Wickerbasket
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It's hard to gauge how profitable the Gamecube was as the only financial numbers we have include the GBA sales, which was doing great at the time.
TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I don't see more than maybe one of those happening on Xbox launch. Maybe server issues. Who knows though, I guess.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
He's definitely joking. I thought it was serious and then I read some more, and I can sense someone smiling behind their keyboard.
He's not joking. He made similar posts at similar lengths in that Wii U GPU thread.
True
SenjutsuSage
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I did so from the very first time I said what I said, because I think there should be consequences when someone says something as definitively as I said it without providing all of you with any proof. And lol, no, that shouldn't be all it takes to resolve everything, but I knew I was going to get a ton of crap for saying what I said, especially when I'm relatively new here. Not new to register, just new to post regularly.
But they still did it and it was important heading into this generation. They absolutely needed to stay relevant and at least stay afloat with the cutting edge games through this generation.
KojiKnight
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Fixed that for you... we got some crazy ass statements from MicroGaf and SonyGaf so far too
This is the first time I've seen the term 'incompetence' in this thread and its directed at Nintendo, heh. Makes me feel MS is still getting the pass after all these major blunders. If Xbone is successful, there's nobody else to blame than blind consumers. How they even got away with the RROD disaster is still beyond me.
ViewtifulJC
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Deadly Cyclone, POST IF YOU'RE OK
MirageDwarf
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Didn't know he/she has been insider since back then. Always thought of him/her who showed up in last couple of years.
They don't think they can afford to give Sony the holiday season all by themselves, I guess.
prag16
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Not broke even? HA. Their games division lost well over 4 b-b-billion dollars (billion with a B) before they started scraping their way back slowly. At least 3 billion of that is still down the toilet.
EDIT: This has been posted here numerous times before, but just to give an idea: http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg
Stone Ocean
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Yeah, but the 3rd console curse was still there. Sony just managed to conquer it halfway through the console's lifespan.
Doesn't change that the first couple years for the PS3 were pretty unsightly.
Didn't stop them from releasing the 360 with a high failure rate.
Whiteshirt
Member
They knew who they were working with. If they assumed they could get good yields from TSMC/GloFlo and AMD, then Microsoft deserves all of this.
AMD is the company that ALWAYS has yield problems with new designs. Bulldozer had huge clock speed problems and Llano had huge problems too. What makes this 5 billion transistor chip any different?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
This post has very much a community manager/PR vibe to it.
whoever you are, you have been taught well about damage limitation.
Crazy Buttock's post have gotten more crazy over time, but going back to that thread I absolutely love this post:
Oh man, some early sightings of "BOMBA" in it's infancy. I always thought it came about DURING this gen, not at it's inception.
Remember how originally they were kicking around the idea of telling people "too bad" if their 90 day warranty was out? That Microsoft, always looking out for the consumer.
KojiKnight
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Also... what the hell happened with "AMD isn't building the processors, just designing them"? Seems to me that if they went with an ERAM design and it's not working, they should be speaking with whatever company they contracted to make the parts, not necessarily who designed them (and Microsoft isn't new to the hardware game, they knew what they'd be getting into with certain designs)
You get ton of crap because your information contradicts other proven insiders information.
Time will tell.
Not the politics, just the methods. But I guess those are the politics...
They basically do not want to launch too far after the PS4 and lose a year's worth of sales to Sony. Since there are already a ton of cross-gen games already coming out this fall from third parties, delaying even to Spring would mean potentially losing sales driven by better looking/running versions of those AAA titles.
It would make sense to delay it, but MS has already made their bed and now they'll have to sleep in it.
Nikodemos
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It was the only option which had, allowing for a fair bit of luck, a chance at overtaking MS while keeping the system simple and still relatively cheap.
Cerny receiving confimation on 8 GB feasibility was what spurred Sony's leadership to do that 20 Feb. pre-emptive strike. Its slightly stilted pace at some points is due to the haste it was concocted with.
The GOAT has spoken.
nhlducks35
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Things break y'know
I am still in shock at how big of a clusterfuck this is.
● The worst most, mis-communicated reveal in game industry history other than maybe Saturn.
● Once every 24 hour internet check just to be able to continue to play your games
● A horrendous proprietary used game system that gives pubs and Microsoft a 10% of the profits, thus ensuring the deals one can get on Used games are reduced and having less options for every gamer
● Complete inability to rent, lend or borrow games without paying a "fee", since every game must be installed. And the fee is the price of a brand new game, which Phil Harrison tells us to "think of it like a new game", because he is an abominable retard.
● Complete fucking tall tales and fabrications regarding the "Infinite Power of Cloud" which they did because...
● ...their system is a woefully underpowered trojan horse arbitrarily increased in price because of...
● ...a piece of shit dead-end gaming technology called "Kinect 2.0" which on top of being complete garbage for most genres, also is packed in with every system and...
● ...is also a horrendous invasion of privacy since it cannot be shut off without unplugging the system.
● A console which is also, after all this time, having massive eSRAM yield issues because Microsoft is caught rushing the One to the market.
● Also, contrary to the forward thinking Sony and - holy shit - Nintendo, they won't allow indies to self-publish. For no reason at all other than to be awkward, I suppose.
● Continuing this theme, they are also much, much further behind in supporting indies this go around than PS4 is, thus failing to capitalize on the good will engendered from Indies on 360.
● And they wasted their reveal talking about TV, TV, TV, TV, TV to do a function that nobody in their right mind would do if they had a DVR, to talk about sports and Kinect and have only two real games at their reveal.
● And is now liberally peppering all their attacks with a unhealthy dose of aggressive arrogance.
● On top of that gigantic shit sandwich, they have now also canceled their post-E3 media roundtable, presumably because they're tired of being eviscerated and embarrassed non-stop since January 2013. Once again, because of shit they did and no one else.
● Plus their presentation of their OS at the media reveal was confirmed to be completely fake, which wouldn't have been terrible except the entire time of the reveal they were trying to convince people it was real. "See how fast this thing moves!?"
● One final tip: Their dev tools are also comically behind its primary competitor.
Funny stuff that is just random and hilarious and not really life ending:
● And just for a cherry on top, because this final one is more hilarious than game changing or anything, Xbox Netherlands was caught borrowing images of PS4 exclusives to make their system look more appealing (thanks to JollyCorner for this tip)
DID I MISS ANYTHING GUYZ? Because holy goddamn shit at this point. This has been without exception the most biblical epic failure of console reveals, even topping the PS3's $599.99 just for its sheer confounding, aimless nonsense since the beginning of 2013. Not a single day has passed by without some relentless bit of tortuously negative Xbox One news.
The kicker? This is ALL Microsoft's fault and they should have seen the reaction coming a mile away since the problems they introduced of their own free will has been eviscerated among gamers and the press for years now, to say nothing of things like the Sim City or Diablo III debacle.
The proof is in the pudding. Holy goddamn fuck
● The worst most, mis-communicated reveal in game industry history other than maybe Saturn.
● Once every 24 hour internet check just to be able to continue to play your games
● A horrendous proprietary used game system that gives pubs and Microsoft a 10% of the profits, thus ensuring the deals one can get on Used games are reduced and having less options for every gamer
● Complete inability to rent, lend or borrow games without paying a "fee", since every game must be installed. And the fee is the price of a brand new game, which Phil Harrison tells us to "think of it like a new game", because he is an abominable retard.
● Complete fucking tall tales and fabrications regarding the "Infinite Power of Cloud" which they did because...
● ...their system is a woefully underpowered trojan horse arbitrarily increased in price because of...
● ...a piece of shit dead-end gaming technology called "Kinect 2.0" which on top of being complete garbage for most genres, also is packed in with every system and...
● ...is also a horrendous invasion of privacy since it cannot be shut off without unplugging the system.
● A console which is also, after all this time, having massive eSRAM yield issues because Microsoft is caught rushing the One to the market.
● Also, contrary to the forward thinking Sony and - holy shit - Nintendo, they won't allow indies to self-publish. For no reason at all other than to be awkward, I suppose.
● Continuing this theme, they are also much, much further behind in supporting indies this go around than PS4 is, thus failing to capitalize on the good will engendered from Indies on 360.
● And they wasted their reveal talking about TV, TV, TV, TV, TV to do a function that nobody in their right mind would do if they had a DVR, to talk about sports and Kinect and have only two real games at their reveal.
● And is now liberally peppering all their attacks with a unhealthy dose of aggressive arrogance.
● On top of that gigantic shit sandwich, they have now also canceled their post-E3 media roundtable, presumably because they're tired of being eviscerated and embarrassed non-stop since January 2013. Once again, because of shit they did and no one else.
● Plus their presentation of their OS at the media reveal was confirmed to be completely fake, which wouldn't have been terrible except the entire time of the reveal they were trying to convince people it was real. "See how fast this thing moves!?"
● One final tip: Their dev tools are also comically behind its primary competitor.
Funny stuff that is just random and hilarious and not really life ending:
● And just for a cherry on top, because this final one is more hilarious than game changing or anything, Xbox Netherlands was caught borrowing images of PS4 exclusives to make their system look more appealing (thanks to JollyCorner for this tip)
DID I MISS ANYTHING GUYZ? Because holy goddamn shit at this point. This has been without exception the most biblical epic failure of console reveals, even topping the PS3's $599.99 just for its sheer confounding, aimless nonsense since the beginning of 2013. Not a single day has passed by without some relentless bit of tortuously negative Xbox One news.
The kicker? This is ALL Microsoft's fault and they should have seen the reaction coming a mile away since the problems they introduced of their own free will has been eviscerated among gamers and the press for years now, to say nothing of things like the Sim City or Diablo III debacle.
The proof is in the pudding. Holy goddamn fuck
Mr.Monitor
Member
What a fucking champ.
shit i remember that post.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Ah, I see the Balmer Effect has fully kicked in.
demosthenes
Member
Reminds me of Tyrion Lannister.
how do you know they promised? maybe they warned microsoft, and microsoft ignored the warnings.
if the yields are still really bad they will effectively have done so even if they don't delay.
Fourth Storm
Member
I dunno which gen would actually be easier to port from. Take your pick: SIMD heavy PPC code or a 5 cpu core gap and massive difference in useable RAM? Wii U is kinda in no man's land
On topic, I believe MS will go with lower production rather than cut specs further. This eSRAM is real SRAM? How much die space must it take up? Sheesh...
3rd console curse. No one can escape!
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Cancelling the pre-show and the post-show roundtable at E3.
Stone Ocean
Member
Putting it in perspective, yep, this is pretty much the PR blunder of the century. It'll take real talent to trip this badly in this industry for years to come.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
As it should. I don't expect people to suddenly believe a poster they hardly know. People are simply doing what's reasonable, and I have no beef with that. The only aspect I disagree with is the gpu downclock. I agreed immediately that the ESRAM issues were in fact legit.
See, I don't agree with all of that up top. Nobody wants to connect their DVR into their Xbox One? I sure as hell want to if my Fios receiver is supported... It's an option, one that I happen to think is cool. I wouldn't care one way or the other if the console couldn't do such a thing, but why if it's there and I can possibly take advantage of it, would I not choose to do so? I seriously wouldn't mind my television and console working on the exact same input simultaneously. Is it the end of the world if a console makes me do it the way we do it now? Of course not, I'm completely use to doing it. It's not a must have feature, but if a console makes it so that I don't have to worry about it, why not? It's just the little details, man. The games are still going to be what's most important, but these little things along the edges I think matter, too, even if they don't necessarily matter to everybody.
And regarding the Kinect complaints, somehow I expect we will have options to mute it and turn off the camera, but we'll have to still keep it plugged in no doubt. Kinect is such a non-issue for me, it still stuns me that people are as bothered by it as they are. Microsoft is hardly the company that wants to be involved in a major problem over the privacy of customers, but not everybody sees it that way.
Yes. Company takes their email server, takes their troublesome leaked message, and spins them together to see which writing styles are a match. Then someone gets talked to.
This is the third console curse in full swing.
In his defense, CBoaT, at least, did not mention anything about downclocking. Only serious yield problems, but not how Microsoft will react to them.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's amazing people still think the PS3 reveal was worse. They have to be on par if anything.
yep my launch 360 RROD just outside warranty (uk), no joy from MS, they quite litterally extended the warranty a couple of weeks after it was on a land fill somewhere. Didnt stop me from buying two more.
...also 3 playstation 3
Aside from everything about you just seeming off, I can't peg you from being a poor excuse of an MS-sent sentinel to mitigate damage or just a fan boy that wants so hard to believe, but this line, specially, is the exact same thing you've done before. It's special pleading. You're completely ruling out obvious things, and trying to make points moot by writing them off as something it's not. The whole percentage shit. It's so insignificant that only a PR-representative would be hung up on it. The same thing with this. "I've seen it before"? "I always do this when I compare"? It's just special pleading. It's bullshit. EDIT: I mean, look at the monumental list of all the crap MS have managed to concoct with this box, and how there are no responses from MS from things that are damaging their reputation. It's because they're all true, and they know the less they say, the better. When you look at that, you should be able to see how massively out of sync you are with the desert of the real itself.
There are nothing but negative rumors about MS. That has nothing to do with what people WANT to believe or what people jump on. It's how it is. MS are being smart by shutting up about bad news as long as they can. We're practically waiting for the Friday they can drop all the crap on us, and then give us the weekend to look at some pretty games.
I'd just feel a bit annoyed if it turned out you were just a fanboy that so desperately wants this box not to fail, but at the same time, it comes across as exactly the same type of sleazy tactics MS have been deploying so far. Everything about their reveal was phoney, from the applause, to the UI, to the kinect, to their words, to their implementations and their "new AI". The fact that I can't distinguish a fanboy from an MS sentry is quite sad, really.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I don't think it is a PR blunder. It's a strategic blunder that no amount of PR can put right.
You left out the fact that MS faked the entire reveal's OS demonstration and that the current version of it seemingly runs at a super low frame rate in Snap mode (think Perfect Dark low) and has odd studders.
Oh, and MS also removed their E3 Q & A panel so press seemingly can't ask questions or bring awareness to any of the above issues.
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