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True or False: MS is blocking reviews pre launch; "journos" helping them.

Game publishers do this all the time. They may embargo a review or screens or movies for a variety of reasons. In this case, if it's true about the reviews, I'm sure it's there so Microsoft can give out review copies now so the reviewers have time to write up the stories for launch. Perhaps they're creating an even playfield, sort of like how some games and DVDs have street dates; so everyone gets the stuff at the same time, except in this case it's information.

I don't buy into the conspiracy theory at all and think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Even Nintendo has done an embargo here and there for online sites. Often it states, "You're not allowed to post a review of this game until <insert date>" and usually that date is the Friday before the game is scheduled to launch. Sometimes the embargo is in place because they've given exclusives to other online sites or magazines as well.
 
This thread is fucking retarded. It should've ended with Stinkles' post. Hopefully, now, Kobun's will do the job. The M$ conspiracy theories are really getting out of control.
 
ahem....again since everyone but one ignored it.....Gamepro has reviews up at gamerankings.....

They suck but they are print media.

But please continue fighting...
 
ok, well thanks. two small things.

I understand it's a give and take relationship. And if we can expect widespread, reputable reviews the week before launch, the friday before, whatever, that seems more business as usual if acceptable. But it is a give and take. I mean, you guys stir the water for these games with previews, screenshots, etc. Basically keeping the spotlight on the product long before it launches. If you have no editorial control on what the line between corporate relationships and reporting advocacy or integrity is, then I get that too. But you're not a useful press in any real sense. Is that conspiratorial?

two, Kobun, you've written a book that attempts a more scholarly take on games. You obviously take them quite seriously. They are your life, as it were. Don't you think it's a questionable issue at hand? I understand the process you're explaining. I'm saying hey, if we're going to take games seriously, don't they deserve a better press/marketing culture around them? Because the process you describe isn't so great for anything serious, even serious in an artistic sense. And if we're talking about the richest company in the world blocking out the whole journalistic scene as it were from reporting on an aspect of it, then hey, that might be notable too.

Not earth shattering. Certainly not a wacko conspiracy. But notable, disturbing and too bad. That's all. If it's a mountain of a molehill, sorry for that too.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I'm saying hey, if we're going to take games seriously, don't they deserve a better press/marketing culture around them? Because the process you describe isn't so great for anything serious, even serious in an artistic sense.
You don't think book publishers only provide galley copies of new books to publications on the condition that a review will run after a certain date?

You don't think film companies only invite journos to press screenings if they agree to hold coverage until opening weekend?

Does this mean we can't take films and books seriously?
 
It sounds to me like Musashi wins! has allready made up his mind on this topic so why would an 'journo' come in here to refute or confirm his claim. If they deny it , then musashi will just say they are lying and well if they confirm it - more fuel for the fire.

I can see why he's complaining, the guy is obviosly stupidly overexcited to purchase his new console in 16 days time and somehow thinks it'll make a difference for reviews to come out this early. Tell me, when was the last time an online site reviewed ANY game 2 weeks before its ship date? They don't. I'd expect reviews of games to pop up from the 18th to the 22nd but no sooner. I mean when the PS2 launched the only reviews that did come out early were for games that were available in japan confirmed for US release. Even Lumines which was reviewed quite a bit prior to the american psp launch was available for months in japan.

So to sum this all up, anyone expecting reviews more then a couple days before this system launch, which I might remind you is coming to the US first, is simply ignoring the facts. The only place you may get a review of any launch title before then is within OXM and whatever they review with the upcoming issue will probally get an 8 or a 9 becuase they will not have played a final build and will overcompensate for that.


Feel free to make me eat crow on all of what I just typed if not a single legitimate review exists by November 22nd, online or print. Until then I suggest you morons settle the fuck down.
 
I agree with Musashi. They should allow reviews as soon as their copies come in. In comparison, Sony allowed PSP reviews long before launch day (Lumines was reviewed by IGN on March 8th!). But it is still too early to tell, frankly. Kameo hits stores on Tuesday, so maybe there might be reviews up soon.
 
Kobun Heat said:
You don't think book publishers only provide galley copies of new books to publications on the condition that a review will run after a certain date?

You don't think film companies only invite journos to press screenings if they agree to hold coverage until the right time?


I think most reviews that matter come out before the mass release of the product. Book or film. And if they don't, it's because the publisher withholds the product, raising a whole 'nother question. Not telling the review sources they can't talk about them before they are sold even when it's slightly before, when they actually have the book/film. But apparently the game press doesn't have that option.
 
Pachinko said:
It sounds to me like Musashi wins! has allready made up his mind on this topic so why would an 'journo' come in here to refute or confirm his claim. If they deny it , then musashi will just say they are lying and well if they confirm it - more fuel for the fire.

well, no sense in having it refuted then, eh? gimme a break. if you don't care, you don't care, but don't make excuses for it.


I can see why he's complaining, the guy is obviosly stupidly overexcited to purchase his new console in 16 days time and somehow thinks it'll make a difference for reviews to come out this early. Tell me, when was the last time an online site reviewed ANY game 2 weeks before its ship date? They don't. I'd expect reviews of games to pop up from the 18th to the 22nd but no sooner. I mean when the PS2 launched the only reviews that did come out early were for games that were available in japan confirmed for US release. Even Lumines which was reviewed quite a bit prior to the american psp launch was available for months in japan.

yea, again, insightful. but as I've been saying, if they simply want them to wait until a few days before, that's less nefarious than waiting until after launch, isn't it?

Feel free to make me eat crow on all of what I just typed if not a single legitimate review exists by November 22nd, online or print. Until then I suggest you morons settle the fuck down.

but that's all. i'm. saying. are they being asked to hold them till after launch? it was implied that they were. they should say no, we'll wait till just before. that's a semi-respectable middle ground. i've been stringent about it but I haven't made up a theory about it. Or my mind. I just asked and got two responses...I'm an idiot for caring and not accepting it, and a nutball for suggesting it. They seem somewhat contradictory, but hey.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I think most reviews that matter come out before the mass release of the product. Book or film. And if they don't, it's because the publisher withholds the product, raising a whole 'nother question. Not telling the review sources they can't talk about them before they are sold even when it's slightly before, when they actually have the book/film. But apparently the game press doesn't have that option.
I don't know about books, but film reviews are a very different kettle of fish. Studios de facto control when reviews appear by screening films for critics only a few days to a week before they they open. So by definition all reviews appear around opening day.

With games you obviously have to ship review code out several weeks before release in order to give the press enough time to play through the game, so there is much more variance involved.

I would argue that embrgoes are a good thing because they result in better reviews. If everyone was competing to get their review up first, we'd have a lot of half-baked Famitsu-style reviews posted by people before they've played through the game. The embargo sort of creates a fair playing field that allows room for people to take the proper time to explore and appreciate a game before rushing off to press.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
but that's all. i'm. saying. are they being asked to hold them till after launch? it was implied that they were. they should say no, we'll wait till just before. that's a semi-respectable middle ground. i've been stringent about it but I haven't made up a theory about it. Or my mind. I just asked and got two responses...I'm an idiot for caring and not accepting it, and a nutball for suggesting it. They seem somewhat contradictory, but hey.

I sincerely doubt they're being asked to hold reviews any later than 12:01 a.m. on the 22nd. Does "after launch" mean after midnight on launch day or two days later?

Regardless, you're going to see impressions from the people who won the every10minutes contest a couple days beforehand for sure. If retail copies of the launch games are out there, someone will bust one open and play it and then post about it on the 'Net (and will subsequently get fired from their Gamestop job).
 
Amir0x said:
It's for GUN and THAW

nobody cares about those, krypt

Except Agent Icebeezy, but he really doesn't count

In regards to those. I love the Tony Hawk series and with proper XBL support, I had to get it at least once. I only played it once on XBConnect, and it was love. If people have followed the Gun game, it appears to be a great game, just the visuals aren't next-gen in the least bit. I can admit that. Activision put out some half ass games on the visual tip, considering they think they are close to EA in terms of 3rd party.
 
So... MS has embargos on online media because they have most likely made deals with various print media. The embargo is due to their slow lead time. What is the big deal again?

Oh wait, I take that back. The launch is obviously a huge disaster that MS is trying to cover up! PGR3 doesn't really exist. MS is doooooomed!
 
Cerebral Palsy said:
So... MS has embargos on online media because they have most likely made deals with various print media. The embargo is due to their slow lead time. What is the big deal again?

Oh wait, I take that back. The launch is obviously a huge disaster that MS is trying to cover up! PGR3 doesn't really exist. MS is doooooomed!

Can we close the thread now? That's really all there is to it.
 
What seemingly half the posters in this thread don't get is that the issue is whether reviews for launch games will be out before the 22nd. As a launch day XB360 buyer, I want to see reviews before spending my money. Particularly, at least a day in advance, so I don't have to quickly scan websites before running to Toys 'r Us.
 
Cronox said:
What seemingly half the posters in this thread don't get is that the issue is whether reviews for launch games will be out before the 22nd.
No, we get it. We're just asking you guys by what arcane black magick we are supposed to review games if publishers don't send them to us prior to their release.
 
Kobun Heat said:
No, we get it. We're just asking you guys by what arcane black magick we are supposed to review games if publishers don't send them to us prior to their release.

fanboy review plz. look at the screen shots from the publisher and just guess. that'd be fine.

also please use OMG and lol as much as possible.
 
Kobun Heat said:
No, we get it. We're just asking you guys by what arcane black magick we are supposed to review games if publishers don't send them to us prior to their release.

It just means that there's a problem, and a larger one if a majority of launch games are this way.
 
Cronox said:
What seemingly half the posters in this thread don't get is that the issue is whether reviews for launch games will be out before the 22nd. As a launch day XB360 buyer, I want to see reviews before spending my money. Particularly, at least a day in advance, so I don't have to quickly scan websites before running to Toys 'r Us.

Again, here's the problem: you've already decided to give MS your money. They've won. Why should they change their policy? It worked on you and thousands of others. They'd rather gamble that you maybe buy one less game because of a hypothetical good review than you cancel a very real pre-order because of a likely bad review(s).
 
Kobun Heat said:
No, we get it. We're just asking you guys by what arcane black magick we are supposed to review games if publishers don't send them to us prior to their release.

Kobun, it's easy!

First, you agree to Microsoft's reasonable and industry-standard NDAs and print/online embargos, completely standard (as you pointed out) in film, music, books, etc.

Then, you reveal that you TOTALLY HAD YOUR FINGERS CROSSED and put the reviews up! Syke!

Then, you don't get any support from Microsoft for the next five years. But those launch reviews, man! You totally owned MS (I mean M$ lol)

EDIT: If Microsoft were trying to influence WHAT people were saying about the system and their games, then there'd have a problem. The only think they're asking people to hold back on is WHEN they put up their reviews. Film, book, and music critics publish their reviews the week a movie, hardcover, or album come out. Day-and-date, in the case of newspapers. Just because the Internet is instantaneous doesn't mean you deserve to get everything Right Now Waaah. So calm down, and try to do something useful with the next three weeks, like getting used to the idea of 7.0 scores for Rare games lol!
 
It's been said, but do you really need to be playing Xbox360 games minutes after they've been on sale? The world won't come crashing to a hault if you wait several hours on launch day before online pubs get their reviews up. And if you're thinking of preordering certain games, you've probably made up your mind what you want anyways.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I think most reviews that matter come out before the mass release of the product. Book or film. And if they don't, it's because the publisher withholds the product, raising a whole 'nother question. Not telling the review sources they can't talk about them before they are sold even when it's slightly before, when they actually have the book/film. But apparently the game press doesn't have that option.
And where do you think the press gets prerelease copies from?

If publishers and distributors give away free copies of their product prior to release, they have the rights to set terms of how and when they're covered. No one is forcing journalists to accept the products.

If you're going to complain about anything, it's that news organizations are willing to accept free copies of $50+ items, not that they're willing to agree to the terms that come with them.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
Well Japanese reviews are quite literally bought for most the time. But again, the media here has access to those games. Apparently they have access to final 360 games. But the scope of the hole is larger, true. What about the handheld launches? I guess this is a particular MS practice on this scale.

Dude, you just don't know how this all works. Embargoes are NOTHING NEW! And you largely have Nintendo to thank for the practice. My days at EGM were filled with having to fuck around with schedules and page counts to deal with their embargoes. Nintendo review games that had to be played in just a few days because the ONLY way to get your hands on their new games was sitting there with a Nintendo representative while you played a LOCKED box (an N64, GBA, GameCube, whatever, that had a huge, metal lock over it). Of course, the Nintendo rep was never allowed to leave the room while the games were hooked up to the TV.

This is not an MS thing. This is not a conspiracy. Everyone does it. No one's being paid off. It's the nature of the industry. You get access to product when the publisher decides to give it to you. And oftentimes that's on the stipulation that you don't run any coverage until a certain date or issue (generally the issue that hits newsstands the same month as the game, and for online, generally no reviews until the day the game ships).

Heck, I've got two GBA games sitting right here on my desk that I could have run reviews on weeks ago, but I'm not allowed. Not because I got some sort of payoff from the publisher, but because I have these games based on the agreement that my reviews will not run until a certain date. And for the record, neither game came from Microsoft.

I wish I had even half the money I should based on everytime someone like you gets on a message board and shouts "playola!"

So basically what you get is this: game journos respect agreed-upon embargoes and NDAs, meaning you don't get the info until game publishers want you to, but you still get it in a timely fashion. Or they break said agreements and embargoes, meaning you get all that info early...once. Because after that first time, there's no way said website/magazine gets any sort of cooperation from those game publishers again, and game coverage becomes months late instead of hours or days.

It's a shitty arrangement, sure, but stop trying to make it something more than it is. No one is being paid off. This practice is as old as game magazines. It's not something new. And it's definitely not a Microsoft thing.
 
I bet the same people dogging MS for what they may or may not have done in terms of keeping games from being reviewed are the same people that said Nintendo were smart for hiding console specs. Insane .
 
stewy said:
So basically what you get is this: game journos respect agreed-upon embargoes and NDAs, meaning you don't get the info until game publishers want you to, but you still get it in a timely fashion. Or they break said agreements and embargoes, meaning you get all that info early...once. Because after that first time, there's no way said website/magazine gets any sort of cooperation from those game publishers again, and game coverage becomes months late instead of hours or days.

It's a shitty arrangement, sure, but stop trying to make it something more than it is. No one is being paid off. This practice is as old as game magazines. It's not something new. And it's definitely not a Microsoft thing.

I don't think any of you guys are getting rich off it or anything. It just seems to me that they rely on the specialty press as much as you rely on them and there should be some balance between the access to games and all the marketing you guys do for them. That in return you can review or speak about games with honesty in a fashion that is timely and useful to the consumer. I mean, how often do you see previews that openly discuss problems in games? But I bet they love when journalists do them. I suppose if only a few of you did things different, the less scrupulous among you would get earlier access. But all sources are not thought of as equal in the review world and some are quite large organizations themselves.

I see that it's not just a MS thing. I was told that they were blocking all reviews on all launch software until after launch though, and that seems a new occurrence. But obviously I was making a big deal out of what is standard practice and a quite acceptable one to most people at that, so I'll go sell crazy somewhere else :lol

Thanks for your explanation, though.
 
Speevy said:
I never said it died. But I expect the charts (top 20?) to be lined with X360 titles for November and December.

Does anybody not?


*Raises hand*

That simply isn't possible.
 
Look, I like a good ol Microsoft lynch mob as much as the next guy but some of you just don't seem to get it. Isn't the fact that review publications recieve games earlier than the Gold date a privelege from the publisher and not a right? Back in the day I remember when game magazines had to wait like everyone else but back then we weren't nearly as picky with our game selections. Shoot, MS, Nintendo and Sony, if they wanted to, could not only make these people wait like everyone else to play their games but they could deny them anything at all forcing them to buy their own shit. They are in NO position to negotiate with the Publishers especially console manufactureres. For every Game pub that drops out in protest another one would take its place and gladly do whatever MS, Sony or Nintendo wants them to do.

If you suspect that something fishey is going down then DON'T BUY a 360 until AFTER you read the reviews. Is that so hard to do?
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I don't think any of you guys are getting rich off it or anything. It just seems to me that they rely on the specialty press as much as you rely on them and there should be some balance between the access to games and all the marketing you guys do for them. That in return you can review or speak about games with honesty in a fashion that is timely and useful to the consumer. I mean, how often do you see previews that openly discuss problems in games? But I bet they love when journalists do them. I suppose if only a few of you did things different, the less scrupulous among you would get earlier access. But all sources are not thought of as equal in the review world and some are quite large organizations themselves.

I see that it's not just a MS thing. I was told that they were blocking all reviews on all launch software until after launch though, and that seems a new occurrence. But obviously I was making a big deal out of what is standard practice and a quite acceptable one to most people at that, so I'll go sell crazy somewhere else :lol

Thanks for your explanation, though.

I can see where you're frustrated, but you need to remember that game mags/websites are a business, too. This doesn't mean they need to kowtow to publishers in what they say about their product, but it does mean that they follow certain schedules and, yes, must abide by NDAs and so forth.

I'll let you in on a little secret, too. A lot of game professional websites and magazines will actually hold back reviews if they're allowed to run them too early. Say I have a review copy of...I dunno...Magna Carta, and I have it early enough to run it in my November issue. Then I find out that my December issue will actually hit newsstands before the game itself is released. Believe it or not, a lot of times the decision is made to hold that review for a month, just so the magazine with the coverage will be out there at the same time the game is released, which would supposedly be the same time that interest in said product is at its peak.

Nothing to do with publishers there. These are factors that are considered when making coverage decisions.

Something else I want to clarify is that I've NEVER been told what I can and can't say about a game in a preview. Previews are largely positive, that's true. But that's a decision made at the editorial level, not by the game publisher. The only direction I've ever gotten from a game publisher regarding a preview build is a list of bugs (implying that those bugs have been tagged to be fixed, which, admittedly, doesn't always happen), and sometimes a list of content they'd rather you didn't talk about (this is usually to hide massive spoilers. Like...say, the final boss or certain surprise game levels).

Otherwise, the largely positive previews you read are almost always just the journos giving the game the benefit of the doubt. And personally, I agree with it to a point. If I'm playing a game that's months away from completion and the framerate is shit, what is gained by pointing that out? The game has loads of optimization time ahead of it, and to point out this supposed flaw before the game is complete is being pretty unfair to the product, as well as feeding the reader with potentially bad information, as you always assume that games will get to a more playable level as they near completion. That's why you never read about things like random game crashes and other technical issues in previews.

What I will say is that previews should be critical to a point. Like, say, if the planned multiplayer mode is disappointing (think a FPS with nothing but standard deathmatch or something). Those are things that, I agree, should be talked about in previews. Otherwise, you're right, it's just a big marketing circle jerk.

And honestly, we can speak about games in a fashion that's honest and timely. I think the biggest issue here is that your idea of timely is different from mine. You obviously want reviews weeks in advance. A lot of people within the industry consider timely as being within days of the product's launch.

Of course, I say all of this not knowing what kind of restrictions Microsoft has put on the launch games. If you're right, and there is some sort of embargo until AFTER launch, then that's total bullshit. But I don't believe that's the case.
 
Shaheed79 said:
If you suspect that something fishey is going down then DON'T BUY a 360 until AFTER you read the reviews. Is that so hard to do?

Look at you with your fancy logical brain!

Has anyone checked to see when PS2 or Gamecube games were reviewed in Japan in relation to their launch in that territory?
 
Jerkface said:
Whether it's good or bad they'll all be right for some people and all be wrong for the rest!


Just the shear amount of posts and topics about PDZ will provide me hours upon hours of entertainment. I wish I knew about this board when Halo 2 launched :(
 
Doesn't it take time to actually play the games and time to write the reviews? Maybe journo's are just ensuring we get the best, most indepth, informative and well written reviews ever.
 
Xellotah said:
Doesn't it take time to actually play the games and time to write the reviews? Maybe journo's are just ensuring we get the best, most indepth, informative and well written reviews ever.

Either that, or they've run out of zingers.
 
Reilly said:
Just the shear amount of posts and topics about PDZ will provide me hours upon hours of entertainment. I wish I knew about this board when Halo 2 launched :(

Unfortunately most of them will be "M$ paid them with teh moneyhat$$$$" if the game gets 9+ average or "AHAHAHAHAHHA RARE SUZXXXZXXXX" if it gets anything less.
 
Everyone, AND I DO MEAN EVERYONE , who posted in this thread after Superpac SHOULD NOT MATE !!!!!!
That dude used to write for a print magazine (and still does, I reckon) in the fine tradition of canceled Ziff davis magazines (XBN, GMR, GAMENOW R.I.P. Fuck Gamefan in both ears!) called GAMENOW. I would GUARANTEE that he would know more about NDA's and such than most of the people in this thread. *gives finger at monitor*
 
Gameplay>Graphics said:
Everyone, AND I DO MEAN EVERYONE , who posted in this thread after Superpac SHOULD NOT MATE !!!!!!
That dude used to write for a print magazine (and still does, I reckon) in the fine tradition of canceled Ziff davis magazines (XBN, GMR, GAMENOW R.I.P. Fuck Gamefan in both ears!) called GAMENOW. I would GUARANTEE that he would know more about NDA's and such than most of the people in this thread. *gives finger at monitor*

I post on a messageboard. Ergo, I know the ins-and-outs of absolutely everything -- including NDAs and the like.

BTW, I hope you realize you've cursed yourself with a sexless life since you posted after Superpac. You've also cursed "stewy" aka Greg Sewart, another Ziff employee who might know a thing or two about this subject.

FUCK GAMEFAN YO!!!
 
Gameplay>Graphics said:
Everyone, AND I DO MEAN EVERYONE , who posted in this thread after Superpac SHOULD NOT MATE !!!!!!
That dude used to write for a print magazine (and still does, I reckon) in the fine tradition of canceled Ziff davis magazines (XBN, GMR, GAMENOW R.I.P. Fuck Gamefan in both ears!) called GAMENOW. I would GUARANTEE that he would know more about NDA's and such than most of the people in this thread. *gives finger at monitor*

that's exciting.

to further clarify, I thought the directive was that MS wasn't allowing reviews until launch day or after. Which seems sleazy. But apparently everyone seems to be saying we'll get lots of reviews a few days before. Which is more business as usual, I agree.
 
Basically, only the biggest of the big are getting systems before launch, too. How can people write about the games (that also have to come from Microsoft) if they don't even have a system to play them on?

From what I understand, you have to be very well-connected to even be receiving a console for free to do your work. The rest of us have to go to the store like everyone else.

Also, don't be so quick to throw broad strokes of "bought reviews" around. Many of us, especially freelancers, hardly even deal with publishers in any meaningful way. You can bet that what we're writing is exactly what we think of the game. I've never had a review for Computer Games Magazine get edited because of something a publisher wanted changed. Most of them appear verbatim from the text I submit and don't even get edited by the Editor-in-chief. I've also never had a score changed in six years of writing.
 
Look, poor old Musashi, who is normally a good kid, is getting hammered here, so here's a last attempt at a reasoned end to this dumb post.


1. NDAs and embargos are the norm for ever publisher.
2. Some 360 reviews are already out (Gamepro) completely eliminating the broad consipracy.
3. The online reviews will go up as normal - day of, or day before release.
4. Some print publication will appear shortly on this very forum, in scanned or paraphrased form with a metric shit ton of reviews.
5. COD2, Kameo, PGR3, NBA2k, RR6 will get mostly 8s and 9s. PDZ will get at least one 9 and one 7.
6. Magazines will freak out as they realize they also have to review thousands of Xbox Live Arcade titles. Geometry Wars 2 will get 9s.
 
Dave Long said:
Basically, only the biggest of the big are getting systems before launch, too. How can people write about the games (that also have to come from Microsoft) if they don't even have a system to play them on?

From what I understand, you have to be very well-connected to even be receiving a console for free to do your work. The rest of us have to go to the store like everyone else.

Also, don't be so quick to throw broad strokes of "bought reviews" around. Many of us, especially freelancers, hardly even deal with publishers in any meaningful way. You can bet that what we're writing is exactly what we think of the game. I've never had a review for Computer Games Magazine get edited because of something a publisher wanted changed. Most of them appear verbatim from the text I submit and don't even get edited by the Editor-in-chief. I've also never had a score changed.


I think it's probably very uncommon for reviews to be changed due to publisher interference, I wasn't suggesting as much. I wasn't calling out the smaller outlets who I'm sure get treated a lot more shabbily because you're not as important to the marketing plan. At least you have to worry less about biting the hand that feeds you. On the other hand, it's very likely that IGN, Ziff, etc. will be able to post reviews based on full hardware and software before launch. Maybe not, but I think so.

Again, in the ebgames thread, blackace suggested that Microsoft was pulling major muscle to make sure reviews were delayed till after launch. I assumed he had a broader view of that from reporters than I did by way of GAF internally, etc. I'm not trying to make this into a broad, outlandish conspiracy theory. I just think if their doing that it's a bit loathsome and the major outlets should handle things as they always do.
 
I hope they do post something before the launch date, because I'm as curious as everyone else how the launch games will score. I'm sure there will be a little score inflation. There almost always is with launch games because of the newness of the console.

Microsoft claiming supply is tight isn't just a rumor. There are folks I know that probably should be receiving systems that just aren't. If there is anyone to blame for when the reviews appear, it's definitely on that end and not in the gaming press. Either way, we're all at the mercy of the publishers when it comes to receiving product for reviews. That goes all the way from EGM down to the tiniest of web sites. It's their game. We can't review it until we have some code to play. :)

Anyway, thanks for that first sentence. It's frustrating to see other people claim that we're all bought and paid for when I've met only one or two people in this industry that I ever thought could be influenced in any way by publishers. We may get stuff early sometimes, but that doesn't mean we're afraid to tell you it's crap.
 
Stinkles said:
Look, poor old Musashi, who is normally a good kid, is getting hammered here, so here's a last attempt at a reasoned end to this dumb post.


1. NDAs and embargos are the norm for ever publisher.
2. Some 360 reviews are already out (Gamepro) completely eliminating the broad consipracy.
3. The online reviews will go up as normal - day of, or day before release.
4. Some print publication will appear shortly on this very forum, in scanned or paraphrased form with a metric shit ton of reviews.
5. COD2, Kameo, PGR3, NBA2k, RR6 will get mostly 8s and 9s. PDZ will get at least one 9 and one 7.
6. Magazines will freak out as they realize they also have to review thousands of Xbox Live Arcade titles. Geometry Wars 2 will get 9s.

He's spillin the goods everyone!
 
all i care about is a madden and a general system/live review, which we will get when the pepsi packs get delivered. im pretty sure COD2, PGR3, and PDZ will be good. ill just have to wait to pick up live/2k6 after other people post their opinions
 
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