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Bacon said:
fe·male (fml)
adj.
Of, relating to, or denoting the sex that produces ova or bears young.
n.
1. A member of the sex that produces ova or bears young.
2. A woman or girl.
Also, you're an idiot. Its not our fault she's a "loser nutjob." She's the one that brought that to the table. Where our fault lies is in creating an inhospitable environment for girls. Just because you say "well, every other forum on the internet is the same way" doesn't justify our own treatment of women. Why not make GAF a friendly place for them? Then they can post here and not have to go to one of those other "internet message board."
are you done or not? look, the issue here is that gender roles have to be factored into all judgement calls. if you're being told by some dominant cultural voice to "look pretty for me" your entire life, then superficiality is not dumb, it's your role, it's your place, you are more successful socially, filling more of the social contract if you consider it to be the pentultimate in thought. your cultural perspective as a male in such and such environment is simply not going to be the same as a female's in the same environment. so if you analogize yourself in the female's place, of course you're going to react differently, and it's not necessary that the female behave similarly to you (this is again the marginalization of the dominant voice: "look pretty for me. oh look i am concerned with such deep things, why can't you be equally deep? you are so dumb")AstroLad said:
Mike Works said:
There are two definitions of understandable to me. The understandable where the average joe would end up going down that road, and could be forgiven and the understandable where you can see how it happened, what went into the outcome, but don't think it was right or ok - that's what applies here. It doesn't mean I agree.
So I agree with several of your points. It was wrong and it was concerning. But I don't think women should ever *have* to mask their gender. It's probably the wise thing to do in some places and times, but it shouldn't be required (or highly expected) in any way in order to fit in.
ScientificNinja
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Mike Works said:
I think you're oversimplifying things. I don't think what she did is right or normal, but it's very easy to see how a person could be driven by the people on this forum to creating a new and desirable persona, and then using some very convenient pics to bolster that persona. It's not such a stretch.
Fair enough, then. She's a kookMike Works said:
Again, not defending her, but I often think the climate on this board is just as appalling. Interesting that few people on the board want to acknowledge this.Mike Works said:
Belfast said:
I have seen few people here treat women badly, or in a hostile way. This place is just a lot of people being themselves. What exactly is done here that could be considered mean towards a girl? Threads dedicated to posting pictures of girls that are pretty? THAT'S THE WAY GUYS ARE. This place is hardly "inhospitable" for females to post at.
People expecting to get a lot of girls posting at a message board that is dedicated to video games (a hobby dominated by males} are fucking retarded.
ScientificNinja
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Bacon said:
All of a sudden, the the level of surprise that's been expressed towards Boogie having a girlfriend doesn't seem all that hard to understand anymore... :lol
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john tv said:
and then the thread jumped the shark
has someone posted a pic of the real being in question yet?
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ScientificNinja said:
Quite a few people on this forum *are* kooky. That's why I don't understand why someone like Sara, who basically stole someone else's identity, gets special treatment.
jinx, we've seen eye to eye on a lot of issues but this is one were I couldn't disagree more. Obviously I was never buddy-buddy with Sara but then again, I really didn't think of her as some mortal enemy like Sara pretended I was. In any case, you obviously valued her (or his?) presences and considered her a friend. If our positions were reversed, I would be pissed, *PISSED* that someone I considered a friend, someone who's voice I valued offline or online, turned out to be a total fraud. It's a betrayal of trust. In the end, you valued their presence but they didn't value yours enough to tell you the truth, to be truthful about who they were.
It's also completely unfair to blame the collective GAF for her deception. This was her lie. It was her betrayal and you're laying the blame on everyone else. She decided from the very beginning and before making her first post, to take a stranger's identity and make it her own. Contrary to what you say or may believe, there probably are more female posters who post here. Just because they don't do cartwheels and say, "Look! Look! I have a vagina!" doesn't mean they're not here or don't post. The internet is a unique platform where people can be as anonymous as they want to be. She choose to make her gender and her image known, or I should say, she chose to steal someone's identity and make it her own and with that image, made friends and enemies. She didn't have to do this. She *decided* to do this. No one else went to that website and picked an identity for her. So please don't remove the blame from her. Obviously Camilla feels victimized by her and really, she is the true victim. You don't need to pretend like its everyone's fault but Sara.
And jinx, how many times has someone said something or actions were taken that made you say those words, "Maybe I shouldn't be here anymore"? How many times have I publicly and privately talked to you about that, how it shouldn't bother you as much as it does?. I'm not going to do that anymore. I'll just say this plainly, if the things that are said; if the things that are done on this forum bother you that much, leave. I'm not going to be selfish enough to convince you to stay for my benefit or anyone elses. Obviously things you see bother you more than they do me and other people. I've asked you, told you that you shouldn't let them bother you but they still do. For your own sake, leave then. This forum hasn't changed since the last time we talked about it and it's not going to in the future. It'll be the same old GAF as always.
Bacon said:
The vocal minority that give GAF a bad reputation are not just posting pictures of pretty girls. It's other things, but you'll probably hear and understand it best coming from another guy. Simply put, there are vocal posters on GAF that demean women with their tales of them, jokes about them, views on them, comments, advice etc. Somehow you've managed to miss them, which really surprises me because it's pretty visible.
And if you want to get overly PC and technical, posting pictures of pretty girls can legally be considered creating a hostile environment, especially in the professional world. Though I personally think it's a stretch to extend that to all areas of life. I mean some guys need an outlet, and they deserve their chance to look at and share pictures.
Fifty said:
Because she could be a girl that has a mental problem with her self-image? For all we know she could also be really hot, but just have a condition where she does not feel comfortable with herself. Just because someone lies about their looks doesn't mean they're ugly or a man or something like that, it could mean that they simply do not *think* that they look good or feel worthy of portraying their true self.
My point was just that a lot of people would rather have this place as a "like it or leave it" boys club, rather than a multi-gendered, politically correct wonderland where people censor themselves. There's also the disruptive clithanger factor, and the slightly less disruptive attention-whore syndrome that make me wary of the idea of females on gaming boards.
As for why someone would want to prove their gender so badly...? You will have to ask Lemurs and Be-Ah-Hui. I'm not interested in forcing them to post pictures, just pointing out that it's difficult to properly verify anyone's identity here.
Not to pry, but if you would spend all day discussing gaming, why are you never in any gaming threads? Seems like you only show up for the occaisional intergender discussion and Scrubs thread. Gaming Forum is where you are far less likely to run into discourse that's distasteful to you...
Have you not met GA's #1 misogynist, Tazznum?
Azala said:
So, jokes and bad advice..? Um, get over it. If any of those girls looking for a place to post ever get outside they're going to find the same exact thing in their everyday life.
Azala said:
That doesn't really make sense when you consider no one here posts as a profession...
Also, using words like "legally" while trying to say working a job and posting at GAF are kind of like the same thing would be kind of stupid. Kind of really stupid.
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i just watched a video of serafi...someone giving a carrot a blowjob. I really like the internet.
border said:
I'll give you the attention whore female thing, but I think that's just a personality flaw and equally present in both genders. It just sticks out more for women at GAF because well, the immatures here eat it up like candy and draw more attention to it, and by their nature of females being more rare it stands out more. And some censorship wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't want to see pictures of people's hairy asses (just an example), nor hear some really racially innappropriate comments.
If I had the time to play more games I'd probably be more active over on the gaming side, for now I get what I need just reading the appropriate gaming threads and discussing gaming topics outside GAF. Right now I don't even have a gaming system, the ex took it. My PC plays games just fine fortunately, when I do get a few moments to play and the finances to buy the game. Back when I had money and time I would have posted quite a bit, but I hadn't met GAF yet and when I finally did I was far too intimidated by some of the stuff to post for quite a long time. I do have limited posting time as it is, and only certain topics catch my interest, or get me riled up enough. Exact reasons beyond that are a little personal, though I will confess my current gaming interest is Sims 2 (mainly because it's the one game I can play at the times I have for gaming) and the reason I don't post about that should be obvious. :lol
I'll miss sera's comic posts. I liked teasing her about Batman (plus it was thanks to her and some of the other Batman fans here that I finally got dark knight returns) but that was really all I ever read by her. Well, that and that she was obsessed with Hideo Kojima games. Everybody has their fair share of problems, but I'm not going to say what she did was right. It's just probably more understandable if we got a real explanation from her.
Regarding how hospitable this place is to women: Yeah, I'd agree that this forum isn't exactly a friendly environment for women. I have an idea of some things that could be done to change this, but it pretty much amounts to banning decidedly misogynistic posters (some of whom are funny personalities to the majority of people) and girl picture threads. I don't think doing both of those things would be altogether popular, plus I really doubt any rules like that would be enforced for long.
Anyway, despite all this talk about how this isn't an environment that's going to attract a lot of women, the few that register and post and aren't attention whores about being female are interesting people, and it has little to do with their gender.
Regarding how hospitable this place is to women: Yeah, I'd agree that this forum isn't exactly a friendly environment for women. I have an idea of some things that could be done to change this, but it pretty much amounts to banning decidedly misogynistic posters (some of whom are funny personalities to the majority of people) and girl picture threads. I don't think doing both of those things would be altogether popular, plus I really doubt any rules like that would be enforced for long.
Anyway, despite all this talk about how this isn't an environment that's going to attract a lot of women, the few that register and post and aren't attention whores about being female are interesting people, and it has little to do with their gender.
Bacon said:
Actually, most guys aren't quite that blatant in real life, though I've been subject to plenty of sexual harassment on the job before. You'd never tell the girl you were trying to lure into a one night stand or fuck buddy relationship exactly what gets stated on GAF. You'd never get past hello.
[edit] And I can do a good job of avoiding those men. The ones that are stupid enough to be obvious about it never get into my social circle. I'm aware those jerks are out there, I just choose not to have them in my life. Which is the point many people are trying to make about why some girls might avoid GAF. The vocal few are ruining it for all of you, as is the fact that they get so readily accepted.
That's true, but what you and most everyone else are missing is the fact that we demean everything for the sake of a little forum humor. I don't see the problem there. If it was just normal gaming talk and derogatory threads about women, you guys might have a point. As it stands, you don't.Azala said:
Perhaps we, as a forum, should lighten up on the mean-spirited jokes, but that's a totally different story.
Edit: What I mean is, anything else for women would be special treatment, and I feel pretty sure neither "side" wants that. We don't want to change our sense of humour and I'm sure girls on the (male side of the) internet don't want to feel more like outsiders than they already do.
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I think you're drawing these distinctions quite needlessly. Part of the idea behind a PC work environment is to make it as accommodating as possible for everyone so as to avoid antagonism. It just saves everyone a world of trouble. So, when we're talking about how welcome women feel in a forum like this, I don't think it matters whether this forum is being used for work or not.Bacon said:
In fact, I'm sitting in my office right now and I'm meant to be writing up planning sheets...
Bacon said:
No, I'm not.
"Though I personally think it's a stretch to extend that to all areas of life. I mean some guys need an outlet, and they deserve their chance to look at and share pictures"
I was merely responding to your statement that pictures couldn't be considered hostile, because they can in certain environments. And if GAF was a business then they'd do well to limit those sort of activities. But GAF is not, so it's not realistic. However, if GAF was really serious about welcoming female gamers, of which there are quite a large number, the tone of those threads and their sheer amount would probably be reduced. As it is, I just ignore them unless I'm in a mood to see what/who is considered hot nowadays. But for me, it's barely about the picture threads at all.
Ok, why are some of you saying "stop making your gender an issue" when you really mean "shut up and pretend to be among the majority". Posters on this forum strut their heterosexual maleness ALL THE TIME, from Drinky Crow's innuendo to the demand for semi-erotic images. Gays aren't being told to hide who they are, and I will not condone women being told to do the same.
Furthermore, GA isn't a matchmaking forum. The whole "OMG you're a gurl. PICZ" business needs to stop, and it shouldn't be encouraged. There are other channels for that.
Furthermore, GA isn't a matchmaking forum. The whole "OMG you're a gurl. PICZ" business needs to stop, and it shouldn't be encouraged. There are other channels for that.
Kabuki Waq
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-jinx- said:
Oh Get off your high horse man
This situation is more funny than sad. Dont go blaming people on the forum because a fucked up girl(?) does fucked up things. If a person cares this much about what random Internet posters think of them.... well then they are fucked up to begin with. It really is that simple.
Sera could just sign up under a new name and no one would give a shit tommrow. This Board is 90% male so that means obviously there will be threads where people post pictures of girls and comment rudely about them. Whats worse is that unlike your 35 year old ass many of the people on this board are Teenagers or in their early 20s so they obviously are acting their age. If this board was filled by Teenage girls or young women there would have been tons of threads about how hunky Brad Pitt is and how the NOtebook was the greatest movie or whatever....
This Board is Really fucking enteraining and its fun to read it during work and at home to get away from the daily grind.
"More and more, I think it might be time for me to leave this place for good"
oh please if you wanted to leave you would have just left there was no reason for that above line other than to draw attention to yourself. You are no better than BLackstallion.
Really atleast reading a post by Black stallion put a smile on my face which more than i can say for any your posts.
You obviously think you are too "mature" and Wise for this board so i agree maybe its time you leave. But we all know you wont cause where else can you show everyone how wise and mature you are? If you really wanted to leave couldnt you have just left instead
I wouldnt worry about Cammille or whatever she posts webcam pictures on the net obviously she loves attention . Im sure she has heard worse.
Hitokage said:Ok, why are some of you saying "stop making your gender an issue" when you really mean "shut up and pretend to be among the majority". Posters on this forum strut their heterosexual maleness ALL THE TIME, from Drinky Crow's innuendo to the demand for semi-erotic images. Gays aren't being told to hide who they are, and I will not condone women being told to do the same.
Furthermore, GA isn't a matchmaking forum. The whole "OMG you're a gurl. PICZ" business needs to stop, and it shouldn't be encouraged. There are other channels for that.
The point isn't that no one should have the right to disclose whatever they want about themselves, but that doing so is far from required, and that if you feel that being disclosed as female/old/poor/rich/young is so unbearable, you can certainly get along fine on the forum without doing so. I've never posted a pic, disclosed how much I make, shown what car I drive, disclosed my race, and I don't feel like I'm really missing out on anythying.
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Mike Works said:
IAWTP. Some of you trip over yourselves to be PC about the most ridiculous situations. It's very precocious. Do we have the other extreme here? In spades, too much. But HE (serafatiawithdong) was using gender, not simply hiding behind it, and it's rather sad and funny. Amazing what some people here will take others to task for and then get on their little soapboxes to defend.
And I hope jinx doesn't go, you're issue is completely legitimate...it's just not as related to this thread as I think you're trying to make it.
Hitokage said:
When you stop misinterpreting a simple, straightfoward phrase. The gays, the japanophiles, they all speak openly about things, but do not react similarly to the prodding and poking as the female species does. When Serafitia kept pushing the pictures and womanhood, often in condescending tone, she was creating a giant target on her back.
i happen to think one's standards of decency should be above the edges of legality, not below. i think most would agree with me. if you don't, well maybe that's part of the freaking problem now isn't it. once again, try reading, thinking, reading some more, thinking, etc. run through as many cycles of this as possible before you write. txBacon said:
Kabuki Waq
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why did she have to tell everyone she was a girl?
really what was the point?
really what was the point?
i don't understand why -jinx- takes this place so seriously and why he's so seemingly emotionally attached to protecting GA's image.
once you realize this is a forum, and a shitty one at that, things are much better off. i remember when hito used to go through these -jinx- type ordeals, and it would seriously piss me the fuck off.
it's like you fancy yourself as some knight in shining armor. just no.
once you realize this is a forum, and a shitty one at that, things are much better off. i remember when hito used to go through these -jinx- type ordeals, and it would seriously piss me the fuck off.
it's like you fancy yourself as some knight in shining armor. just no.
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