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Trump's first year as a president

Just about as reasonable as contending that being happy about some tax cuts means laughing maniacally wishing all others to burn in hell.

More like laughing at people who think that trickle down actually works. And that the people thrilled about their extra buck fifty while the people who don't need those cuts get hundreds of thousands.

People who dislike the tax cuts fall into two parties; Ones who actually want the people happy about the tax cuts to actually get more money from them, and those who want more taxes that would help with the factions in every person's life that is financed by the state and government. That's it.
 

RPGCrazied

Member
Heard he is having a rally right now, and heard on twitter he said “Sleepy eyed Chuck Todd…son of a bitch I will tell you”!

Are people really proud to have this immature brat as President? Not this guy.
 

dolabla

Member
Heard he is having a rally right now, and heard on twitter he said “Sleepy eyed Chuck Todd…son of a bitch I will tell you”!

Are people really proud to have this immature brat as President? Not this guy.

I mean I can see why some might not like it, but I personally think it's hilarious. His rallies are always pure entertainment. He connects with his crowds really well.

This is what drew many to like him was his outspokenness instead of a regular politician programmed like a robot (public position and private position). You might not like it, I might not like some of it, but it's Trump being Trump. He's his own person.

As someone who's been disgusted with both parties, he's a major breath of fresh air. He's really stirred the hornets nest in DC.
 
I mean I can see why some might not like it, but I personally think it's hilarious. His rallies are always pure entertainment. He connects with his crowds really well.

This is what drew many to like him was his outspokenness instead of a regular politician programmed like a robot (public position and private position). You might not like it, I might not like some of it, but it's Trump being Trump. He's his own person.

As someone who's been disgusted with both parties, he's a major breath of fresh air. He's really stirred the hornets nest in DC.

And the results of that are a widely divided country that will never heal.

Hope that's worth your entertainment. Is your normal life that boring that you need to watch someone act like a drunk reality contestant in order to find any value?

"He's his own person" my ass. Dude has several hands stuck up his ass and will sing the praises of whoever complimented him last.
 

Airola

Member
And the results of that are a widely divided country that will never heal.

Well, it doesn't as long as people say things like this. You can't blame everything on the president. A lot of blame should fall on the people's shoulders too. This was annoying to listen to when Obama was the president and it's still as annoying now when Trump is the president.
 

dolabla

Member
And the results of that are a widely divided country that will never heal.

Hope that's worth your entertainment. Is your normal life that boring that you need to watch someone act like a drunk reality contestant in order to find any value?

"He's his own person" my ass. Dude has several hands stuck up his ass and will sing the praises of whoever complimented him last.

The country was long divided way before Trump ever came along. Fact is most Dems don't have any plans to ever work alongside Trump with messages like #resist and #impeach. Impeach for what? Because he ruined "her turn"? Some people are just so asshurt he won the election.

Trump is highly entertaining. I do enjoy him being able to joke around with his crowds and have a good time instead of being a programmed robot. That's what makes him an interesting character.

He destroyed two political dynasties (Bush's and Clinton's) in one year and I will forever be grateful for that. Two politicial dynasties that have actually done horrible things and destroyed countries around the world. But I know, Trump says mean things.
 
Well, it doesn't as long as people say things like this. You can't blame everything on the president. A lot of blame should fall on the people's shoulders too. This was annoying to listen to when Obama was the president and it's still as annoying now when Trump is the president.

Oh it's not only Trump's fault at all. But he's obviously one of the many dog whistles that got us to this point. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/us/anti-semitism-adl-report.html
 
The country was long divided way before Trump ever came along. Fact is most Dems don't have any plans to ever work alongside Trump with messages like #resist and #impeach. Impeach for what? Because he ruined "her turn"? Some people are just so asshurt he won the election.

Trump is highly entertaining. I do enjoy him being able to joke around with his crowds and have a good time instead of being a programmed robot. That's what makes him an interesting character.

He destroyed two political dynasties (Bush's and Clinton's) in one year and I will forever be grateful for that. Two politicial dynasties that have actually done horrible things and destroyed countries around the world. But I know, Trump says mean things.

Impeach for what? Maybe breaking campaigning laws? Conspiring with a foreign government? We had 8 goddamn investigations on Bengazi and this gets shoved under the rug by the republican Senate and house? If this was Obama, they would of immediately put it through. If Obama ever said "Take their guns first", he would of been immediately impeached. When someone with an R does it? Crickets. Meanwhile, Dems are doing stuff like caving to Trump on the Wall and healthcare, and the idiots been turning them down. This bullshit both sides are the same needs to stop right here.

You're proud you elected an internet troll to the most powerful position in the country because you're bored. Just like most trolls. Admit it. And you have no idea what that means and/or don't care.
 

TrainedRage

Banned
Impeach for what? Maybe breaking campaigning laws? Conspiring with a foreign government? We had 8 goddamn investigations on Bengazi and this gets shoved under the rug by the republican Senate and house? If this was Obama, they would of immediately put it through. If Obama ever said "Take their guns first", he would of been immediately impeached. When someone with an R does it? Crickets. Meanwhile, Dems are doing stuff like caving to Trump on the Wall and healthcare, and the idiots been turning them down. This bullshit both sides are the same needs to stop right here.

You're proud you elected an internet troll to the most powerful position in the country because you're bored. Just like most trolls. Admit it. And you have no idea what that means and/or don't care.
Yep people become apathetic when they are forgotten and left behind or put in back of the line. Can you blame them? Because if you do you are part of the problem you are describing.
 

Blackie

Member
A majority of historians/political scienticists/respected pundits would say he had one of the worst or flat out the worst first years ever and that is where I fall on this question. People can change and improve but this individual has not ever shown such a capacity for improvement in his life that I am aware of.
 

Airola

Member
A majority of historians/political scienticists/respected pundits would say he had one of the worst or flat out the worst first years ever and that is where I fall on this question. People can change and improve but this individual has not ever shown such a capacity for improvement in his life that I am aware of.

Sure, if they'll use "news scandals" as the basis for their data.
 
The country was long divided way before Trump ever came along. Fact is most Dems don't have any plans to ever work alongside Trump with messages like #resist and #impeach. Impeach for what? Because he ruined "her turn"? Some people are just so asshurt he won the election.

Trump is highly entertaining. I do enjoy him being able to joke around with his crowds and have a good time instead of being a programmed robot. That's what makes him an interesting character.

He destroyed two political dynasties (Bush's and Clinton's) in one year and I will forever be grateful for that. Two politicial dynasties that have actually done horrible things and destroyed countries around the world. But I know, Trump says mean things.

Statistics show that the U.S. has one of the worst educational systems of all the developed countries. Really hard to believe when you get such incredible insight and awareness on Neogaf posts on a daily basis.
 
Statistics show that the U.S. has one of the worst educational systems of all the developed countries. Really hard to believe when you get such incredible insight and awareness on Neogaf posts on a daily basis.

What statistics?
If we look at the 2015 PISA results, the US is above the OECD average on reading and science, while below it in math (lost 11 points from 2012, in 2012 it was above Sweden).
There's objections to be had to the PISA tests, but I'm curious in regards to what statistics you were referring to.
 

RPGCrazied

Member
Wow, another one bites the dust. Now its Tillerson! This is so normal losing your Secretary of State barely a year into his term. What a circus.
 

JDB

Banned
Shhh let the morons expose themselves for using Twitter as their news source.

https://www.apnews.com/3ca2915f8a9549c6aad72a6544a53cc5

The State Department said Tillerson only learned of his termination when he read Trump’s tweet on Tuesday morning. Two senior department officials said Tillerson received a call from John Kelly, Trump’s chief of staff, on Friday, but was only told that there might be a presidential tweet that would concern him. Kelly didn’t tell Tillerson what the tweet might say or when it might actually publish, according to the official, who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly on the matter and demanded anonymity.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...eo-to-replace-tillerson-as-secretary-of-state

The 65-year-old Tillerson took a middle-of-the-night phone call from White House chief of staff John Kelly on Friday during his Africa trip, telling him that the president was planning to replace him, according to two officials. He then spent the weekend fighting for his job between stops in Africa. Still, a top State Department official said Tillerson was blindsided by Trump’s telling the world he was ousted in a tweet.

:shrug:
 
Supposedly Trump is getting rid of everyone this year: kelly, Ivanka, Kushner and more.

Would have accomplished more if you had real people there in the first place.
 
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Deleted member 12837

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280 characters, so many details.

Because no one ever tweets links to news articles 🙄

Just take the L and move on. You tried pulling the same thing in another thread too and got rightfully called out.
 
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KINGMOKU

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Please, don't backpedal. We know exactly what you mean. At least own it like you did above. I'm sure most people have at least some compassion and kindness to others rather than "I and mine come first, everyone else gets whatever is left over, if any".
I like conversation, I don't like the weak minded trying to twist words, or make it as if I'm saying something I'm not.

I stated exactly the same thing I did the first time. No back peddling. Family first. Tax cuts work for me and mine. That's not "fuck you got mine" That's looking out for who's the most important to me. Unapologetically.

Now answer what the man above asked you. Its not whataboutism, its called answering a question. You dont like it because you already know the answer. Its the same as mine. You know it, I know it, and everyone else reading this knows it. Don't be embarrassed that you will always save you and yours first. Its called being human.

Welcome to the club.
 

Sàmban

Banned
280 characters, so many details.
What hot take?

*cringe

lol, bruh get off this "buh twitterrrr" high horse; the tweets you are bitching about have links to news articles that you didn't even bother to read. How has the irony of all this not smacked you in the face? Did you just complete freshman journalism or something and now you think you're Jordan Peterson?
 
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Btw, this might be insensitive, but am I the only one who likes to look over the Election Night thread for PoliGaf and the official election night thread now and then? There's just something about the hubris that's fascinating to me and it's like a shut-off ecosystem, showing how the dynamics of conversations can work when smugness takes over and later hits you right back in the face. That's not to say that I wasn't expecting Hillary to win, but I surely wasn't near as sure as PoliGaf repeating their talking points. And I wasn't really invested in the election, being Norwegian and all, and mostly had an academic interest in the election. Can't imagine the churning of their stomachs through the night.
 
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I like conversation, I don't like the weak minded trying to twist words, or make it as if I'm saying something I'm not.

I stated exactly the same thing I did the first time. No back peddling. Family first. Tax cuts work for me and mine. That's not "fuck you got mine" That's looking out for who's the most important to me. Unapologetically.

Now answer what the man above asked you. Its not whataboutism, its called answering a question. You dont like it because you already know the answer. Its the same as mine. You know it, I know it, and everyone else reading this knows it. Don't be embarrassed that you will always save you and yours first. Its called being human.

Welcome to the club.

No, that's exactly what you're saying. You're drawing a hard line, an us vs them scenario where one doesn't exist where you're saying. Such as that question, it's way too black and white. But if you have a chance to save both, even if it's slim, don't you try for both? That's where we are at right now, except the solution is way easier. There's solutions to save both, but you don't ever want to assume that anyone is on your side. It's us vs them with you, a prime example of "Fuck you, got mine". Who knows, maybe I'd save the countless people on the train over my own son. Maybe you would too. Maybe I believe that my son's on the train when it's my wife on the tracks and I'll have to make a choice. Could be that one would think that the kid will get the hell off the tracks when he sees a train coming full steam at him. You'd never know what you'd do with your back against a wall and seconds to decide. We could do this all day if we start playing hypotheticals. Luckily, that has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation. You're just making it such because it supports your 'viewpoint'. Which is why the claim of whataboutism came into play.

You and people who think like you made this into an us vs them scenario. You don't get the chance to play the moral high ground now.
 
Yep people become apathetic when they are forgotten and left behind or put in back of the line. Can you blame them? Because if you do you are part of the problem you are describing.

People might be growing apathetic towards those who constantly vote against their own interest because of religion and conspiracy theories. It's kind of hard to feel pity for the guy who voted for Trump but will lose half his land if the wall gets built.

So yeah, I can blame them with a clear conscious if they continue to screw themselves.
 

David___

Banned
People might be growing apathetic towards those who constantly vote against their own interest because of religion and conspiracy theories. It's kind of hard to feel pity for the guy who voted for Trump but will lose half his land if the wall gets built.

So yeah, I can blame them with a clear conscious if they continue to screw themselves.
Or all those coal miners who decided to put all the eggs in the Trump basket hoping he'll bring back a dead industry instead of reeducation services. There's only so many times you can try to help people who don't want to be helped
 

TrainedRage

Banned
People might be growing apathetic towards those who constantly vote against their own interest because of religion and conspiracy theories. It's kind of hard to feel pity for the guy who voted for Trump but will lose half his land if the wall gets built.

So yeah, I can blame them with a clear conscious if they continue to screw themselves.
Or all those coal miners who decided to put all the eggs in the Trump basket hoping he'll bring back a dead industry instead of reeducation services. There's only so many times you can try to help people who don't want to be helped


You are basically saying you don't have any empathy for people who voted for the wrong presidential candidate? And fuck people who think an industry could be renewed, yeah screw em! Politicians pander to get votes, so lets just punish all those morons dumb enough to believe in them. Right?
 

David___

Banned
You are basically saying you don't have any empathy for people who voted for the wrong presidential candidate?
I have empathy for people who accidentally burn their hand by touching a hot stove when they meant to grab the handle on the pan.
What I don't have empathy for is when people hold their hands over the fire thinking this time it won't burn them.

And fuck people who think an industry could be renewed, yeah screw em! Politicians pander to get votes, so lets just punish all those morons dumb enough to believe in them. Right?
Politicians pander, sure. That doesn't remove the responsibility from the voter at all though.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Sorry, can't afford an editor or someone to stand by and blackjack me over the head after three or four paragraphs, but it's at least 60% related to your post. ;b I tend to work things out by putting them to paper, and this subject requires a lot of looking back and pondering from different angles.

Btw, this might be insensitive, but am I the only one who likes to look over the Election Night thread for PoliGaf and the official election night thread now and then? There's just something about the hubris that's fascinating to me and it's like a shut-off ecosystem, showing how the dynamics of conversations can work when smugness takes over and later hits you right back in the face. That's not to say that I wasn't expecting Hillary to win, but I surely wasn't near as sure as PoliGaf repeating their talking points. And I wasn't really invested in the election, being Norwegian and all, and mostly had an academic interest in the election. Can't imagine the churning of their stomachs through the night.

GAF was one of the top five referring websites in the world to Hillary's campaign site, as reported by Vice. You would've been hard-pressed to find a more intense pro-Hillary stronghold on the internet.

Initially I was all "huh, neat," at seeing such a dramatic statistic for what has always been a video game forum first and foremost, but I became increasingly concerned by it and by how discussion had shaped in such a unilateral direction. Even during the primaries, a handful of people PMed me about how any Sanders supporters were being unfairly suppressed, but when I looked into the specific bans mentioned by the folks who contacted me I didn't spot foul play. Part of the prob was how much political talk was centralized in the PoliGAF megathread. Fast-paced subcommunity megathreads end up resembling chatrooms with cliques and inside jokes and thread-specific jargon and attitudes. I didn't follow the PoliGAF megathread, several mods did and everything on their end seemed to be on the up and up I thought, and I'm not keen on dropping into one of those threads like that and acting heavy-handed with no understanding of the context there (e.g. banning people for calling each other "cunts" in the ill-fated Footie thread didn't make a lick of sense).

Looking back, though, whatever went down in the PoliGAF megathread had repercussions across off-topic and somehow Hillary ended up being the mod-enforced Official Candidate, far as I can surmise, at least as far as some of the politically active mods were concerned. By the time that became somewhat apparent, we were onward to the GE, and while I'm not a Hillary fan and thought she ran a godawful campaign full of cringe-inducing lip service to minority groups and youth demos and any other boxes deemed necessary to check that she clearly didn't give a shit about, etc. etc., (and as someone who voted for Obama I certainly had not forgotten her thinly veiled racially charged attack ads), I was 100/100 Not Pleased with the character and credentials and mob ties and Russia ties of the opposition, and by that point I probably would've had to hire professional masochists to out themselves as Rs on here with how hostile the community had become toward any viewpoint not their own.

I'm sure there were a lot of meltdowns at the election result on here, but there were a lot of meltdowns about it IRL too. LGBT friends were in tears knowing that Obama's executive orders on their behalf would be on the chopping block straight away, etc., and it was sad sights like that all around socially here in Austin. Tensions were really fucking high out in the world in the subsequent days, too. Protests, riots, confrontations between citizens and hate groups, a lot of unrest, and some of it right next to my home. Hadn't ever experienced that kind of election stateside in living memory. Things were different and at times unrecognizable.

It was after the election on here, though, that I became completely disturbed by the the social and political discourse on off-topic. Later I uncovered that bish had secretly banned hundreds of users...basically all the moderate regulars...and everything went completely off the rails at that point. Trump voters all deserved to die, not disowning any family members who voted R got you piled on and vilified, etc. etc. Straight up scary and juvenile and militant behavior. I know a lot of non-US folks here felt alienated by the extremely disproportionate talk and weird identity politics where everyone assumed everyone else was American even though gaf is majority non-US, etc. I tried mass locking and consolidating threads to balance things out but everyone was so worked up and effectively demanded to be miserable and only talk about good ol' POTUS and his latest tweet and how shitty and irredeemable the world was (never mind all-time-high quality of life for the species I s'pose).

WRT the election, I was very much concerned about the potential loss of LGBT rights, withdrawal from the Paris Agreement, unnecessary mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, travel bans disproportionately targeting Muslims, the end of net neutrality, and overall corruption and disregard for long-standing decorum of the office that was immediately on display, but there were some folks on here talking about getting together for armed revolt, and even trying to cool off those notions got me painted as "The Enemy," or defending Jon Stewart's even-handed words about his first-hand experiences with poor, rural Americans (where he was repeatedly branded a race traitor here, among other things), or any other time I personally stepped in with an appeal to civility and reason. Any time I posted there would be multiple account suicides @ me on the spot. I assume by then it was just a matter of time before something catastrophic went down and off-topic disowned me or whatever you want to call it. Things got so warped with identity politics that I was being told I wasn't "allowed" to moderate my own site because of the white guy in the avatar under my username. Fuckin' hell. I only ever wanted discussion here to be about the content of the message, not the color or sex or official oppression level of the person posting it.

Should've acted sooner and done more and trusted certain mods less (or not at all). After 20 years sometimes you think you know someone, sigh. 2017 (and some of the lead-up in '16) was one of the worst years of my life, though, so I was not exactly on my A game as the showrunner here when I needed to be the most and needed to be making hard but necessary moves left and right. I don't know if it would've mattered for a lot of the aforementioned, but I'm fairly certain I would've tried to do more after the Bish incident if I had anything left in the tank at that point. I did a big investigation personally and unbanned a boatload of people, but I think the forum and I needed a Talk. Or a lot of Talks. I definitely should've engaged more and been firmer, investigated some other mods and likely removed a few of them, and maybe things would've played out differently and the nuclear powderkeg that formed wouldn't have been as extreme. Dunno. Never could've anticipated getting #metooed tho.

So many moving parts to the whole thing and how politics ended up going off the deep end here. Personal stuff pulling me away, ongoing policy failures on my part that added up over the years I think due to my own biases, internal politics and major backstabbing in the team, current events that all tied in to the culture that formed, a bunch of pent-up resentment off-site that had been festering for a long time (contributed to a toxic us vs them mentality over time I think)...there were people literally full-time, every waking moment, talking about me obsessively on reddit and elsewhere that I was made aware of. Like 16/7/365. Most people on the internet who dislike me prolly just think I'm an asshole or whatever, but maaan, there's a subset of actual crazy in the mix too that wanted me ruined or dead, or so stated at least. Probably not ideal to have that sort of interest your way under any circumstances if there's going to be a happy ending, lol. That sort of stuff made me a lot less comfortable about having an online life on here or anywhere else; hopefully understandable, but unfortunately only increased the distance between me and the community.

There's more to it that I hold myself accountable for: for a discussion forum, there wasn't much discussion on the table whenever it came to the conservative end or people of faith and several other groups, which all got weeded out little by little over time, and that shouldn't have been the case. Way too much emphasis on American politics and social issues, too, for such an international forum. Way too much negativity for a place that was supposed to be escapism from the shitty real world. I was too political myself, at times inappropriately self-righteous. While not determining factors I don't think, everything still adds up.

Considered splitting off-topic into a separate website, too, but there was very little we could even hypothetically do until the platform migration went through (nearly impossible to push any changes or updates to our modded and hacked vb3), and all the BS happened before the migration was finalized. Dunno if I would've gone through with a gaming/off-topic split or not, but it was on the table. Off-Topic in 2017 was MISERABLE. Gaming side was still home, but Off-Topic wasn't feeling that way anymore. Used to be that I talked with all the folks here and shared stories and went to meetups and gave fitness advice and cracked jokes and everything was fun and light-hearted the vast majority of the time. It stopped being that way, and turned into a giant ball of anger and militant groupthink.

Anyhow, just trying to learn from what happened and do better at this point, bounce back from some dark times I barely made it through, keep gaf alive and fun and worthwhile and diverse in the proper sense, etc. There's been steady recovery, though some folks clearly need to get their friends on here ;b, and we need less metacommentary (especially about other websites) and peer-to-peer hostility on off-topic (wtf @ today), but I'm enjoying running things and participating again, and I hope that's contagious! There aren't many traditional forums anymore, and this one's special to me.
 
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Deleted member 12837

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So all those people who threw the new CIA head under the bus are going to apologize for spreading fake news right?
https://www.propublica.org/article/...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1521153688

Or will they conveniently ignore this new news?

Pizzagate was fake news. It's deliberately spread misinformation. This was a mistake that was realized after new information and testimony came to light in response to the controversy surrounding Trump's pick. ProPublica has issued a correction for it, as have other news outlets (NYT, NBC, AP, NPR, to name a few)

Let's not water down the meaning of the phrase.
 

TrainedRage

Banned
Pizzagate was fake news. It's deliberately spread misinformation. This was a mistake that was realized after new information and testimony came to light in response to the controversy surrounding Trump's pick. ProPublica has issued a correction for it, as have other news outlets (NYT, NBC, AP, NPR, to name a few)

Let's not water down the meaning of the phrase.
Semantics, you don't think it was all planned out? The news broke like 30 min after she was named. That's a bit of a red flag IMO. It was an obvious attack that was only redacted because a lot of people (many in the intelligence community) refuted the story right from the get go. Big news agencies were publishing stories about this even after the original story was redacted. But yeah its not much of a surprise to me considering the hate boner so many people have for any little thing Trump does. It was pretty disgusting tho, what some people were saying about her.
 
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Deleted member 12837

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Semantics

One is a deliberate lie and one is a mistake. That's not semantics.

you don't think it was all planned out? The news broke like 30 min after she was named.

I'm not sure what you mean, the story that was just corrected broke in 2017. Unless you're suggesting this was a long con over a year in the making?

Big news agencies were publishing stories about this even after the original story was redacted.

Good journalists and news agencies do their own fact checking and investigations, so a delay would be expected while they follow up and confirm based on the latest information available. And as I already mentioned, many/all have now corrected the record.
 

JDB

Banned
It's funny people using the term 'Fake news' when the guy who made it popular and his cronies use it for every bit of news they don't like regardless of whether it's true or not.
 

longdi

Banned
I hope Trump holds back his madness, we dont want to disrupt the recovering global economy. The GFC was our great depression, and after which we had a few decades of progressing lives. I am looking forward to the long recovery, no more lost decades!
 

TrainedRage

Banned
One is a deliberate lie and one is a mistake. That's not semantics.

I'm not sure what you mean, the story that was just corrected broke in 2017. Unless you're suggesting this was a long con over a year in the making?



Good journalists and news agencies do their own fact checking and investigations, so a delay would be expected while they follow up and confirm based on the latest information available. And as I already mentioned, many/all have now corrected the record.


It's funny people using the term 'Fake news' when the guy who made it popular and his cronies use it for every bit of news they don't like regardless of whether it's true or not.

Yeah you are all right it was just a simple mistake. It had NOTHING to do with partisan politics and attacking Trump through surrogates. Nope just a simple misprint. :rolleyes: You people are so full of shit I wonder how your toilets can handle it.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
So all those people who threw the new CIA head under the bus are going to apologize for spreading fake news right?
https://www.propublica.org/article/...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1521153688

Or will they conveniently ignore this new news?

Did you read this entire article? She still had people tortured but ProPublica claimed the wrong person. She also tried to cover up the earlier tortures she was originally accused of by ProPublica. The article brings up that these will be the things she gets grilled on during her confirmation hearing. So no, she doesn't deserve an apology.
 
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Yeah you are all right it was just a simple mistake. It had NOTHING to do with partisan politics and attacking Trump through surrogates. Nope just a simple misprint. :rolleyes: You people are so full of shit I wonder how your toilets can handle it.

He never reads his own articles.
 

TrainedRage

Banned
Did you read this entire article? She still had people tortured but ProPublica claimed the wrong person. She also tried to cover up the earlier tortures she was originally accused of by ProPublica. The article brings up that these will be the things she gets grilled on during her confirmation hearing. So no, she doesn't deserve an apology.
So sorry if I don't believe a damn thing this 'news' source says. The information was taken from a book, its second hand at best.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
So sorry if I don't believe a damn thing this 'news' source says. The information was taken from a book, its second hand at best.

You linked it as a gotcha moment but deny it when your gotcha moment wasn't as great as you thought. Wow
 
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TrainedRage

Banned
You linked it as a gotcha moment but deny it when your gotcha moment wasn't as great as you thought. Wow
No just showing people news will print whatever they want to fuel a narrative. When they get called out they go 'woopsie daisy, now look at this other thing she did that super bad'. If you think that's a gotcha its on you bud.
 
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