keeblerdrow
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BobbyRobby said:Wacth them make him an iPod.
Even a CD player would suck since a CD doesn't really have the architecture to turn into a Ravage, Rumble, or Laserbeak.
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Transformers movie info galore!!!
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Im fuckin pissed off at these guys right about now!
I wish they let the japanese handle this one.
At least they would have stayed true to the original.
So here it is, .... the movie ive been waiting for all my life (since i adore Transformers), and now its gonna be the same crap as Armada and all the other rubbish after G1.
Why the hell cant Megatron be a gun? just becaue they cant actualy make a toy gun as merchandise for the movie?
Why the hell cant Soundwave be a Tapedeck? cause children wouldnt know what a tapedeck is nowadays?
Why the hell dont they make the movie like it were actualy 1984 or something.
But noooooo, these arseholes , who made names for themselves in the industry ,think they can rewrite everything and come away with it.
Well i say Fuck u Spielberg! Fuck u Raimi! Fuck u Don Murphy!
Glad ive got my G1 dvd collection complete!
I bet there's gonna be a lot of dissapointed Trans fanatics like me all over the world....
I wish they let the japanese handle this one.
At least they would have stayed true to the original.
So here it is, .... the movie ive been waiting for all my life (since i adore Transformers), and now its gonna be the same crap as Armada and all the other rubbish after G1.
Why the hell cant Megatron be a gun? just becaue they cant actualy make a toy gun as merchandise for the movie?
Why the hell cant Soundwave be a Tapedeck? cause children wouldnt know what a tapedeck is nowadays?
Why the hell dont they make the movie like it were actualy 1984 or something.
But noooooo, these arseholes , who made names for themselves in the industry ,think they can rewrite everything and come away with it.
Well i say Fuck u Spielberg! Fuck u Raimi! Fuck u Don Murphy!
Glad ive got my G1 dvd collection complete!
I bet there's gonna be a lot of dissapointed Trans fanatics like me all over the world....
BobbyRobby
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EekTheKat said:hmmmmm.....
We need one of those ASCII pics with Laserbeak coming out of a PSP.
They've specifically said it will focus on G1 characters.
Aside from the merchandise thing I always found it rather silly that this huge robot that was Megatron somehow transformed into this small as hell gun that the other robots could hold. Not only did it seem to make his gun form be at the whim of someone else, but the whole size differential was stupid and was tolerated only becaue the creators apparently thought it was cool that he turned into a gun.
If I remember correctly all of the autobots and deceptecons took on new transformed looks when they came to earth in order to be earth vehicles and objects. They originally had "spacey" transformed looks when on cybertron. Therefore, it would only make sense that if they came to Earth nowadays they would be current vehicles and Soundwave would not be a tapedeck. Besides, the animated movie is supposed to be set in 2005 anyway, so it really makes no sense for him to be a tapedeck in that film anyway aside from the fact that it was actually made in the 80's and no one at the time new what a CD or Ipod was.
Because the movie wasn't set in 1984 anyway, though I believe the first series was.
BobbyRobby
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Good points Teiresias.
Though, Soundwave also shrinks considerably while in his tape deck form. They do have extremely advanced technology, so I guess they could shrink as long as they became really dense. They seem to reduce in mass though too, so it is rather silly. I was never really bothered by it, unless I was playing with the toys, because being so radically out of scale just sucks.
Off-topic, but Perceptor kicked ass. He turned into a working microscope.
Though, Soundwave also shrinks considerably while in his tape deck form. They do have extremely advanced technology, so I guess they could shrink as long as they became really dense. They seem to reduce in mass though too, so it is rather silly. I was never really bothered by it, unless I was playing with the toys, because being so radically out of scale just sucks.
Off-topic, but Perceptor kicked ass. He turned into a working microscope.
For those wondering about characters like Soundwave:
The movie basically has three options: 1) Keep him in robot mode the entire time; 2) Don't have him at all; 3) Make him turn into something that doesn't ask the viewer to believe that robots that big can magically shrink down to something the size of a 1985 Walkman.
Don Murphy made this (the shrinking issue) his own, personal edict fairly early on. It's why Megatron will most likely become a tank, some other vehicle, or maybe (here's to hoping, actually) the mobile cannon form he had as Galvatron. Soundwave's a bit more tricky given the rules laid out by the movie. He obviously can't become anything normally associated with personal audio, so he can either turn into a giant PSP that hangs in a train station, or just keep his original pre-Earth form, which was Generic Radio Tower/Signal Thing.
Not to torch your entire po--aw, who am I kidding?
"Crap [like] Armada" is precisely what you get when you let the Japanese end of the Transformers partnership drive. Ever since the Beast wars/Beast Machines storylines wrapped up the original G1 universe tightly enough that it really shouldn't be explored further, things were reset once for Robots in Disguise; then again for Armada. Energon and the show following it, Cybertron, will stay within the Armada universe.
Pretty much, yes. Current U.S. law all but prohibits Hasbro from making a toy gun with the level of detail G1 Megatron displayed, said laws go as far back as the late 80s. And before you ask, don't. No, they can't just make him in bright colors; no, they can't put an age restriction on the packaging; no, a warning won't do any good either.
Hasbro tried to re-issue Megatron along with the other G1 re-issues they put out. Yes, believe it or not, an actual, concerted effort was made. It simply can't be done while keeping the toy's form intact.
See above. Even in the realm of fantasy, the suspension of disbelief isn't indestructible. The producers believe that they'd lose the audience's "faith" if they're asked to believe a robot that big and heavy can turn into something as lightweight as a tape deck or CD player. It's like asking people to give a thumbs up to a Jeep-driving dinosaur in Jurassic Park.
I'm sure people were asking this same exact question in 1986, when the movie took place in 2005.
Here's a little reality check for you: The Transformers continuity is so full of holes, it makes the Star Trek writing staff blush. G1 especially. Sure, Beast Wars and Beast Machines did a fine job of filling those gaping discrepancies, but a few still remain.
And what Spielberg and Don Murphy both realize is that no matter how many "true" fans hate the movie just because it doesn't kotow to their personal wishlist, they'll see it. Some will see it twice, maybe three times. Because at the end of the day, they're pretty fucking die-hard fans and simply can't help themselves.
The movie basically has three options: 1) Keep him in robot mode the entire time; 2) Don't have him at all; 3) Make him turn into something that doesn't ask the viewer to believe that robots that big can magically shrink down to something the size of a 1985 Walkman.
Don Murphy made this (the shrinking issue) his own, personal edict fairly early on. It's why Megatron will most likely become a tank, some other vehicle, or maybe (here's to hoping, actually) the mobile cannon form he had as Galvatron. Soundwave's a bit more tricky given the rules laid out by the movie. He obviously can't become anything normally associated with personal audio, so he can either turn into a giant PSP that hangs in a train station, or just keep his original pre-Earth form, which was Generic Radio Tower/Signal Thing.
Synthetic said:
Not to torch your entire po--aw, who am I kidding?
"Crap [like] Armada" is precisely what you get when you let the Japanese end of the Transformers partnership drive. Ever since the Beast wars/Beast Machines storylines wrapped up the original G1 universe tightly enough that it really shouldn't be explored further, things were reset once for Robots in Disguise; then again for Armada. Energon and the show following it, Cybertron, will stay within the Armada universe.
Pretty much, yes. Current U.S. law all but prohibits Hasbro from making a toy gun with the level of detail G1 Megatron displayed, said laws go as far back as the late 80s. And before you ask, don't. No, they can't just make him in bright colors; no, they can't put an age restriction on the packaging; no, a warning won't do any good either.
Hasbro tried to re-issue Megatron along with the other G1 re-issues they put out. Yes, believe it or not, an actual, concerted effort was made. It simply can't be done while keeping the toy's form intact.
See above. Even in the realm of fantasy, the suspension of disbelief isn't indestructible. The producers believe that they'd lose the audience's "faith" if they're asked to believe a robot that big and heavy can turn into something as lightweight as a tape deck or CD player. It's like asking people to give a thumbs up to a Jeep-driving dinosaur in Jurassic Park.
I'm sure people were asking this same exact question in 1986, when the movie took place in 2005.
Here's a little reality check for you: The Transformers continuity is so full of holes, it makes the Star Trek writing staff blush. G1 especially. Sure, Beast Wars and Beast Machines did a fine job of filling those gaping discrepancies, but a few still remain.
And what Spielberg and Don Murphy both realize is that no matter how many "true" fans hate the movie just because it doesn't kotow to their personal wishlist, they'll see it. Some will see it twice, maybe three times. Because at the end of the day, they're pretty fucking die-hard fans and simply can't help themselves.
[ Ultra Magnus trying to open up the Matrix ] "Damnit, why won't it open?!"
Roofles. Autobot swearing at the Matrix only to get blown to pieces a minute later, that was freaking the best. Kind of violent for a kid's cartoon movie too.
Also, the sharkticon part was kind of scary. It's like, damn.
And who could forget the dying words of Optimus Prime?
'Do not grieve. Soon I shall be one with the Matrix. Ultra Magnus, it goes to you, old friend.'
'Prime, I'm just a soldier. I'm not a leader.'
'Nor was I. But one day, an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the powers of the Matrix to light our darkest hour.'
Geez. Now I have to watch this sometime this weekend. Does anyone else not like the Energon cartoon? The toys are awesome, but the show is just...lacking.
Roofles. Autobot swearing at the Matrix only to get blown to pieces a minute later, that was freaking the best. Kind of violent for a kid's cartoon movie too.
Also, the sharkticon part was kind of scary. It's like, damn.
And who could forget the dying words of Optimus Prime?
'Do not grieve. Soon I shall be one with the Matrix. Ultra Magnus, it goes to you, old friend.'
'Prime, I'm just a soldier. I'm not a leader.'
'Nor was I. But one day, an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the powers of the Matrix to light our darkest hour.'
Geez. Now I have to watch this sometime this weekend. Does anyone else not like the Energon cartoon? The toys are awesome, but the show is just...lacking.
FortNinety
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xsarien said:
I believe this point cannot be emphasized enough, because it holds true for almost everything, including Star Wars. For every 100 angry Star Wars fans bitching about Episode 3, how many are going to see it more than once? A good number.
Also, it's very much true that the Japanese, when they're on their own, have done a wretched job with Transformers. As much as I HATED Beat Wars and all that associated nonsense, the stories were still a thousand percent better than Cars Wars or Armada or whatever.
But xsarien, you're a friend and all, but I still want my shrinking robot/tape deck!!!!!!
Well if I can't have the Soundwave I want, I still want the Shockwave that I remember...
BobbyRobby
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Shockwave turns into a gun too, but I don't think he shrank. Its been a while, but I think I remember him chilling out on Cybertron, sending messages to Megatron as a giant gun, so I guess Don wouldn't have a problem with him.
The fact that Megatron transforming into a gun would cause trouble for Hasbro merchandising is exactly why it won't happen, not some stupid horseshit excuse from Don Murphy as to it not making sense or being silly. Silly? Giant, sentient robots from outer space... the whole concept is a bit silly.
xsarien said:
It was for both, really, thinking back to the argument over the same topic from a few months back, though I believe 'lame' may have been the specific word used to describe Megs alt mode, and yeah, 'silly' was more directed at Soundwave...
Ah, well, I'll still see it. No pleasant childhood memories must be spared.
Christoff Yurievich
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FortNinety said:Well if I can't have the Soundwave I want, I still want the Shockwave that I remember...
hey, my wife has the comic. Shockwave was so bad-ass. She even bought me the original figure for christmas last year.
SatelliteOfLove
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xsarien said:
As long as it doesn't go down like this that I found on RPG.net:
ASK STEVE: ROBOTS IN THE SKY
Don Seigel writes: I want to make the next big CGI blockbuster. What do I need to succeed?
An excellent question, Don, and I can sum it up with one word: morphing. Nothing says Hey, we spent a lot of money on the special effects! like a good old fashioned morph.
To succeed, you want main characters who can and do morph all the time, the kind of people who morph just by sneezing. It also helps if theres lots of chrome and steel and stuff to blow up. Add in an old-school comic tie in, and youre sold. In fact, the movie you want to make is a live-action version of the Transformers.
Genius! Except, of course, we'd have to re-imagine them a little for the modern day. So they're genetically mutated aliens with bionic nanobots inside them which allow them to go from looking almost completely like a normal human, and turn into a giant bad-ass truck (with scads of expensive CGI). Very cool. Now all we need is a script. I think it might look a little bit like this:
Scene: A dark street. The GIRL walks down it. DECEPTICONS drive by in the shadows. Then they ATTACK and BLOW SHIT UP.
Girl: Ahh!
Suddenly, the HERO turns up and kicks their asses. The GIRL is hurt in A SEXY KIND OF WAY.
Hero: Stay here, I'll get the car. (note: this is a JOKE)
The HERO morphs into a convertible Chrysler (royalty check on the way) They drive. DECEPTICONS attack them for no reason. There is a CGI CAR CHASE and, like all car chases, it is DULL and POINTLESS but still better than Matrix Reloaded.
Girl: What's going on?
Hero: Blah blah secret war blah blah aliens blah blah chosen one blah blah destiny blah blah Mysterious Secret?
Girl; But I don't know anything about Mysterious Secret.
Hero: But don't you work at Plot-Pivotal High-Tech Base?
Girl: Yes, but...oh no, my boss must be evil!
CUT TO: Her boss. He is EVIL. He is being paid off by MEGATRON.
Evil Boss: Thanks Megatron. Now my little daughter will never die of cancer, I love her so much blah blah blah.
Megatron: You humans are so gullible. I, the robot, am superior and have thus betrayed you. (shoots him)
EvilBoss: Curse your sudden yet inevitable betrayal! (dies)
CUT TO: A warehouse. The HERO introduces the GIRL to OPTIMUS PRIME. Eighties geeks wet themselves at seeing their ultimate father figure done in CGI.
HERO: This Girl is pivotal to the plot.
OPTIMUS: Excellent. Let me do an exposition flashback to explain everything (he does).
GIRL: But that still doesnt explain why -
OPTIMUS: Sorry to cut you off, but we have to do another fight scene now.
They do. DECEPTICONS attack. Lots of things blow up. The HERO, as a car, drives fast, leaps into mid air, then turns into a human while there to grab the girl before she falls into a pit of ACID, then throws her into the air, then turns back into a car and catches her, then drives on. It is TOTALLY FUCKING AWESOME, unless you saw it a bajillion times in the preview already.
GIRL: You saved my life. I think I love you.
HERO: Yeah? Well you drive me crazy.
GIRL: God, that's the worst pun ever. Hey, I was in a Jane Austen film once, remember?
HERO: No time, they've kidnapped Optimus Prime and only me and my ragtag bunch of sporst cars and motorbikes can save the day now!
GIRL: I've figured it out! We have to go back to the Plot-Pivotal High-Tech Base and do some technobabble!
HERO: You are so an empowered feminist icon cos you totally saved the day then. Now, keep your head down when the fighting actually starts, or your insanely low-cut top might get torn.
They go to the Plot-Pivotal High-Tech Base and BLOW SHIT UP. OPTIMUS PRIME kicks STARSCREAM's ass. A HELICOPTER AUTOBOT and a SOME KIND OF STUPID INSECTICON fight in mid-air. The INSECTICON BLOWS UP. MORE SHIT BLOWS UP. It is PRETTY FUCKING REPETITIVE. In the end, MEGATRON has the GIRL with a gun to her head. Actually, he IS the gun to her head.
HERO: No! I must sacrifice everyone on earth rather than risk the life of the Girl I love!
MEGATRON: And so you are undone because you autobots hung out with the humans and fell in love, whereas I, the soulless robot, think humans are weak and pointless - particularly girls - and thus have won.
The GIRL punches MEGATRON in the nuts and makes a "nuts and bolts" pun. Then the HERO kills MEGATRON, only he doesn't so there can be a sequel. Then UNICRON comes down from space and TIES UP ALL THE LOOSE ENDS.
Girl: But wait! Megatron set this whole thing to blow!
Hero: Punch it!
The HERO grabs her in his mighty arms and turns into a car around her body. It looks PAINFULLY STUPID. They drive out of the Plot-Pivotal High-Tech Base as it EXPLODES REALLY BIG. They fly through the air. Below them, the COMIC RELIEF GUY looks up and says:
Comic Relief Guy: Dude, there's my car!
They land in the WATER. The HERO turns into a hovercraft FOR NO GOOD REASON. They go and meet OPTIMUS PRIME in a place that is, for the first time in the film, WELL-LIT.
OPTIMUS PRIME: Girl, you have saved the autobots as well as earth. Have an impassioned speech of thanks that also talks about how we should all just get along.
GIRL: Thanks, but all I want is to get naked and screw the Hero.
OPTIMUS: (laughs in a fatherly way) Then it shall be so! But first let me make a forced pun about impotence and car engines stalling.
HERO: You witty bastard, Optimus Prime.
GIRL: Shut up and rev my engine.
They KISS. SHITTY BUTTROCK plays over the credits. Four seconds later, the film studio is burnt to the ground by Transformer fans.
aparisi2274
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The writer of this movie, John Rogers, and I think even Don Murphy have confirmed that they have figured out a slick way to incorporate Size Differential when transforming. At first Don was saying that there is no way a tapedeck could transform and be 20ft tall and still keep some sort of realism, but then when he posted a few weeks later on his board, he and the writer both said they have come up with a cool idea that will incorpate the size differential, and keep us fans happy.
Spectral Glider
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All these people crying over dead autobots......am I the only one here who was pissed that Megatron, one of the greatest villians ever, was turned into the shitty galvatron?
Ninja Scooter
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CHEE KOO KOO CHEE KOO CHEE CHEE
soundwave05
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I remember being a kid and being in utter shock and disbelief when a group of friends returning from the Transformers movie said Optimus Prime was dead.
It was funny though they killed all those characters so ruthlessly, it probably was a rude awakening for a lot of pampered kids :lol
It was funny though they killed all those characters so ruthlessly, it probably was a rude awakening for a lot of pampered kids :lol
Felidae_Khrall
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FortNinety said:
$5 on Eminem!
Future Trunks
lemme tell you something son, this guy is SO FARKING HUGE HE'LL FLEX AND DESTROY THE SUN no shit
Ahhhh....but what about the greatest mystery of them all? The appearance/disappearance of Prime's trailer, I mean, WTF? That's some serious suspension of disbelief, it just comes and goes out of nowhere!...well, until Prime needs it to send that little probe/car thing out somewhere....
Or was this explained?
Or was this explained?
DonasaurusRex
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if he did LXG then i can say one thing for sure , THe Transformers trailer will be one of the best things we've ever seen....that is all.
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