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Thomas Haden Church drops hints on who he might be playing in SPIDER-MAN 3...
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Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I think if they did Venom, it would be a more natural way of him being created. Like the spider that bite Peter was never caught, now what if it was to bite another person? Or what if that spider laid eggs? That is the only way I can see Venom being done. maybe Topher Grace figures out how Spider-Man got his powers and sets out to get his own, he has a "Peter Parker" build anyway...Personally, I really don't want to see Venom. Especially the alien symbiote Venom that some of us know, and some of you love.
Larry David? Well if he isn't a villian, I would expect he is some love interest for Aunt May.
Larry David? Well if he isn't a villian, I would expect he is some love interest for Aunt May.
Luscious LeftFoot
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Grizzlyjin said:
I was thinking something like that too. Having a Venom be created and have the same abilities as Spidey. But where Peter has the inner-conflicts and all the responsibilities of being a hero, Venom abuses his powers and does whatever the fuck he wants.
But in the end I think that would be incredibly BORING.
Luscious LeftFoot
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DopeyFish said:
Of course it is! Just ask this scientician...
BastardSamurai
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sans_pants said:
The current DA in Batman Begins is killed, which could mean that Harvey Dent gets hired as the new DA in the next Batman.
Oh, because the origins of Spider Man, Doc Ock, and the Green Goblin were all so incredibly plausible. :lol I really don't see why an alien life form is so totally incongruous in a world where those guys exist.karasu said:
If it is so bothersome, just turn the symbiote into some kind of artificially created life form stored up in a laboratory. Hell, it could even be some kind of military experiment at Oscorp.
karasu
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border said:
Sheesh man. They're plausibe in a sense because the story follows it's own internal logic and that's all that matters. In reality Batman is no more plausible than the Silver Surfer, but that's all besides the point. Venom would just seemingly take more time than one movie could offer. How could they go through the intense hatred of Peter Parker, Parkers own time with the symbiote, Parker's identity issues (yet again) , the symbiote merging with Eddie Brock(whos only been mentioned in name so far), etc etc. Of course they could simply do away with a few aspects of his original story, but I question whether it would really work. If they turned the symbiote into yet another scientific mistake instead of an alien for example, that would blow. I would rather they do something that they have faith in instead of adding Venom just for the sake of adding Venom. It's not like creating a weapon for pete's sake. When creating a character they need time to express the characters motivations, believable ones. A two hour movie can't handle Venoms, parker's, Harry's and Mary Jane's.. It'd end up being Spiderman fighting Venom just because Venom is there, but it wouldn't really be Venom.
Cold-Steel
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karasu said:
I agree, Venom IMO would have to be a solo villain in a Spiderman movie just because in order to explore the depth of his character you would have to use up an entire movie just for it.
I could see Raimi go this route:
-Have Spiderman fight one or two "classic" villains in the next movie
-Spiderman is not strong enough on his own to defeat them
-Peter Parker discovers the symbiote who gives him extrordinary powers
-Spiderman defeats the villains with the symbiote but comes close to killing them
-He rejects the symbiote, Eddie Brock finds it (after already hating Parker)
-Venom is born
-See Spiderman 4
Cold-Steel
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COCKLES said:
I just realized something.
Vulture could be two different actors entirely.
Think about how Vulture gains his powers.
Quadrophenic
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Willco said:
Great to hear.
As if this idea of throwing in like 3-4 OTHER villains (whose origins are still basically "science gone wrong") besides Harry is really a much better idea, that's capable of being pulled off in a couple hours.karasu said:
You wouldn't have to go through about half of the nonsense in the Venom origin story....it gets released from the lab, samples Spider Man's DNA or some other such nonsense, then it meets up with Brock.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Cold-Steel said:
Ah, so you think Grace might be a younger version of Larry David? Very clever.
All the clamour over Venom - meh. Great character, but people act as though Doc Ock, Goblin and Venom are the only three Spidey villains, what's up with that?
That said, I think it would be a smart way to go, as others have suggested, to set up Venom over two movies -- give Spidey a new suit for some reason (maybe someone helps him create it after he realizes "hey these suits are expensive" or something). In the movie, it doesn't even need to be an alien, it could be some sort of bio-technology that develops a consciousness or some other stupid story like that.
Work it in there that he ends up getting rid of the suit in the end of the movie 'cause he realizes it's feeding on him and also the "Angry Eddie Brock" angle and you've got it covered.
Still, there are so many takes on Venom -- some good, some not so good (read: Marvel cash-in stories) that I would worry how they'd handle it and also how they'd make him look (tongue wagging everywhere with slime, or a more conservative look?)
That said, I think it would be a smart way to go, as others have suggested, to set up Venom over two movies -- give Spidey a new suit for some reason (maybe someone helps him create it after he realizes "hey these suits are expensive" or something). In the movie, it doesn't even need to be an alien, it could be some sort of bio-technology that develops a consciousness or some other stupid story like that.
Work it in there that he ends up getting rid of the suit in the end of the movie 'cause he realizes it's feeding on him and also the "Angry Eddie Brock" angle and you've got it covered.
Still, there are so many takes on Venom -- some good, some not so good (read: Marvel cash-in stories) that I would worry how they'd handle it and also how they'd make him look (tongue wagging everywhere with slime, or a more conservative look?)
Cold-Steel
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People act that way because, quite frankly, those three are Spiderman's greatest adversaries for good reason.
The only other villain who ever came close to attacking Spiderman on a personal front was the Jackal.
Everyone else had other motives for destroying Spiderman, but very few devoted themselves purely to that ideal.
One of my favorite villains is Carnage (outside of those three), simply for his lust to kill everything in sight. He was irredeemable.
The only other villain who ever came close to attacking Spiderman on a personal front was the Jackal.
Everyone else had other motives for destroying Spiderman, but very few devoted themselves purely to that ideal.
One of my favorite villains is Carnage (outside of those three), simply for his lust to kill everything in sight. He was irredeemable.
Personally I think a good Venom story would take one film to set up the backstory and then one more for the full story. Really play the mind games too, the fact spiderman can't sense Venom's presence, that Venom knows everything about Spiderman and can use Aunt May and MJ against him. Create alot of Paranoia in Spidey.
I would also like too see a really good Mysterio story. If done right it could be pretty awesome.
Kraven could be a really good villain as well. In fact that would be a perfect set up story for Venom.
I would also like too see a really good Mysterio story. If done right it could be pretty awesome.
He is capable of quite a bit if anyone else has read that Daredevil story written by Kevin Smith.
Kraven could be a really good villain as well. In fact that would be a perfect set up story for Venom.
Cold-Steel
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Ponn01 said:
Although I like Mysterio, I'd much rather see the Chameleon in his place. Mysterio's battle with Spiderman wouldn't be very personal - where Chameleon could do a lot of emotional damage with Peter Parker.
Kraven and Chameleon go hand-in-hand actually.
Chameleon hired Kraven to hunt down and kill Spiderman.
sans_pants
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BastardSamurai said:
perhaps, i dunno. they messed with the storyline a little because the assistant da is supposed to be harvey dent not katie holmes
karasu said:
Tell me about it.
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Anyway, I've always thought Spiderman villains were 2nd rate. Just none of em really have appealing designs or powers or goals. Venom and Carnage seemed like the first to really be pushed as the series reappearing nemesis. Batman's Joker, Superman's Luthor, X-men's Magneto. I don't know if it worked or not, never got into Spider-man too much when I was younger. I guess it's got it's crowd though. Still, look outside of Venom and Carnage and the whole Spidey universe really pails in comparison to say X-men or Batman's villains. I don't get why people want to read so much about a superhero with nobody interesting to fight or save the day from. It was especially obvious when strung out over a cartoon series. Batman and X-men just rocked so hard and for a long time to. Magneto, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Sentinels, Dark Phoenix, Apocalypse. In comparison, the bench warmer villains like Avalanche, Sauron, and Mojo are the equivalent to Spider-man's main villains.
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Here's how it seems to be going down in my mind from what I've seen in this thread:
Parker's engaged to mary jane, harry's torn between trusting parker and killing him, Topher steps in trying to take mary jane away from parker, parker embarasses topher or mj simply denies him, grace looks for a way to get back at parker quickly, fucks up, becomes david/vulture. This is all while Sandman's character emerges to fight spiderman, through some sort of freak accident that probably won't be scientifically correct. The lizard eventually gets thrown into the mix with some accidental experimentation (again) and spidey's left to fight 3 villains. He's certain he can't do it alone, so he seeks out the symbiote, which helps, but still he finds himself in a near death situation, then harry swoops down in the goblin suit after not being on screen for 7 hours after all of these other characters had to be introduced, and saves spidey's life in dramatic fashion, elimnating the other villains in a totally awesome showdown featuring SPIDEY,GOBLIN,VENOM VS. VULTURE, SANDMAN, LIZARD. The end features the final marriage and the symbiote slightly begining to take over spidey, leading up to Spidey 4 with the venom story.
Jeez, they should hire ME to write this stuff .
Parker's engaged to mary jane, harry's torn between trusting parker and killing him, Topher steps in trying to take mary jane away from parker, parker embarasses topher or mj simply denies him, grace looks for a way to get back at parker quickly, fucks up, becomes david/vulture. This is all while Sandman's character emerges to fight spiderman, through some sort of freak accident that probably won't be scientifically correct. The lizard eventually gets thrown into the mix with some accidental experimentation (again) and spidey's left to fight 3 villains. He's certain he can't do it alone, so he seeks out the symbiote, which helps, but still he finds himself in a near death situation, then harry swoops down in the goblin suit after not being on screen for 7 hours after all of these other characters had to be introduced, and saves spidey's life in dramatic fashion, elimnating the other villains in a totally awesome showdown featuring SPIDEY,GOBLIN,VENOM VS. VULTURE, SANDMAN, LIZARD. The end features the final marriage and the symbiote slightly begining to take over spidey, leading up to Spidey 4 with the venom story.
Jeez, they should hire ME to write this stuff
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Cold-Steel said:I agree, Venom IMO would have to be a solo villain in a Spiderman movie just because in order to explore the depth of his character you would have to use up an entire movie just for it.
I could see Raimi go this route:
-Have Spiderman fight one or two "classic" villains in the next movie
-Spiderman is not strong enough on his own to defeat them
-Peter Parker discovers the symbiote who gives him extrordinary powers
-Spiderman defeats the villains with the symbiote but comes close to killing them
-He rejects the symbiote, Eddie Brock finds it (after already hating Parker)
-Venom is born
-See Spiderman 4
I totally agree and have a feeling the next film will be a Sinister six (using Harry instead of Doc Ock), with him defeating them by using the symbiote and setting up Venom for Spidey 4. Kind of daft and fantastical, but fuck it.
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Willco said:
:lol :lol :lol
Cold-Steel
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ManaByte said:
You missed some of the best issues of Spiderman ever.
Carnage: a man without remorse, pity, fear, or a soul who is irredeemable.
He is literally insane. There's no going back for him.
Easily one of Spiderman's most deadly nemesis'.
I've heard rumors that Rami wants to take a break after 3, but wants to come back to do 3 more after a hiatus. From that interview I could definatly see Cameleon being a very likely character, Electro as well. And with those guys you would have to have numerous villians, just because they are so weak as characters. Hobgob and Doc Oc were two of the big guns, so now maybe he wants to get some of the lesser ones in there. Mysterio seems a very realistic idea since he made an appearance in the Spider-man 2 game. Also I believe Rami has said that blackcat will be in this one... so does that mean problems in the MJ spiderman world?? Also if I remember right, the original HobGoblin in the comic was kept alive even after killed by the chemicals that made him what he was. So they coudl even do that. So many people are killed off, then come back in the comic book series you can never get rid of anything. If anything when they do venom, it will be the last spiderman movie made for a long time I think, probably end up being the end of this spiderman era. A new director/writer will come along and do his own take on spiderman 15-20 years from now.
ToyMachine228
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Doesn't one of Parker's Professors...The one with one arm...Become a villain? And he had a small scene in Spider-Man 2 I believe.
ToyMachine228 said:
THE LIZARD.... is incredibly lame.
So is Electro, Sandman, and Mysterio. All too cheesy.
What I want is Maximum Carnage... in movie form. That would be totally badass. I mean, the comic mini-series was drawn out far too long, but the premise was great, and I think it would work well on the big screen.
andthebeatgoeson
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Will they get rid of Tobey Maguire? Please?
Prince of Space
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All these people talking about wanting to see Venom AND Carnage in the next movie...you realize how incredibly stupid that would be, right?
"Unless...."
"Unless...."
Ninja Scooter
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Prince of Space said:All these people talking about wanting to see Venom AND Carnage in the next movie...you realize how incredibly stupid that would be, right?
"Unless...."
"Sorry, buddy. I got next!"
BobbyRobby
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border said:
Image Comics was formed in 1992, don't know exactly when. In 1991, Cletus Kasady got the symbiote. Though he didn't become Carnage until April of 1992.
Venom sucks. Carnage sucks. I'd rather see Spidey fighting the Lizard in the next movie, or even the Rhino rather than Venom.
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