Support NeoGAF

[Seomel]

No, old base ally is not worth it. Too many issues even if you dont like sw2 that much

AGRacing what did you have issue with non steam games? You can just download game repacks, unzip them while desktop mode and add .exe to steam and just enable proto compat. 99.9% will work just like that. If game needs installed(like gog, repacks wtc) its same process. Add exe to steam, launch it and select your local or sd storage to install, then just replace path and repeat first step.

 

[FudgeIt]

just save cash and get the steam machine

I want Diablo IV on handheld lol. Amongst other games

 

[AGRacing]

No, old base ally is not worth it. Too many issues even if you dont like sw2 that much

AGRacing what did you have issue with non steam games? You can just download game repacks, unzip them while desktop mode and add .exe to steam and just enable proto compat. 99.9% will work just like that. If game needs installed(like gog, repacks wtc) its same process. Add exe to steam, launch it and select your local or sd storage to install, then just replace path and repeat first step.

I was trying to play epic store, GOG, Ubisoft store, etc. I'm old and have a lot of owned games across many storefronts. There were solutions that would temporarily work for some games (junk store, etc) and then a steam update would break it or something else.

There are workarounds plenty… but once you get into those the argument of it being "simpler" than the Windows setup is dead IMO. You're installing dependencies, etc. A game won't boot with zero explanation. Then you're cycling through proton version and you might find one that works. It's simple - but only for steam native titles that show compatibility with Deck. That may fit what someone wants and it may not.

I haven't had a single issue installing any game from any source on my Xbox Ally X - can play anti cheat games and they all integrate very well with the Xbox interface which I like. I also installed Emudeck on this machine as well and it's been great.

So, for what I wanted, better.

 

[Seomel]

I was trying to play epic store, GOG, Ubisoft store, etc. I'm old and have a lot of owned games across many storefronts. There were solutions that would temporarily work for some games (junk store, etc) and then a steam update would break it or something else.

There are workarounds plenty… but once you get into those the argument of it being "simpler" than the Windows setup is dead IMO. You're installing dependencies, etc. A game won't boot with zero explanation. Then you're cycling through proton version and you might find one that works. It's simple - but only for steam native titles that show compatibility with Deck.

Just trowing this out there so some people might not be mislead, but Heroic launcher does what you explained there. Sure not gonna be as straightforward as using windows what its meant for.

Also there are no steam native games, all those games are pc games and they use proton, like all of them unless you have some odd one that have native linux version(and theres not many). Protondb plugin will show you compactability for all games in your library and usually you just use latest proton version as they are just getting updated for new support all the time.

Again, not as straightforward as windows, but sd is plenty basic.

 

[AGRacing]

Just trowing this out there so some people might not be mislead, but Heroic launcher does what you explained there. Sure not gonna be as straightforward as using windows what its meant for.

Also there are no steam native games, all those games are pc games and they use proton, like all of them unless you have some odd one that have native linux version(and theres not many). Protondb plugin will show you compactability for all games in your library and usually you just use latest proton version as they are just getting updated for new support all the time.

Again, not as straightforward as windows, but sd is plenty basic.

By "steam native" I mean games you own on Steam that have a compatibility profile (the green checkmark) that you just download and run.

I just don't want anyone who is claiming the Deck is easier to use (I don't think you are) in the next breath saying "oh go over to heroic launcher and do this". Heroic launcher is not difficult for someone who has been into computers for 20 years but it's certainly no picnic for someone who is a gamer first and an OS or computer expert second.

 

[Seomel]

By "steam native" I mean games you own on Steam that have a compatibility profile (the green checkmark) that you just download and run.

I just don't want anyone who is claiming the Deck is easier to use (I don't think you are) in the next breath saying "oh go over to heroic launcher and do this". Heroic launcher is not difficult for someone who has been into computers for 20 years but it's certainly no picnic for someone who is a gamer first and an OS or computer expert second.

Oh yeh, surely. SD is enthusiast device, but theres 5min guides on yt for all, its all stuff you learn same as everything.
Also green checkmark is useless, most devs dont bother submitting games for checks and sometimes ones who does get approval while being horribly performant. It was mislead a lot by media during sd launch how theres ''unsupported games'''because of just that one small icon, but like any normal game that doesnt have kernel level anti cheat it will work 99% of time. This is why protondb plugin is recommended

 

[Lokaum D+]

Switch 2 has Nintendo games and will likely get almost every third party going forward. Why trade that for some junk PC?

cause PC has Nintendo games too, SW2 ll come with time

also, can you play like this on SW2?

 

[VGA-Games]

Why would anyone trading Gold for Sh*t?

 

[FudgeIt]

Why would anyone trading Gold for Sh*t?

I rage because I just feel like paying $50-$70 for Nintendo exclusives is a waste?

 

[Codes 208]

Elden ring was in the 50-55 fps on medium settings on my ally z1e. Though i changed some settings in windows to get the same performance on battery as plugged in. Which is the real problem with pc handhelds you have to tweak and fiddle around to get the best experience.

The weird thing is i remember it running incredibly well on my old z1x too, but for some reason the xbox ally x chugged

The hybrid os may have something to do with that but idk (though its more likely ER's spaghetti coding )

 

[Seomel]

Switch 2 has Nintendo games and will likely get almost every third party going forward. Why trade that for some junk PC?

I wouldnt rely on sw2 having a lot of 3rd parties and most of time the ones that get released are kinda like worst versions between platforms. If thats sacrifice you wanna take - sure.

 

[Astray]

Is it though? You are talking about the Non Z1 extreme from 2023, I don't have that but the performance should be similar to the white Xbox Ally(Z2a). I heard even docked Cybperpunk on Switch 2 is only 40fps/1080p. I think the white Xbox Ally can simply surpass that by changing the TDP watt to 15 or 20. I just looked it up and South of Midnight is only 30 fps at 1080p on Switch 2, even without frame gen Xbox Ally easily surpasses that, I was getting around 50fps at 1080p.

White Xbox Ally was extremely buggy when it launched. Not sure if it's a good idea for anyone who wants AAA gaming.

Sorry. The Xbox Ally X (black) Z2E

Probably the best pc gaming handheld for the money out there but pricing is steep.

 

[Same ol G]

There are a lot of differences of opinions which is great but also not so great. I'm so close to buying a portal so I can play my Diablo and some other indies on premium+. This is over complicated.

Keep your S2 and buy a portal to play your ps5 games.
I use a Retroid device which also gives me android and emulation while being able to stream my ps5 games.
As many already pointed out, don't trade it for a low end Ally or an almost absolete Steamdeck.
If you're able to get your hands on a high end handheld device it would be a different story.

 

[duck_sauce]

cause PC has Nintendo games too, SW2 ll come with time

also, can you play like this on SW2?

Don't kid yourself. If you want Nintendo games you don't settle for "pc has Nintendo games too"

 

[Lokaum D+]

Don't kid yourself. If you want Nintendo games you don't settle for "pc has Nintendo games too"

But i can play them better on PC, why not settle for the best experience ?

 

[TanDad25]

I have the Rog Ally Z1E with an upgraded battery. It's a very handy PC form factor. When it fails, I will probably have to get a similar device. 99.99% of the time, I just use it for normal PC stuff, reading newspapers etc. I've even managed to do some emergency work on it.

 

[Ebrietas]

But i can play them better on PC, why not settle for the best experience ?

Which magical PC runs Mario Kart World with full online?

 

[Lokaum D+]

Which magical PC runs Mario Kart World with full online?

Oh no, pc doesn run 3 games of the whole Nintendo library, what will I do...

 

[deriks]

Apples and oranges. They're fruits, but two different things

If you want an Ally, my advice is to get X or wait for Deck 2. Switch 2 only has a year, mate

 

[Ebrietas]

Oh no, pc doesn run 3 games of the whole Nintendo library, what will I do...

Why do you think people are buying the console if not for its exclusives lol.