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Trump removal bills gains traction
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Dr. Benton Quest
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The president is clearly mentally ill.
Republicans don't care.
This bill won't pass.
Republicans don't care.
This bill won't pass.
CrocMother
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Might as well draft a bill that removes the president of most of his powers altogether.
whitemex88
Member
fix your quote.
but thanks for the link
but thanks for the link
Doesn't have a chance in hell... honestly these guys should be more focused on 2018 midterms, fighting tooth and nail on things Republicans try to do like pass the shittier Trumpcare and less about trying to make Mike Pence President. A 25th Amendment to try and remove Trump, damn. If by now he hasn't been impeached, nothing will get him impeached.
Pence who would be a lame duck president supported by no one and destroyed in 2020?
I mean, I don't see this going anywhere without some kind of catalyzing (and horrible) deed that he winds up doing. But this weekend really made it clear that he is mentally unwell. That CNN gif was just pathetic and sad, really. I can't even laugh because it's just awful how long it will take to wipe this guy's fingerprints off of the office of the presidency.
Anyone with an actual sense of the president's responsibilities knows that he is incapable of handling the role in his present state, but that doesn't mean they'll act on it.
Anyone with an actual sense of the president's responsibilities knows that he is incapable of handling the role in his present state, but that doesn't mean they'll act on it.
ShadowSwordmaster
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yankeehater
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Quote fixed.
I....could see this passing.
I think maybe people are thinking of this bill in the context of the Trump diaster and all the "hurr durr Republicans wont do shit talk" but this is a bill, apperently with constitutional basis that could give congress a substantial increase in power. Congress won't look lightly at that aspect.
"Trump removal bill" is probably a poor title to describe this.
I think maybe people are thinking of this bill in the context of the Trump diaster and all the "hurr durr Republicans wont do shit talk" but this is a bill, apperently with constitutional basis that could give congress a substantial increase in power. Congress won't look lightly at that aspect.
"Trump removal bill" is probably a poor title to describe this.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Might want to get rid of the period at the start.
yankeehater
Member
Thank I didn't even notice that.
SolarPowered
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Suck it, Pelosi
I know Trump isn't going anywhere until Mueller moves at the very least, but still
Lastgengamer
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If only the House members could order Trump to take some sort of evaluation using the 25th Amendment showing he's unfit to lead.
whitemex88
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that would be a giant clusterfuck of accusations about biased Dr.'s and whatnot.
LostMyNarbles
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I know they say it would be a bipartisan commission, but I have to wonder what kind of checks and balances would go into place to insure one side of the aisle doesn't abuse something like this.
Is being a total fucking idiot really mental illness?
ShadowSwordmaster
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No problem.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It might be worth a shot, but employing a (relatively) undemocratic process to kick out a democratically elected president might not go over so well. Clinton and Obama were right when they talked about the dangers of not accepting the results of the election back then, and they're still right now. If you want to pull something like this off, you'd need over 60% public support, and I'm not seeing that happening anytime soon. If they do it wrong, the Democrats risk having this backfire.
Dr. Benton Quest
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I know that it's easier to think that he's only a moron, but it's pretty clear he suffers from some form of dementia too.
RPGCrazied
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At this point every house/senate member of the Democrat party should be supporting this.
Imperfected
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Incapability to reason is more or less always traceable to an illness of some sort, whether it's a genetic condition, prior trauma, advanced senescence, etc.
I suppose in the hypothetical case where someone was just monumentally stupid with no governing cause it might not be considered an illness, but that's just not how cause and effect generally work in neurology.
DiscoJer
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I realize that people really, really hate Trump and for good reason, but bills like this have the massive potential to be abused.
Any time the other party controls Congress they will be tempted to use this rule. The impeachment rules have a higher bar and that's been abused in modern times.
Any time the other party controls Congress they will be tempted to use this rule. The impeachment rules have a higher bar and that's been abused in modern times.
The Electoral College itself isn't very democratic at all, so whatever
Dangerous idea to put Congress in charge of the 25th amendment removal procedures. That part of the 25th amendment was designed to prevent a scenario where, during the Watergate scandal, there was a night where Nixon got very depressed and drunk and his aides were going around telling folks like the Secretary of Defense to ignore his orders, for fear that depression-Nixon could end the world.
That's why the 25th amendment is triggered by the cabinet. It's designed for only when the people close to the president agree that they have been incapacitated by illness or have gone off the deep end to the point where they are a threat as commander in chief and need to be removed.
To put it in Congress' hands would make it a tool to kick out any President they don't like.
That's why the 25th amendment is triggered by the cabinet. It's designed for only when the people close to the president agree that they have been incapacitated by illness or have gone off the deep end to the point where they are a threat as commander in chief and need to be removed.
To put it in Congress' hands would make it a tool to kick out any President they don't like.
He seems a bit detached from reality but it could just be he is too stupid to know what he is doing.
I would've gone with "sociopathic narcissist with zero regard for anything resembling human decency or moral fiber."
It's not easier to think anything. I just think it's silly to make an armchair diagnosis that he's 'mentally ill' when the explanation is probably a lot more simple - he's a venal, stupid asshole.
Then again, who knows. We've already had one sitting president with a rotting brain, though no one seems to care about that much anymore
Eh, pressing forward at this point only helps forward the narrative that the Russia stuff is a nothingburger and investigations won't turn up anything. There's more than enough smoke there to trust that there's some convincing ties they'll be able to leverage, once results come back.
Go too hard for impeachment without an airtight case and the Republicans will just be able to more effectively whip their base into a froth about Dems being unfair to Trump.
Go too hard for impeachment without an airtight case and the Republicans will just be able to more effectively whip their base into a froth about Dems being unfair to Trump.
Widdle Puppy
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The floodgates opened when R nuked the philibuster for the SCOTUS.
I think we are only going to see more rule changes and hardline tactics like this from here on out and I welcome it.
Tal Shiar Agent
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You'd think that the CNN wrestling tweet would be enough to trigger the 25th.
I agree there's no harm in talking about it considering how big of a topic it would be anyway, but it is true it's not going to happen unless maybe his national support goes down to about 10%.
BlastProcessing
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Even if this bill passed the 25th Amendment requires the Vice President's active consent.
yankeehater
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The vice president gets to decide to make himself president? That doesn't seem right.
BlastProcessing
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The Vice President plus the majority of the Cabinet or any other body the Congress chooses. The logic is that the VIce President is the next in the chain of command, so he needs to be on board with the whole thing.
Probably depends on how deep into his shit Pence is, or if he'd be ".... yesyesyesYES GET RID OF HIM HOLY FUCKING SHIT DO IT OH MY GOD I CAN HAVE MY LIFE AGAIN PRAISE JESUS."
JoeyJungle
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iirc it requires the consent of the President unless he's incapacitated. The only way to overrule is with the VP and all cabinet members iirc (could be a supermajority of the cabinet? I can't recall).
basically a pointless bill, impeachment is the only feasible way to remove Trump.
Why? Long-term, it will destroy the democratic foundation.
But it looks good to the base.
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