TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One

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commedieu said:
Can we stop pretending this is about piracy?

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I mean really? And while we are at it, can we stop pretending that videogames are different than DRM for film/video/music? Can we stop pretending that piracy is bankrupting EA, and that any of this is justifiable?
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I'm lost: what does this have to do with the eSRAM yield issue?
 
AgentP said:
Rangers did get banned here a few months back, I forget his name here though. The fact that he can run amok along with eastman and a bunch of others is evidence of the mods bias. Did you see the mod BRiT join into the fanboy high five'ing there the other day? That place is a microcosm of a pro-MS world that does not exist anymore , every one else gets bullied into silence or just banned.
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apparently he's specialguy on here LOL
 
dr. apocalipsis said:
You was told right. Usually GB fabs for AMD, except for a few times they worked with TSMC.

AMD is the only company with x86 license from Intel that still active (not sure if VIA is still working on x86 or not), so no other company can design or sell x86 CPU's. So it's safe to assume that AMD will be the one taking care of DIE shrinks or later improvements on the chip (It's not a SOC).

Makes sense for both Sony and MS to reduce expenses doing so.
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TSMC only does bulk silicon. Amd has only 2 bulk silicon arch for x86 and that is bobcat and jaguar. Amd's GPU division has the deep partnership, for now, with TSMC that dates all the way back to ULI chipsets. Bobcat and jaguar could be made at Texas Instruments, Samsung or IBM if they ever needed more parts.
 
commedieu said:
Can we stop pretending this is about piracy?

20111210_WOC914.gif




I mean really? And while we are at it, can we stop pretending that videogames are different than DRM for film/video/music? Can we stop pretending that piracy is bankrupting EA, and that any of this is justifiable?
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In game advertising.
updatable in realtime
needs a consistant internet connection.
boom.

That said, wrong thread bro.
 
AgentP said:
Rangers did get banned here a few months back, I forget his name here though. The fact that he can run amok along with eastman and a bunch of others is evidence of the mods bias. Did you see the mod BRiT join into the fanboy high five'ing there the other day? That place is a microcosm of a pro-MS world that does not exist anymore , every one else gets bullied into silence or just banned.
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I'm not exactly sure how I'm running amok. I don't bash anything nor do I attack any poster.

I'm not pro anything other than games and ease of use . I prefer DD over discs . I used to have over 2 thousand dvds and hundreds of games for my xbox 360 / ps3 / ps2 / dreamcast/ psone , Saturn . The problem for me was room. I ended up selling all my dvds because the majority of them were on Netflix and i'd rather just stream them. Now instead of having all my walls filled with furniture to store games , I have one small 500 dvd case holder that I have my Disney animation in and the nfew disc games I've bought.

out side of a launch game or two for the xbox one , I plan to only buy digital next gen just like I only buy digital on the pc through steam unless I find a really good deal in a store.

So to me both sony and ms have similar policys . I can't trade in my DD games from sony . But MS lets me at least share with 10 close family friends.

I can see why some people who like to buy discs and do a lot of lending and trading can be upset with ms , however I am not one of those people .
 
Foxix said:
This thread is interesting regarding the downclock rumor. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=594436

Phil Spencer makes a statement that the Xbone is 3x as powerful as the 360 which would put it within the 800-900 rumored gflops range.
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That is a tad coincidental...

I was thinking they were going the shortage route and keeping the higher clock. Especially with some of the preorder allocation reports.
 
Suikoguy said:
That is a tad coincidental...

I was thinking they were going the shortage route and keeping the higher clock. Especially with some of the preorder allocation reports.
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Just when I was starting to believe the rumours of a downclock were not true, Phil Spencer pulls me back in. MS PR is really their own worst enemy.
 
I had the thread locked, I didn't want that to be a confirmation of anything. It was just funny to see conflicting answers yet again from MS.

I wouldn't take it as a confirmation of anything unless MS puts it in print on their site or something.
 
chubigans said:
I had the thread locked, I didn't want that to be a confirmation of anything. It was just funny to see conflicting answers yet again from MS.

I wouldn't take it as a confirmation of anything unless MS puts it in print on their site or something.
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Sorry for derailing your thread. I actually thought it would have made for a good read outside of the tangent :(

At this point I kind of feel like it's unlikely we'll ever get confirmation of anything. They'll probably end up going full Nintendo and never disclose any of their specs, they'll keep all the information... foggy.

Foggy like a cloud.
 
nib95 said:
Here's the specific moment. Mistake or not? Hmm..

Phil Spencer | Xbox One 3 times more powerful than the 360

Hopefully the console doesn't get a downclock. Just ride the low yield wave for the interim.
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It could be a mistake, but it does seem like he knows exactly what he's saying and there isn't any attempt to correct the statement after the fact.

I'm sure that if it was a mistake we'll hear something from Microsoft at some point.
 
DTKT said:
Is that how you calculate system power? That seems rather simplistic. Paging Durante.
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There isn't an exact science when comparing different architecture.

A basic measurement would be FLOPS, but even that is flawed.

I'd imagine the 3x quote was a mistake. You can never believe these figures anyway, especially when coming out of the mouths or execs or PR folks.
 
bobbytkc said:
Just when I was starting to believe the rumours of a downclock were not true, Phil Spencer pulls me back in. MS PR is really their own worst enemy.
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Even without the rumours that it is a stupid thing to say. Or maybe he wants people to say the Xbox One is three Xbox 360s ducktaped together?

You know, with all the jokes that Harrison is a mole; I'd start to suspect Spencer instead of Harrison.
 
Phire Phox said:
Mistake. 360 has 512 MB of Ram and The One Has 8 GB of Much Faster Ram. 16x the RAM of the 360. Not even factoring the GPU and CPU combo.
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Lawl that really not how you calculate power. Which is also ignoring the fact that the XBone will have about 5G's of RAM available for games.
 
Ok I have another question following on from some of my others. I have sweet fuck all knowedge of how graphics cards work dont think im trolling lol. When we have the x1 cpu being a 8 core chip at 1.6 ghz and the gpu rated at 1.2 tflops is the 1.2 tflops the max output of the gpu, or just the max output of the gpu in conjunction with the jaguar cpu? If by upping the clockspeed to say 1.8 ghz would that increase the tflops of the gpu? And so that leads into my last question, is the gpu that the x1 has ever going to reach its 1.2 tflops with that cpu?
 
flying dutchman said:
When we have the x1 cpu being a 8 core chip at 1.6 ghz and the gpu rated at 1.2 tflops is the 1.2 tflops the max output of the gpu, or just the max output of the gpu in conjunction with the jaguar cpu?
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Just the GPU. The CPU peaks at 0,1 TFLOPs.

flying dutchman said:
If by upping the clockspeed to say 1.8 ghz would that increase the tflops of the gpu?
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Yes, it scales linearly with clock speed.

(However, 1.8 GHz is impossible to reach with that architecture)

flying dutchman said:
And so that leads into my last question, is the gpu that the x1 has ever going to reach its 1.2 tflops with that cpu?
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It reaches it without the CPU. ;)


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I think I misunderstood you. As hodgy100 correctly pointed out, the GPU's and CPU's clock speeds are uncorrelated.
 
flying dutchman said:
Ok I have another question following on from some of my others. I have sweet fuck all knowedge of how graphics cards work dont think im trolling lol. When we have the x1 cpu being a 8 core chip at 1.6 ghz and the gpu rated at 1.2 tflops is the 1.2 tflops the max output of the gpu, or just the max output of the gpu in conjunction with the jaguar cpu? If by upping the clockspeed to say 1.8 ghz would that increase the tflops of the gpu? And so that leads into my last question, is the gpu that the x1 has ever going to reach its 1.2 tflops with that cpu?
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The GPU and CPU are 2 devices the clock speed of the CPU doesn't change the performance of the the GPU and it will be always 1.2TFlops unless they change the clock speed of the GPU aswell
 
Kyon said:
Lol if they were saying it multiple times you'd think they knew the PR que cards by heart already
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mistakes happen. it's human nature.

I'd imagine that he was thinking ahead in the sentence and instead of the 8 that he wanted to say, he said 3...as in 360.

i've seen it happen in debate teams. we'd go over our specific points and every once in a while, something would get crossed up because we were thinking slightly ahead. In a live situation, there's no way to correct that and sometimes you don't even notice that you've done it.
 
Everyone knows it was a mistake, just fun to watch it happen :-P

It also just occurred to me, I don't think I've seen a Sony comment on how many times more powerful the PS4 is than the PS3.
 
Hard to say if there is a downgrade of an upgrade when all we have as reference point are the VGleak rumors.
All we know are the shader count and ops/cycle not enough to determine performance.
But ps4 fans dont have to be afraid the clocks needed to beat the ps4 is not doable and it will always have the advantage on paper.

Unless they replace the gpu but then you would be in more of a denial then microsoft executives.
 
DBT85 said:
Everyone knows it was a mistake, just fun to watch it happen :-P

It also just occurred to me, I don't think I've seen a Sony comment on how many times more powerful the PS4 is than the PS3.
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Because they have released the true power figure people can infer for themselves that it is pretty beastly.
 
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