rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I don't understand what your point is.
4k got nothing to do with oled. Any screen cab be 4k
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Those who went from LCD/LED monitors to OLED monitors, was the change worth it?
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4k got nothing to do with oled. Any screen cab be 4k
Puscifer
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The OP is literally talking about OLED MONITORS
I have one of the AVAILABLE OLED MONITORS
And I'm talking about the experience of OLED MONITORS
And you're whining about OLED TELEVISIONS
lol my point is you are not getting the most out of your OLED unless its a 4k OLED. I can't believe this inarguable fact is causing so much ruckus
Any OLED. You aren't getting the most out of it if it isn't a 4k OLED. You realize the TVs like mine (LG C2) are basically monitors as well yeah? lol.
Are you going to keep arguing or are you finally going to accept facts?
Man this thread just gets sillier and sillier......
LG C2 42" Review: The OLED PC Gaming Monitor Test
Today we're checking out the LG C2 OLED TV to see how good it is as a PC gaming monitor. In our lab is the new 42"...
www.techspot.com
Maybe next time know what you're talking about before spewing such silliness. Welcome to 2023 where the best TVs also double as the best monitors.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Why not?
LG oled stuff is mostly "use as pc monitor" on pc with very few drawbacks. Even got good speakers! Comparable to presonus e3.5 which I sold after getting this tv
Hoddi
Member
I have the AW3423DWF hopefully coming in this weekend. I'll still keep my older 4k144 monitor on the side but I've grown tired of using LCDs for PC gaming.
I thought about getting a TV instead but then I'd need to upgrade my 2080 Ti for HDMI 2.1. But I figured I'd get the ultrawide form factor and a slightly higher refresh rate in return. I already have an OLED in my living room and they really need to run at higher than 60hz in my opinion. OLED quality and HDR are 100% worth it though.
I thought about getting a TV instead but then I'd need to upgrade my 2080 Ti for HDMI 2.1. But I figured I'd get the ultrawide form factor and a slightly higher refresh rate in return. I already have an OLED in my living room and they really need to run at higher than 60hz in my opinion. OLED quality and HDR are 100% worth it though.
Badlucktroll
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Yes
Puscifer
Member
"Basically" a monitor isn't a monitorlol my point is you are not getting the most out of your OLED unless its a 4k OLED. I can't believe this inarguable fact is causing so much ruckus
Any OLED. You aren't getting the most out of it if it isn't a 4k OLED. You realize the TVs like mine (LG C2) are basically monitors as well yeah? lol.
Are you going to keep arguing or are you finally going to accept facts?
I bought the C2 and it was just too big so I decided elsewhere. A 27 inch monitor is what I'm most comfortable with so I got the Corsair, do you want my receipt showing I purchased the LG next?
Puscifer
Member
Because a television isn't a monitor. If you're just using it for gaming, sure, but no one's mentioning things like text fraying either.
lol dude the C series doubles as the best monitors as well. See the link I posted in response to the other weird guy.
Again, why are you making this about you? My posts have NEVER been about you, yet you keep talking to me like it is. Its just a fact if your OLED isn't 4k you aren't getting the full, most powerful experience w it.
Puscifer
Member
Because you turned a monitor thread into a television thread
Crazy how many times things need to be repeated to you.
Do some research or click the link I provided to the other guy. Welcome to 2023 where TVs like the C series double as high end monitors.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It isn't a monitor. it is a tv technically yes. undeniably because it can accept antenna signal.
But to be honest there is barely any difference. There is no text fraying at least not on 48" c1. I can get to bios, everything boots up and workes. There is no lag.
There is full real gsync and nvidia even recognizes it. HDR turns on and of fitself. Black levels are recognized as FULL RGB automatically. It functions entirely as a monitor.
It's not limited and ycbcr. It's FULL RGB without any tweaks (only have to enable 4k deep colour and pc input when you first setup your tv for whatever reason but that's on LG)
There is absolutely nothing about it worse than a monitor really. It's just big. There is no tv menu when you turn it on. And as I've said - the speakers and other features are good to have.
ok to be fair, the only thing is that you have to power it on and off yourself.
The text looks perfect. I cannot see any pixels sitting hand distance from it. Nothing. and I had 4k 27" ips before this. The pixel layout is fine. I dont have cleartype text enabled. Just default windows.
(the coating and reflections are great too. I prefer it to matte display... it's more visible on pics now because iphone raised expousure and it;s middle of the day)
and this is very close. You dont see pixels in reality. for exmaple 27" 1080p monitors looked way more pixelated to me despite similar dpi
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Puscifer
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Text fraying is noticeable enough that there's an entire GitHub repository dedicated to getting Microsoft to fix the problemIt isn't a monitor. it is a tv technically yes. undeniably because it can accept antenna signal.
But to be honest there is barely any difference. There is no text fraying at least not on 48" c1. I can get to bios, everything boots up and workes. There is no lag.
There is full real gsync and nvidia even recognizes it. HDR turns on and of fitself. Black levels are recognized as FULL RGB automatically. It functions entirely as a monitor.
It's not limited and ycbcr. It's FULL RGB without any tweaks (only have to enable 4k deep colour and pc input when you first setup your tv for whatever reason but that's on LG)
There is absolutely nothing about it worse than a monitor really. It's just big. There is no tv menu when you turn it on. And as I've said - the speakers and other features are good to have.
ok to be fair, the only thing is that you have to power it on and off yourself.
The text looks perfect. I cannot see any pixels sitting hand distance from it. Nothing. and I had 4k 27" ips before this. The pixel layout is fine. I dont have cleartype text enabled. Just default windows.
(the coating and reflections are great too. I prefer it to matte display... it's more visible on pics now because iphone raised expousure and it;s middle of the day)
and this is very close. You dont see pixels in reality. for exmaple 27" 1080p monitors looked way more pixelated to me despite similar dpi
Improved subpixel text rendering for OLED (WRGB stripe, RGB triangular) -- Unfixable by ClearType Tuner (Over 100 upvotes in Feedback Hub) · Issue #25595 · microsoft/PowerToys
Description of the new feature / enhancement NOTE: I do paid work with display manufacturers. Repost of incorrectly-closed github item that someone else posted: ClearType alters anti-aliasing assum...
github.com
And even then on games like Diablo it's noticeable when in the menus
Bro I literally HAD THE C2 AS I MENTIONED. It's great if you just want to game but even on my desk that's 34 inches deep, buying a special stand that's adjustable I couldn't find comfort with it. No matter how much a television wants to be a monitor it just won't, maybe if they make a 32 inch model, sure, but for now as a MONITOR ones available on the market.
The op asked about monitors, not televisions.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it's not noticeable at all. Like... it's more noticeable on shitty va montiors than on my lg c1....
It's the most anal made up complaint anyone can have against these tvs.
I have evo panel in my 48". Maybe that matters. image looks perfect, no freying, no aliasing. nothing strange
Puscifer
Member
I had the C2 and the only way to minimize it was blowing up the scaling, but at that point you're losing out on screen real estate. It also had the "Evo" panel.
You can't differentiate yourself from objectivity. For maybe the third or fourth time now? The C series doubles as high end monitors. Anyways, talking w you is pointless when anything outside your peripheral and personal experience is a blindspot.Text fraying is noticeable enough that there's an entire GitHub repository dedicated to getting Microsoft to fix the problem
Improved subpixel text rendering for OLED (WRGB stripe, RGB triangular) -- Unfixable by ClearType Tuner (Over 100 upvotes in Feedback Hub) · Issue #25595 · microsoft/PowerToys
Description of the new feature / enhancement NOTE: I do paid work with display manufacturers. Repost of incorrectly-closed github item that someone else posted: ClearType alters anti-aliasing assum...
And even then on games like Diablo it's noticeable when in the menus
Bro I literally HAD THE C2 AS I MENTIONED. It's great if you just want to game but even on my desk that's 34 inches deep, buying a special stand that's adjustable I couldn't find comfort with it. No matter how much a television wants to be a monitor it just won't, maybe if they make a 32 inch model, sure, but for now as a MONITOR ones available on the market.
The op asked about monitors, not televisions.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
of course I am using the scale. I am using 150%. I was using 200% when I had 4k 27" montior.
If I use 100% scale, everything is so tiny I can barely see it at the viewing distance. I seat laid back in my chair. not as close as I did to a 27" monitor over which I slouched.
But even at 100%, subpixel rendering is fine. It's a minor minor anal drawback which is not even worth mentioning.
edit: besides.... what am I going to do? Look at 100% small text way too close with my nose up the screen lol? This is not a real problem during normal use.
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willothedog
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Sounds like a you problem. Have a C1 and is my daily driver, text is fine.
Puscifer
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Bro I literally acknowledged it earlier and you started this nonsense by saying oleds are useless unless you're experiencing "fUlL p0wER of 4kAY"
simpatico
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Why do you know what built in TV speakers sound like?
Puscifer
Member
I guess the GitHub with commits are lying then, my bad
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
They sound great in Cinema mode with bass boost. Goos enough I could sold my monitors.
lg c1 got 2x28w speakers inside. I opened the tv and checked (on other occasion).
Maybe other tv speakers sound better. no idea. This tv got the best tv speakers I"VE HEARD
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TheShocker
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Overall yes, however some 30fps content runs like crap due to OLED’s instant pixel response.
TerribleAtThisGame
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Switched to an OLED TV earlier this year and...yea, it's a pretty nice difference to me. Is it necessary? To me, not really, but it's definitely noticeable and benefits some games greatly.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Have tried both and with a powerful PC 4k is not essential (to me) as I play at 240 fps ultrawide which for me is the superior gaming experience
But this is all subjective anyhow
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
It can but there is a toggle in the monitor OS to only work with the included remote
Knightime_X
Member
If you're into 30fps or that framerate doesn't bother you, you're gonna have a bad time.
OLED doesn't play well with anything less than 60 not without vrr help.
OLED doesn't play well with anything less than 60 not without vrr help.
Luipadre
Member
Oh really? so when i use the monitor/tv remote it wont turn on my LG tv/monitor?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Luipadre
Member
No just make sure monitor remote only is checked
Nice. How's the monitor btw? Im hearing mixed things, some love it, some hate it. I know its not the brightest OLED out there but im using my IPS monitor on 40 brightness for example so im fine with that. Dunno how it compares to my C9 in brightness
killatopak
Gold Member
Yes. I noticed it immediately on the Vita and Switch OLED.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
My main TV is a 77" C9 and I had the 27" LG OLED for a month or so so I can give you a pretty good comparison on those
The LG monitor was literally half as bright as the C9 but I know some of the other panels are getting much brighter
I mainly use the 45" curved ultrawide now and its still pretty dim but I have it in a room I can control the light even through the day
Luipadre
Member
Damn that sucks. I probably wait for new OLED monitor models then
buenoblue
Member
A store with all the bright lights shows lcds at there best. It's in normal/low/dark s where you will really see the difference. this is me going back to led because I got burn in on my b9.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
The Asus version I think is much brighter and actually hit 1000 nits
https://rog.asus.com/us/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdm/
Luipadre
Member
yeah but i also heard that monitor has many problems too. Also i dont think i want the brightest OLED for daily PC usage
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PixelatedBeast
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Just learned that screen saver was invented to prevent burn in or image retention, so it should help.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I personally never run a screen saver on my monitor just a blank black background as the monitor has several built in features to prevent burn in
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
There are actually a few 4K OLED monitors, but they're all 42-48" and presumably use the same panel as the LG C2. There's one LG 27" 4K but it's 60Hz (yuck) and very expensive.
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Puscifer
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For me it's that some people are okay with a TV that doubles as a monitor, I'm not not one of them. I personally want my FOV fully engaged and for that I want a 27 or 32 inch, I didn't like that I always had to move my head left and right in different angles to catch things.
For what it's worth I liked the Corsair and would recommend it, that's it. But then he got all super autistic screaming shit like "bUt iTs onLy poWerFul in 4KaY" like he's a retail salesman.
If I wanted an LG C2 I can go to Best Buy and get one, but it doesn't change the fact that I don't want a hulking monstrosity on my desk like that.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I hear you. I'm not going for the C2 despite how good it is for gaming. It's simply too damn big for me. The ideal size of monitor for me is 32-38" and even 38" is pushing it unless it's ultrawide. 16:9 starts hurting my neck from looking up and down after a while.
Otherwise, I'd look at 5120x2880 monitors but they're just too damn wide and none is OLED.
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Imagine having your whole day ruined cause I had to point out C series double as monitors and 4k is factually the best experience considering, you know, 4k uhd content
I also like you calling me a salesman while calling a paper thin TV a "hulking monstrosity"
PixelatedBeast
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I want an Oled tv, but a game like Apex Legends on a 240hz Oled monitor must look amazing. I need to do more research before I decide which one to splurge on first for my entertainment needs. Seems like burn in may not be as bad as it seems.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
240 hz on shooters is amazing and will take that over 4k 120fps every single day
StereoVsn
Member
I have C2 42" and I agree, for productivity a regular non-OLED IPS monitor is probably the best due to the way it renders text on Windows (thx MS). Well, unless you are looking to work on HDR content, which is a whole different animal.
However, for gaming/entertainment, its amazing. Although it must be said, unless you have like a 4080/4090/7900xtx, 4K without DLSS/FSR2 ain't happening with modern games with even 60 fps, not to mention higher, lol.
Edit: Forgot to add, pricewise, you couldn't beat C2 early this year/late last year. I got it for like $850. OLED monitors were nowhere near close, not to mention I did want 4K 16x9 (can always run custom UW res as well).
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