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Trump trade war: US Senate unanimously votes to cut tariffs on hundreds of Chinese goods

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“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
As trade tensions escalate between Washington and Beijing, the US Senate quietly passed legislation on Thursday that would lower trade barriers on hundreds of items made in China.

With no debate, the Senate unanimously passed a bill that would cut or eliminate tariffs on toasters, chemicals and roughly 1,660 other items made outside the United States.

Nearly half of those items are produced in China, according to a Reuters analysis of government records.

The United States and China, the world’s two largest economies, are increasingly at loggerheads over trade.

US President Donald Trump has announced a series of punitive tariffs on Chinese imports in a bid to halt a Chinese surge in high-technology industries that threatens to displace US dominance. China has retaliated with its own duties on imports from the United States.

The White House has not publicly taken a position on the so-called miscellaneous tariff bill, which has now passed both the Senate and the House of Representativesunanimously. The two chambers need to resolve minor differences before they can send the legislation to Mr Trump to sign into law.

Supporters of the bill have said it would boost the economy by getting rid of tariffs set up to protect industries that no longer exist in the United States. The National Association of Manufacturers has said US businesses pay $1m a day on such import duties.

“It makes no sense because it is a direct and punishing tax on making things in America and for creating jobs in America,” the trade group’s president, Jay Timmons, said in a prepared statement celebrating the bill’s passage.

Among the beneficiaries are companies that have moved production offshore.

Hamilton Beach Brands Holding Co (HBB.N), for example, would pay reduced tariffs on Chinese-made toaster ovens, steam irons and other household appliances it used to make domestically.

Some domestic manufacturers have complained the bill would undercut their business by making it easier for rivals to bring in cheap foreign goods. They said the bill punished smaller firms that lack the ability to defend their interests in Washington.

The version of the bill that passed the House in January included 145 items that are made domestically, according to a Reuters analysis.

“There’s no reason to block opportunity US manufacturers might have for rebuilding our manufacturing base,” Michael Korchmar, the head of a family-owned travel goods company in Florida, said in a phone interview earlier this month.

Mr Korchmar earlier this year planned to hire up to 30 workers in his Naples, Florida, factory, but he put those plans on hold after being told by Reuters that the bill would lower tariffs on an insulated food bag that he planned to produce.

Mr Korchmar said he may yet decide to expand production, because Democratic Senator Bill Nelson removed that item from the bill after Reuters wrote about it in March.

“We’ve got a good shot - we’ve lost a good bit of time and we have to re-evaluate the market,” Mr Korchmar said.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-cut-tariffs-toasters-chemicals-a8466501.html


Sanity has prevailed......well somewhat. Thoroughly looking forward to the Presidential tantrum on Twitter though. Should be very dignified as usual lol
 
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Panda1

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Well done! You want China to have a competitive advantage over you and to steal all your IP!
You just played yourself! Why not move to China you get all the advantages and can live under socialism!! Oh wait you cant move to China since they have requirements on education!
 
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Well done! You want China to have a competitive advantage over you and to steal all your IP!
You just played yourself! Why not move to China you get all the advantages and can live under socialism!! Oh wait you cant move to China since they have requirements on education!

Despite China's competitive advantage our companies are making tons of money over there. Yes equal playing field IP is fantastic, but companies have profits to make, competitors to beat, and shareholders to appease.

China won't give up their competitive advantage and we cannot brute force it via short-term solutions like momentarily tanking their economy (minus war), so we have to play the long game and make sure that we are more influential in trade. TPP was pretty powerful. Obama figured this shit out pretty quickly.
 
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Does this mean President Winnie the Pooh has beaten the US in the trade war?
 

Panda1

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Despite China's competitive advantage our companies are making tons of money over there. Yes equal playing field IP is fantastic, but companies have profits to make, competitors to beat, and shareholders to appease.

China won't give up their competitive advantage and we cannot brute force it via short-term solutions like momentarily tanking their economy (minus war), so we have to play the long game and make sure that we are more influential in trade. TPP was pretty powerful. Obama figured this shit out pretty quickly.

China competitive advantage has nothing to do with anything recent. Their joining the ITO was the biggest mistake and every single advantage has been given to them by the West. Consumers want lowest prices over ethics this is obvious, that what drives Chinese advantage noone in th West gives a fuck if its made by slave labour - GOP or Dem. This aint a partisan issue at all. Either you trade with anyone equally no matter their human rights record (luckily lots of countries forgive US's record so you get lucky there) or set some limits or tariff where one side is using un-natural or illegal advantages the buying country does not.
 

Super Mario

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Despite China's competitive advantage our companies are making tons of money over there. Yes equal playing field IP is fantastic, but companies have profits to make, competitors to beat, and shareholders to appease.

China won't give up their competitive advantage and we cannot brute force it via short-term solutions like momentarily tanking their economy (minus war), so we have to play the long game and make sure that we are more influential in trade. TPP was pretty powerful. Obama figured this shit out pretty quickly.

Well of course many companies are making tons of money over there. Although you have to think of why that is. Is it because China is some magical place of innovation? Or is it because they are a place of IP theft, pollution, human rights violations, currency manipulation, tariff discrepancies, etc? Could you imagine if the US did those things here? As someone who usually makes Liberal posts, I'm shocked that you wouldn't see this as an opportunity to help the American worker.

You are right about one thing, China will not give up their advantage. You ask them to do so, and they laugh. It is laughable that you give Obama credit for figuring out trade with China.
 
Guess while Russia into USA network, China is into USA pockets :)
Cannot wait for more powerful China - all those stunts it's gonna pull :ROFLMAO:
 
This is good because itll prevent the entirety of the consumer driven economy from blowing the fuck up.

It's sad though because congress can get together to protect industries so swiftly, but they won't sack up to help people in need of healthcare.
 
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Well of course many companies are making tons of money over there. Although you have to think of why that is. Is it because China is some magical place of innovation? Or is it because they are a place of IP theft, pollution, human rights violations, currency manipulation, tariff discrepancies, etc? Could you imagine if the US did those things here? As someone who usually makes Liberal posts, I'm shocked that you wouldn't see this as an opportunity to help the American worker.

At this point if you wanna benefit citizen workers you gotta look domestically.

IP won't change, but China used those other means to excel rapidly. They've come so far with pollution, and probably are better than we are now tech wise, but they just won't be cleaner due to their features. China is trying to move to being a consumption economy, which means they want more imports of goods. At this point it doesn't matter how they got there, but where they are going, and our ability to respond and stay ahead.

Companies make money there because of the amount of consumers there, as well as being able to sell to big markets around the world for cheaper prices. The american economy benefits tremendously with cheaper prices, we need them as much as we need higher paying jobs.

You are right about one thing, China will not give up their advantage. You ask them to do so, and they laugh. It is laughable that you give Obama credit for figuring out trade with China.

He didn't figure out trade with them, but he was developing a strategy that caused China to adapt strategically, and secured our power more. Hence why they rejoiced when TPP was gone, as worrying as it was. If the U.S. government and U.S. corporations win internationally, it doesn't necessarily much for our workers.

And yes China does laugh at the world over IP stuff, and they keep pulling "Okay we'll comply.....NOT!!!" like NK does.

China is not the country anyone wants running things, nor is Russia while Putin is around, nor India in the far future due to their ways. The U.S. and EU are so important, and the U.S.needs to do more for its workers.
 
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China won't give up their competitive advantage and we cannot brute force it via short-term solutions like momentarily tanking their economy (minus war), so we have to play the long game and make sure that we are more influential in trade. TPP was pretty powerful. Obama figured this shit out pretty quickly.

The TPP was extremely weak.

If Obama had it all figured out then why was there so much pushback? Why isn't TPP law if it was such a powerful deal?

Pres. Trump correctly recognized the TPP was false advertising.

It was a free trade agreement dominated by things that have no connection to trade. It was designed to enrich people who don't matter at the expense of others. It's an old story Americans have seen too many times.

Trump came into the picture and said no deal.

I'm not sure why people who believe in free trade are giving Trump such a hard time.

Trump is standing up to countries that say they believe in markets but use a slew of govt interventions to distort competition.

Trump is saying enough is enough. Drop the protectionist policies or America will do whatever it takes.

If you don't think Trump can succeed and his trade policies will fail, then you're going to have to come up with a better solution than pass the TPP.

It was canned for a reason. And the trash bin is exactly where it needs to stay. The people behind it are a big reason Trump is in charge.

TPP is not a workable solution so I'm confused why some are so desperate to revive it. Americans at large aren't dumb enough to let you pass the TPP because multinationals and investors win big. That's not a deal that will receive the seal of approval from the forgotten men and women of the US.
 
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