It's not physics. It's literally two alternating textures.
TLOU Remastered: 30 fps option gives better shadow quality [Up: Comparison GIF in OP]
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It's not physics. It's literally two alternating textures.
It's still there on the character in question and I've seen footage of it exactly the same as it was on PS3 for Joel and Ellie.
Ah. Didn't know how they did it. Either way, the effect still seems to be there to my eyes. Just less pronounced.
GavinUK86
Member
This thread will do that to ya.
Summer Haze
Banned
Not every shadow is lower quality, some comparison shots posted in another thread show almost incidental shadows in both 30fps and 60fps.
Just thought I'd let you know in case you thought every shadow was pixelated
Edit: I found the pics:
30 FPS
60 FPS
30FPS
60 FPS
30 FPS
60 FPS
GavinUK86
Member
Not every shadow is lower quality, some comparison shots posted in another thread show almost incidental shadows in both 30fps and 60fps.
Just thought I'd let you know in case you thought every shadow was pixelated
And no issues with the flashlight.
Just so everyone can see these again. Shadows, for the most part, are a non-issue.Not every shadow is lower quality, some comparison shots posted in another thread show almost incidental shadows in both 30fps and 60fps.
30 FPS
60 FPS
30FPS
60 FPS
30 FPS
60 FPS
Summer Haze
Banned
Sure seems that way. It would be a shame if someone would miss out on 60fps just for the odd shadow looking better at 30fps. 60fps is default for a reason, guys.
Sure seems that way. It would be a shame if someone would miss out on 60fps just for the odd shadow looking better at 30fps. 60fps is default for a reason, guys.
It boggles my mind someone would actually choose to play this game or any other at a lower framerate. Especially after seeing these comparison shots.
I think ND added the 30FPS feature after reading Gaf, as the average consumer probably won't even notice the option.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I dunno but to me the shadows all look the same.
60FPS it is for me by the looks of it!
60FPS it is for me by the looks of it!
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Cancelling my pre-order over this, this is unacceptable. Screw Naughty Dog.
Jokes, I'm not a loser who complains about miniscule shit.
Jokes, I'm not a loser who complains about miniscule shit.
Off-Kilter
Banned
:lol I see it now.
I was literally looking at every corner of the gif except for the patch of light in the center for some reason.
HORRORSHØW
Member
but wrinkles, man!
'Playable' isn't exactly high praise.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Grimløck;122947336 said:
I wonder how many people don't play games but just sit their and analyze shadows and other small things in games instead of actually playing the game.
If any of you do that, you must really hate games. You must also be really bad in social situations.
lukeskymac
Member
Considering who we're talking about, I'm pretty sure it's just his usual insanity.
Yeah. Really imperceptible difference. I don't think I'll even bother trying 30. PEACE.
Stratostar
Member
I am not a 60fps or die kinda person but no way in hell do I give up 60fps for shadows ever. To each his/her own of course.
valkillmore
Member
Looks brilliant will play at 60 FPS
Looks good either way. The difference between the two is barely noticeable based on the comparison screenshots. Though the missing stuff may be bothersome for others, I don't get the preorder cancelled or I won't buy the game anymore I keep reading here. I think the flaws are just too minor to be noticed without perceptive people pointing it out.
But original ps3 wrinkles man.
Tech discussions and analysis is fun. It's rarely the first thing on my mind on my first play through of a game but sometimes I do like to go slowly to try to piece together how things work and what the game does well. I'm not really looking for flaws though, just little impressive things that many wouldn't notice.
I will also freely admit I have gone frame by frame through trailers to look at stuff, especially when there's a lot of quick cuts. I love games and I love the tech that goes into them. Nothing wrong with that.
Stealthcobra
Member
i didn't see a difference. I'm more concerned why isnt there a preload for this game. rogue legacy gets a preload... but last of us doesnt? wtf
it has to do with the date the game went up for preorder. all games going forward support it but the last of us just missed it
It's weird how confrontational a lot of people get about people noticing flaws in a game.
Something not being perfect doesn't mean it's terrible. Someone pointing out that something isn't perfect doesn't mean they're calling it the worst imaginable outcome.
Knowing the faults and benefits of any product you're going to be buying is always a good thing.
Something not being perfect doesn't mean it's terrible. Someone pointing out that something isn't perfect doesn't mean they're calling it the worst imaginable outcome.
Knowing the faults and benefits of any product you're going to be buying is always a good thing.
93xfan
Banned
People just want an acceptable upgrade. If something was downgraded in the transition from ps3 to ps4, that is worth mentioning and it may make people reconsider spending $50 for the upgrade.
Some of us are also disappointed that ND refused to release any pre release footage of the game. And now we have missing AO in some scenes, missing shadows in some backdrops, bad aliasing in other scenes. Fact is, we want to be convinced to make the upgrade, but we are seeing good reason to hold off.
But it's always great to here another personal attack about social skills just because some of us have high standards in this regard. If we criticize a product, one can only assume we must also criticize people to our social detriment. We also must not play our games correctly.
Well said.
HueyFreeman
Banned
Depressing but also hilarious
I'm reading more into the last couple pages and a lot of posters are acting really weird.
Genuinely all this thread needed to be was
"Shadows are improved in 30fps mode"
"How much are they improved?"
"Here are some examples of shadows in 60fps vs shadows in 30fps. There are also these differences between 60fps and 30fps mode"
"Thanks for the info."
But instead posters are making attacks on peoples character with stuff like
and just outright insults of everyone they disagree with like
I'm genuinely surprised this thread has gone this long without some people being banned.
This is supposed to be a discussion of the technical aspects of an upcoming video game. This whole discussion is showing the most unflattering sections of Gaf and it's really unfortunate.
Genuinely all this thread needed to be was
"Shadows are improved in 30fps mode"
"How much are they improved?"
"Here are some examples of shadows in 60fps vs shadows in 30fps. There are also these differences between 60fps and 30fps mode"
"Thanks for the info."
But instead posters are making attacks on peoples character with stuff like
and just outright insults of everyone they disagree with like
I'm genuinely surprised this thread has gone this long without some people being banned.
This is supposed to be a discussion of the technical aspects of an upcoming video game. This whole discussion is showing the most unflattering sections of Gaf and it's really unfortunate.
lukeskymac
Member
Well that wasn't a one-sided post at all. No sir.
TheMissingLink
Member
They obviously had to make some kind of concession for 60fps.
This is so weird.
This is so weird.
What flash light thing? I haven't been keeping up with what's been happening in this thread.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Oh dear. Opinions are fine and all but some people need to show some respect with dismissing the work needed to make this version happen and calling it simple and lazy.
This is a port of a game designed to push the PS3 to its absolute limit using every trick they could, and now they have to move that to an ent....oh, why bother.
This is a port of a game designed to push the PS3 to its absolute limit using every trick they could, and now they have to move that to an ent....oh, why bother.
lukeskymac
Member
Not as weird as a Gaming forum's users' apparent inability to understand one of the most basic principles of programming.
Saintguine
Member
Not every shadow is lower quality, some comparison shots posted in another thread show almost incidental shadows in both 30fps and 60fps.
Just thought I'd let you know in case you thought every shadow was pixelated
Edit: I found the pics:
30 FPS
60 FPS
30FPS
60 FPS
30 FPS
60 FPS
Maybe it's just me but I don't really see how that miniscule amount of shadow quality increase really justifies losing 30 whole frames.
Get this, you weren't even going to get the better shadows before the patch and the 30fps lock was included for "purists".
If The Last of Us at twice the resolution and double the framerate + all the dlc + photomode is not acceptable and instead you are getting hung up on missing back wrinkles, a weird aliasing bug, and missing vine shadows, I would say there was not going to be any convincing you in the first place. ALL GAMES can be made to look bunk and broken by isolated screens. Especially ones where the game was optimized perfectly for a cell processor and is now on x86 architecture a little over a year after the original released. All we are saying is that yes a shadow is missing here, and there is an aliasing bug there but also that we do not care. We have made the decision to buy the game. You have that decision as well. Please make it.
Saintguine
Member
Oh I'm definitely not arguing for it to be removed or that it's a waste of time and infact this is a very good thing to give users more options in their games between those who want increased graphical fidelity and 60FPS. Just that personally if I was tweaking my games and the shadow options dragged the framerate down like that, it'd be the first thing to go.
what, reasoning?
93xfan
Banned
Fair enough. I just want to wait and see to what extent this all happens before my purchase. Won't be holding my breath for too many patches on a re-release.
the_batman
Banned
damn, this game looks good. can't wait to play it myself with all the 60 fps goodness!
supernormal
Member
You should see how uncivilized it gets when someone mentions they might prefer 30fps to 60fps, or they like motion blur, or grain. Like it's factually wrong to like a black and white photo over a color one or prefer an LP to a CD for whatever reason.
The people pointing out the flaws know that it's 2x the res, 2x the framerate, 4x the texture etc. But everything on the remaster should be additional things. So when something that was originally there is taken out I think it's alright for someone to point it out so we all know.
This http://i.imgur.com/mtSWIg2.jpg
I thought it was glitch, but some are saying that they're actually calculating bounced light around the area you're lighting, but it's so taxing they have to lower the res of the objects in the dark to get it to work properly. Apparently in the first game they just black out everything around the light except for some specific scenes, so none of this was going on. That's what I got from the posts made about that pic.
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