ripped from his torso, witnesses said yesterday.

Police arrived later and found the dead suspect. Medina said a silver .25-caliber handgun was recovered from the scene.

They later arrested two suspects, while the fourth suspect remained at large yesterday.

Kyle Gibson, a 19-year-old white male; and a 15-year-old black juvenile, both of Trenton, were in police custody last night.

Medina said the pair are charged with armed robbery, weapons offenses and possibly a felony murder charge in connection with their cohort’s death.

Gibson and the juvenile were arrested when Gibson called police sometime later and reported that his car, the one used during the robbery and abandoned at the scene of the killing, had been stolen.

Detectives used information from Gibson’s conversation with police to track him down and connect him and the 15-year-old to the crime, Medina said.

A third suspect, described as a 6-foot-1-inch black male, possibly nicknamed "Black," escaped capture and remained on the run last night.

While disturbed by the horrific episode, O’Neal said yesterday he did what he had to do to protect his family and others.

"I just couldn’t let this (type of robbery) happen to anyone else," he said tearfully. "Most people would run, but I just don’t have it in me to run... I had to protect my two girls and, I thought they were going to come back to hurt them..."

Yesterday evening as neighbors, curious about the fuss, walked past his home, O’Neal said he believed thieves consider Hiltonia residents to be easy targets.

"But I wasn’t scared for a second," he said.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Justified or not O'Neal has to be charged... what he should have done is trailed them and got their license # instead of ramming them... I wonder if he had a cell phone... he could have called it in while he was trailing them.

I'm of mixed feelings on this one.
 
This guy does deserve a medal for his heroics. That's some real-life Die Hard shit.

That crook got exactly what was coming to him. Justice has been served.

I just hope the cops don't try to charge this guy for going vigilante on the crooks. He did the right thing by protecting his family, possibly at the expense of his life, and should be commended.

He acted in self defense against thses guys, and it's a shame when we live in a society where heroics like this can be mistaken as a criminal action.

Bravo Mr. O'neal. I would have done the same thing as well.
 

Goreomedy

Console Market Analyst
He ducked under the wheel and "everything after that" was a blur? Bullshit.

He would not have left his truck to retrieve his bumper unless he knew the shooter was taken out.

This guy should just be honest. He got angry, put himself into further danger, and killed the man that threatened his family. I don't see a jury siding with the thieves on this one, but it was vigilante justice.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
DarienA said:
Justified or not O'Neal has to be charged... what he should have done is trailed them and got their license # instead of ramming them... I wonder if he had a cell phone... he could have called it in while he was trailing them.

I'm of mixed feelings on this one.




BULLFUCKINGSHIT!!!!! Read the story again. The guys shoved a gun in his face and said they would rape his daughters. The reason I posted this was because of the rape threat. That struck a nerve with me. That goes above and beyond the call when you threaten to rape someone’s kid in front of him. When I read this I was like all bets are off and he (O’Neil) was justified in doing what ever he had too including chasing these fuckers down and introducing them to his front licenses plate. Too bad he didn't get the 3rd.
 

Bob White

Member
He does deserves a medal. I hope to be able to do just what this guy did if someone ever threatens my family like that.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
ShadowRed said:
BULLFUCKINGSHIT!!!!! Read the story again. the guys shoved a gun in his face and said they would rape his daughters. The reason I posted this was because of the rape threat. That struck a nerve with me. That goes above and beyond the call when you threaten to rape someones kid in front of him. When I read this I was like all bets are off and he (O'neil) was justified in doing what ever he had too including chasing these fuckers down and introducing them to his front lisences plate. Too bad he didn't get the 3rd.

Wrong. Legally he has to be charged he broke the law. This has nothing to do with feeling for him. Hell I have a new daughter and I know I'd do my best to kill someone who threatened her... but I also know that I would at least probably be charged for doing it, but I wouldn't care, as he probably didn't.

By chasing these fools and then ramming them which caused one to start shooting he then put other drivers on the road and possibly people walking around at risk as well.

The above is my answer from my mind.

My answer from my heart is kill those fuckers.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Good for him, and fuck the dead guy.

That said, if the father had been shot during the chase...his daughters would be in terrible shape. Something to think about before charging off.
 

Goreomedy

Console Market Analyst
bishoptl said:
That said, if the father had been shot during the chase...his daughters would be in terrible shape. Something to think about before charging off.

That was the first thing that crossed my mind. But maybe since he's fighting cancer, he's already planned their futures in case he's not around...
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
Outcast2004 said:
That crook got exactly what was coming to him. Justice has been served.

Nah, the crook didn't deserve to be killed for his crime. $1500 and some worthless credit cards that the guy would have cancelled within minutes? Yeah, the guy threatened him and deserved to be put in jail for armed robbery, but he DIDN'T rape the guy's daughters, he DIDN'T fire the gun -- he and his buddies took the cash and LEFT.

O'Neal put himself and others in danger by his reckless driving -- what if in the chase he or the car he was chasing crashed into a car full of kids? Or skidded through a bus stop filled with people?

Get the license plate? Sure, that's fine. But O'Neal's actions were dangerous -- and he only acted in "self defense" because he put himself in that position to begin with. Remember, the robbery was OVER, and O'Neal decided to go after the crooks. And they didn't start shooting at him until O'Neal rammed into their car.

No, O'Neal needs to be charged in this case. He'll probably either be acquitted or end up doing community service rather than jail time, but what he did was WRONG.
 

Bob White

Member
Legally he has to be charged he broke the law.

Fuck that, man. Everyone in their right mind knows what this guy did was okay. The law should be thrown out in a situation like this.

"I'm going to come back and rape your daughters." = Deserved to be split in half on the fucking road.
 

ge-man

Member
Goreomedy said:
He ducked under the wheel and "everything after that" was a blur? Bullshit.

He would not have left his truck to retrieve his bumper unless he knew the shooter was taken out.

This guy should just be honest. He got angry, put himself into further danger, and killed the man that threatened his family. I don't see a jury siding with the thieves on this one, but it was vigilante justice.

IAWTP.

I mean, emphazie with the man and all, but this was cold blooded/pre-meditated. Self defense is one thing, but he clearly crossed the line the moment he decided to tag these bastards. He shouldn't be praised for his actions.
 

Escape Goat

Member
The guy was a dumbass and should be charged. How many people did he endanger by going after them? Good going guy, now your daughters can say their daddy killed someone.
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
quadriplegicjon said:
yes he did.

But not during the robbery. He only fired the gun after O'Neal rammed their car. Heck, the ROBBERS could claim self-defense. Robbery is NOT punishable by death!
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Bob White said:
Fuck that, man. Everyone in their right mind knows what this guy did was okay. The law should be thrown out in a situation like this.

"I'm going to come back and rape your daughters." = Deserved to be split in half on the fucking road.

So we're condoning vigilante justice now? (I hate to use this next sentence). WTF are the police for then?
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
wait wait, we're missing the good part of this story. Score another victory for the felony murder rule.

Darien is right though, especially about public endangerment. He won't get thrown in jail, but he has to be charged and would likely get a suspended sentence.
 

karasu

Member
Yeah that was pretty stupid, and obviously illegal. His poor choice of a move will probably cost his daughters their father. He should have jotted down the license plate number and called the fuzz. He only compunded his problems by going about it the way he did. Respect? Nah. I'd respect him if he went about it intelligently and understood at least a little something about the law. If he thrashed the guy in self defense when the incident originally happened, that would be cool. As it stands now, he murdered a guy who disrespected him. To say it was ok this time, would be to say that it's always ok, and that only invites chaos.
 

Bob White

Member
So we're condoning vigilante justice now? (I hate to use this next sentence). WTF are the police for then?
Batman does it....
anyway...

One day while at a stop light, a robber came over to my dad's car and put a gun to his head. Threated to kill us both unless he gave him money. I was only about seven and scared as shit. My dad quickly hit the gas and we got away.

After it was over, I realized the dude who tried to rob my dad probably wasnt going to kill us. He was probably just some young punk looking for a little money. I can see that. But when a gun is in your face, YOU TAKE SHIT SERIOUSLY.

I know I did. And so did O'Neal.

When he heard the rape shit he just lost it. He had right to.

Robbers are dangerous people. They deserve to die if they cross the line.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Of course, I could observe that maybe running around shoving guns in faces, while threatening to rape children, MIGHT BE A TEENY BIT DANGEROUS, and just maybe, could result in something like getting your ass killed dead in return. The law is an arbitrary set of rules laid down to control and reassure society as much as serve any idea of "justice". The law comes in after the fact - after the harsh realities of life play themselves out.

"Robbery doesn't deserve death" - by what standards? And under what circumstances? Let's say a somebody who is "only" a robber robs a person or people, but also terrorizes and enrages them, he has to face the possible consequences of dealing with human beings. Cases like this are where something abstract like "the law" actually keeps people from facing the true potential consequences of their actions.

In my ethics, it is very simple - if you're good to people, you deserve good in return. If you fuck with people, you sign away your waver to safety and happiness and continued health. You pay your money, you take your chances. All the legal debate and ethical wrangling that happens after the dust settles doesn't change that.

In the psychology of crime, I suspect there are a lot of people who readily perform X crime because they don't really fear the punishment, or don't feel the prospective consequences outweigh the high of performing the act.
 

tt_deeb

Member
SteveMeister said:
But not during the robbery. He only fired the gun after O'Neal rammed their car. Heck, the ROBBERS could claim self-defense. Robbery is NOT punishable by death!


Was it after he rammed the car? I thought he initially followed them just to tag the license plate.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
tt_deeb said:
Was it after he rammed the car? I thought he initially followed them just to tag the license plate.


O’Neal got in his Dodge Durango and trailed the four suspects along Route 29, eventually ramming his truck into the rear of their car.

Sgt. Pedro Medina said O’Neal rammed into the suspects car a second time, at which point the alleged gunman, a Hispanic male, fired two shots from the rear of the car.

That difference would have mad a huge, uh... difference.
 

sonicfan

Venerable Member
The driver O'Neil:

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One of the suspects:

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Manics

Banned
Yes he deserves a medal alright -- for stupidity. A few more of these clowns running around and it's Bernie Goetz all over again.
 

ChrisReid

Member
DarienA said:
Wrong. Legally he has to be charged he broke the law. This has nothing to do with feeling for him. Hell I have a new daughter and I know I'd do my best to kill someone who threatened her... but I also know that I would at least probably be charged for doing it, but I wouldn't care, as he probably didn't.

But if it looks like a judge/jury will side with him and let him off, it's just a waste of tax money to go through the motions of charging him. Don't throw common sense out to stick to the technicalities of the law.
 

karasu

Member
In my ethics, it is very simple - if you're good to people, you deserve good in return. If you fuck with people, you sign away your waver to safety and happiness and continued health. You pay your money, you take your chances. All the legal debate and ethical wrangling that happens after the dust settles doesn't change that.

It doesn't change it, but you know. There is life after those heated moments subside, and what laws you break during those moments may determine how you spend the rest of your life. Those robbers probably did deserve death, that isn't even the issue in my opinion. The problem IMO is that a vengeance seeking madman in an SUV has no right to carry out that vengeance on public roads. Slamming into cars and splitting bodies in half? That's crazy man. I wouldn't want to be in the same lane as this guy. He didn't even snap either. By his own words he wasn't afraid for a second.
 

ChrisReid

Member
karasu said:
He didn't even snap either. By his own words he wasn't afraid for a second.

When armed robbers jammed a gun into his face and threatened to rape his two daughters, something snapped, Trenton resident Bob O’Neal said yesterday.

I read that as he wasn't afraid *because* he snapped.
 
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Deleted member 1235

Unconfirmed Member
haha punk kids, don't fuck with grown ups.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
ChrisReid said:
But if it looks like a judge/jury will side with him and let him off, it's just a waste of tax money to go through the motions of charging him. Don't throw common sense out to stick to the technicalities of the law.

Exactly.
 

open_mouth_

insert_foot_
If this dude busted out a machine gun and mowed those 4 fuckers down after what they did, I wouldn't hold it against him.
 

shuri

Banned
hum. I'm usually all for vigilante justice, but this is different.

The thugs took the money, went away without a single shot fired, except for a few threats. Then the guy chased them, and rammed his car into them. For some reason "everything is a blur" and I guess one of them feel out of the windows as he was shooting at the guy and got run over by the suv.

The guy isnt a hero. And another thing, the car was probably stolen, so the license plate. But if the thugs actually followed thru and tried to rape his daughters, and somehow the father managed to escape and apply aluminium justice to their skulls, it would have been a whole different thing.

But he actually chased them, got into a firefight/car chase, and killed one. Eeh, I dunno. I'm not siding with the thugs here, but Daddy went a bit over the top here. Also, killing some possible gang member might make life a bit more dangerous for his daughter since his friends might not approved of their's buddy death. But thats a bit far-streched.

If I was him, I wouldnt feel like a hero because I cut a guy in two with my car because I wanted to get back my 1500$ + credits cards. There was no actual physical violence in the theft. Theres is nothing glorious into killing someone if no harm to you or your family was done.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
ChrisReid said:
But if it looks like a judge/jury will side with him and let him off, it's just a waste of tax money to go through the motions of charging him. Don't throw common sense out to stick to the technicalities of the law.

Well, I did not mean to imply that I thought he'd be "let off." Just that he would not serve jail time. Even if I thought he'd get off, that's not how we decide to use our courts. "Sticking to the technicalities of the law" is not something you throw away to merely save money.
 
As much as what he did may have been justified, he still broke the law. He needs to be charged. I don't care if we're sticking to technicalities, a system is a system.
 

etiolate

Banned
The law will likely make some case of it, but no jury will convict him. Unless it was GAF, where I guess the law matters more than the heart?
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
Bob White said:
Fuck that, man. Everyone in their right mind knows what this guy did was okay. The law should be thrown out in a situation like this.

Um. No, he should be convicted of murder, because that's what he did. If it makes you feel any better, the thieves should be convicted for their crimes as well, and the jury might feel a little sorry for him while they find him guilty.

If he doesn't get at least jail time for this, there's something wrong with the US justice system.
 

Triumph

Banned
iapetus said:
Um. No, he should be convicted of murder, because that's what he did. If it makes you feel any better, the thieves should be convicted for their crimes as well, and the jury might feel a little sorry for him while they find him guilty.

If he doesn't get at least jail time for this, there's something wrong with the US justice system.
Let me help you out. There is a METRIC SHIT TON wrong with the United States Justice system. This guy walking wouldn't even be in the top 500.

According to US law anyhow, murder must be premeditated. I highly doubt that anyone is going to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to harm or kill the thieves. And even if he did, show me the justice in this man doing hard time and Kenneth Lay, a man that ruined the lives of thousands of people and one of the most unethical business men of the past 50 years(and that's saying something) walking around free? If there were "Justice" in my country, Kenneth Lay would be covered alive in molten gold, and the resulting statue/mess would be put in front of the New York Stock Exchange as a warning to others. That would be "Justice".
 
etiolate said:
The law will likely make some case of it, but no jury will convict him. Unless it was GAF, where I guess the law matters more than the heart?

Law>Heart.

To play devil's advocate here, what if the robber killed was needing the money he robbed from Mr. O'neal for his sick mother who was near death and in need of the money for some wondrous medical operation. Was his robbery and threats to Mr. O'neal justified? No. But it was certainly for a noble cause.

There would have been a better way for the robber to deal with the need for money, just like there was a better and legal way for Mr. O'neal to deal with this, one being to call the cops while tailing them.

You see how things like "heart" and "emotion" can muddy up matters?
 
Ok think about this. What if he didn't do what he did and a day later the guys ended up killing innocent people in a botched robbery? This man did something few people would. He did something. If he is charged with anything the last shred of respect for the justice system will be destroyed.
 
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