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Trump, GOP senators introduce bill to slash legal immigration levels
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Jzero
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Too bad this isn't applied to U.S. citizens
PingPongvonLaserstein
Member
He does this bizarre thing where he'll place extreme emphasis on a seemingly random word, and follow it with an uncomfortably long pause. Every time I hear it, I fall into the trap of expecting something of note to follow. Then, I remember he's just an idiot.
Turbo Killer
Member
I wish. I remember coming to this country and going to high school with US born citizens who could not fucking read, my mind was blown.
Palette Swap
Member
That glass house looks really dangerous, dude. Be careful there.
I'm not so sure about that :
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Mr. Giggles
Member
Come to Canada.
We got legal immigration down to a science
We got legal immigration down to a science
leatherhat
Member
I think something that is lost in the debate over immigration is the changing economy. Lots of people will speak about how their great grandparents came over without an education or English skills and became successful. The economy of 2017 cannot be compared to the economy of 1917. Blue collar jobs are, and have been, on a decline- which is only going to speed up. Factory jobs are all but gone, farming is increasingly automated; truck and taxi driving, maid work, fast food jobs all increasingly automated. There just isn't work for unskilled people.
Governments should be looking at ways to help people who will not be able to work, not bringing in more unskilled labor. I am 100 percent behind a merit based system. This is a great idea for the US, so it will never pass.
They are very similar. Canada might even turn out to be stricter once more details come out.
I'm sure Trump will be happy with the ringing endorsement of the plan!
Governments should be looking at ways to help people who will not be able to work, not bringing in more unskilled labor. I am 100 percent behind a merit based system. This is a great idea for the US, so it will never pass.
They are very similar. Canada might even turn out to be stricter once more details come out.
I'm sure Trump will be happy with the ringing endorsement of the plan!
rokkerkory
Member
This the gop party who would even vote for these fucks
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Heh..
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Can I laugh at the farmers that voted for trump that end up having nobody to help them?
Cause I am going to laugh at them.
Cause I am going to laugh at them.
Wait a little bit for the newspaper article about it. It's a certainty there'll be many.
Meanwhile crops are literally rotting in the fields because farmers can't get enough farmhands to pick them, but yeah, the problem is that we don't have any work for unskilled labor.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/06/immigration-farm-workers-employment-trump/
Here's the thing about immigrants: they eat food and live in houses. Their presence creates more demand for goods, which itself leads to more demand for labor. The idea that we can "run out of jobs" is not at all sensible.
metalslimer
Member
I was literally just about to post this.
Does someone want to actually post research about how Americas legal immigration practices are currently hurting the economy? Because you can compare the situation to Canada all you want we are not the same economy
DontBeThatGuy
Member
It's amazing, seeing where I live swing wildly to Trump (in part because of xenophobic bullshit) while the young run away to different states, and the workforce gets older, unhealthier, and opioid addicted. There's always been quite a bit of turnover in farming industries and it's getting much worse.
Immigration is a plus in this country (always has been), not a negative, and anyone pushing for less of it are selling bullshit for no doubt shady purposes.
leatherhat
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It doesn't matter how much demand for labor there is when the labor is done by machines. There will be bumps, like the ones in your article, but the current economic system is going away. The need for people to do work decreases everyday.
https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...d-security-rural-jobs-unemployment-technology
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...nese-firm-to-open-worlds-first-robot-run-farm
At the point at which work is so unnecessary that we don't need unskilled labor, what possible justification could there be for not letting immigrants into the country? They can't hurt the economy! We have no labor requirements! Either everything is free or everybody is starving to death while the 1% move to New Zealand. Either way, closing your borders makes no sense.
Trump and his cronies won't be in office forever.
I don't get it. You're basically just restating what everyone who says Make America Great Again is already saying.
You might as well just use the original phrase since they mean the exact same thing to Trump supporters.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Bills against legal immigration...legal....in my country built on immigration....
...here is my thoughtful retort to this.
FUCK YOU!
...here is my thoughtful retort to this.
FUCK YOU!
Gentleman Jack
Member
Have fun paying 3x to eat out and 5x to buy from your local grocery.
CaviarMeths
Member
Yeah, I think this is where I'm at too.
leatherhat
Member
I always find it interesting when people use higher grocery bills to justify mass immigration. As if the fact that businesses exploit a massive slave labor class doesn't bother them at all.
Sunster
Member
na just for voting him in we don't deserve it.
leatherhat
Member
The general idea would be to have large taxes on increasingly automated businesses that would then pay for a basic income for citizens who cant get work. Very difficult for a system like that to be solvent if the amount of people that would need to be on it is very large.
Why would it be difficult for a system like that to be solvent? If labor is free, scaling up automated businesses to whatever level is necessary is also free.
If there's a problem with solvency, maybe the government should just own the automated businesses.
I'm not unfamiliar with the idea of the crisis of affluence. It just makes no sense as a justification for restricting immigration. If we have enough cheap stuff that people don't have to work, then people don't have to work. Scale shouldn't really matter when the price of labor is zero.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Gentleman Jack
Member
The point isn't to stymie any attempts at immigration reform. Corporations that abuse undocumented labor should absolutely face penalties and their workers be given something other than the endless hardship and physical breakdowns they find themelves in. But the topic here is legal, migrant labor, much of which is spent in agriculture, service and hospitality industries that would wither to nothing when plans such as these are put into effect.
The point is to remind folks of the benefits they reap from the status quo, which is that migrant labor takes up jobs that nobody wants to do and maintains a very high standard of living for every american without depressing total wages or sapping the workforce participation of the native population.
Benefits that are very frequently glossed over whenever xenophobic sentiment swells and bands together to keep out those dirty brown people who are trying to make a better life for themselves in a country founded on the idea that immigrants can come together and make the world better.
Blackpanther25
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So essentially the rest of world will go through the same visa process as Africans.
Last I remember, adult children and distant relatives of US citizens and Perminant residents of African descent are usually kept in visa limbo for about 5-20 years.
Elderly parents are provided temp visa for caregiver purposes. Part of the visa process in Africa is checking how much money is in the applicant's bank account, their occupation, and English competency.
Last I remember, adult children and distant relatives of US citizens and Perminant residents of African descent are usually kept in visa limbo for about 5-20 years.
Elderly parents are provided temp visa for caregiver purposes. Part of the visa process in Africa is checking how much money is in the applicant's bank account, their occupation, and English competency.
leatherhat
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I want to live in your world where demand follows production and not vice versa, and where the Earth has infinite resources to be harvested forever.
Hahahahaha
Oh wait, you seriously think the GOP would consider that or is doing this with that in mind? Let me laugh harder.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
leatherhat
Member
Automation has improved, and is improving rapidly. Right now cheap migrant labor is cost effective for them, but over time that will change. Technology will improve and become cheap enough that it will be more cost effective and businesses will switch over to that (you see it happening already) regardless of the level of unskilled immigration allowed.
No I don't. I never insinuated that I did. I'm honestly not sure where you got that. My only guess is that you don't like what I have to say about the subject and are just trying to swat my arguments away.
leatherhat
Member
Double post sry
Necessarily, if labor is valueless, it is free to acquire. That's...how that works.
Uh, I mean, if the finite resources of the Earth are an argument for restricting immigration, they're an equally good argument for literally murdering everybody else so that we can have all the resources.
I don't think this is a good argument! In a world with infinite labor we should probably work on sustainable resources.
leatherhat
Member
Where are you getting the idea that labor would be free? Labor will be done by machines, but that will still have costs attached.
It would be good for the Earth if the human population declined to a level where resources could be better sustained. Most people would think that a managed decrease in birthrates would be best- you for some reason jumped to large scale murder.
You seem to be unable to think outside of extremes.
You said "the general idea is" in regards to limiting immigration. This bill is being put forth by the GOP and the Trump administration. Sooooo...who is it then? If you don't believe that then why bring it up as a counter argument and present it as "the general idea"?
Sociopath. I wish we could trade you for any random prospective immigrant.
leatherhat
Member
The general idea behind a successful, largely automated, society. A society that can survive the future worker displacement automation will cause.
Noted. It's a true blight.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
This goes against everything America stands for
Royal_Phalanx
Member
So in an automated society people will be confined to their place of birth? Even if those other countries have basic income? Doesn't sound particularly appetizing. Basic income should free citizens of countries with basic income from most immigration restrictions. Since their country of birth will be paying for them, after all.
leatherhat
Member
If a country wants to continue to pay a person who immigrates away, that's up to them. Though it certainly sounds like a bad idea, and I can't imagine many countries would be interested in doing it.