MaximumSpider
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I can't wait until the next Pokemon announcement so we can finally put the Stars rumor to rest.
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Tsunekazu Ishihara talks Pokémon on Switch (ToyoKeizai Online Interview)
- Thread starter JoeM86
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RichiRamjag
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Enough for me, I'll chill out. I just never like the tone they set in their interviews. The translation is probably the issue tbh.
Yep true that they always release at the end of the year. (But by the end of 2018 they would need to have a proper sequel for SM or a new gen haha)
IIRC Pokken was released during the Spring or early summer for arcade, so Q1 2018 release for a DE would work for it don't you think ?
TheUntamedLegend
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GameFreak is always slow to adopt Nintendo's newest hardware.
Black and White 2 came out on the DS nearly two years after the 3DS was released.
Assuming they are working on some Sun/Moon sequel/third version, it will definitely be a 3DS release.
What they should do, however, is simultaneously release a Switch version. Like how the first Mystery Dungeon was released on both the GBA and the DS.
Black and White 2 came out on the DS nearly two years after the 3DS was released.
Assuming they are working on some Sun/Moon sequel/third version, it will definitely be a 3DS release.
What they should do, however, is simultaneously release a Switch version. Like how the first Mystery Dungeon was released on both the GBA and the DS.
StreetsAhead
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Translation is not 1:1, I did it while still in bed. So don't pay too much attention to tone/word choice. Give me a bit and I can do a proper translation.
I'm just waiting for the day this becomes your tag.
Never fails to make me chuckle when you end your posts with that haha
If I were to guess, considering third versions don't require as much work as a remake or a new gen, Stars is a stop gap to make a more complete jump to the Switch with Gen 8 in 2018. They have probably been working on Stars since a little before Sun and Moon released, while also working on Switch. If I remember correctly they always have two teams that work on the mainline games at the same time, usually one focusing on new gens and the other working on third versions/remakes, so it wouldn't be unprecedented.
If anything Stars can also be on Switch and 3DS
If anything Stars can also be on Switch and 3DS
I hope so. I was hoping for a surprise one this Spring ahead of Worlds, but they then made the ridiculous choice to have Worlds happen for Pokkén on the Wii U, despite being 4 characters and 2 patches behind.
Spin-offs are going to happen, though less on dedicated devices now thanks to mobile, but hey...Splash! Magikarp is intriguing
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StreetsAhead
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(Better?) translation
HeavyMetalLover91
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*sigh* This is exactly why I wish we would have Z/another Gen 6 game on 3DS last year and then Sun and Moon this or next year on Switch running on hardware that can actually support the game. The thought of having to wait until 2019 for the next generation on Switch is agonising.
I am still of the belief that Sun & Moon was originally planned as a Switch launch title, but when word that Switch was being delayed happened in late 2015 internally/early 2016 externally, they shifted development to the 3DS using an altered version of the XYORAS engine, and downported the overworld.
Far too many compromises have been made for single screen gaming already. Game Freak aren't that crazy to have made such questionable choices for 3DS.
Note: The above is speculation and is not indicative of insider knowledge
The current engine would look and run well on Switch
Perhaps, but I think they can do better with the Switch's capabilities. I don't expect anything crazy, but I'd like a big leap.
HeavyMetalLover91
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If that was the case then damn, what a shame. Would've been a hell of a start to a new console, and an even better way to celebrate the series' 20th anniversary. I just don't see Stars being a thing for Switch, exclusively anyway. Hopefully they'll throw it on the 3DS and put the generation to bed, there's no point limiting their talents on outdated hardware. If it means a shorter generation in exchange for getting true next generation Pokemon on the Switch more quickly then so be it.
They will he is gonna be coy up until they announce it
The Stars rumor originated from Eurogamer, with MCV reporting that we'd get Mario, Zelda, & Pokémon (from Game Freak) games within the Switch's first year.
Agent Unknown
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This is like the type of completely moronic excuse a finnicky third party would make about the DS or the Wii U just because they have touch screens. It's like back in 2013/14 when Kohima was asked if he'd make a game on Wii U and he used the excuse that he felt he'd have to make a game that fully took advantage of the Gamepad. Again, someone from NCL should be on the phone with the Pokémon Company and pointedly asking them what exactly about the Switch do they find so daunting or confusing that they feel compelled to have a senior rep act like a Pokémon RPG might not work on a fully portable system just because it has a high definition screen and can be docked to a TV.
ArchedThunder
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Oh my god, he literally said "I am not in a position to announce anything specific."
They aren't ready to talk about their plans, and understandably since they JUST released Sun and Moon.
His comment makes it sound like they want to do something new when they move to Switch instead of just doing the same thing, which is understandable, they're moving from weak handheld hardware to Wii U+ level hardware, they'll probably be doing a lot with the world to make it feel more alive.
This guy gets it.
Let's wait until E3 before we all panic over Pokémon on the Switch.
A lot of people are still of the mindset that development only really begins when things are announced. Not necessarily outright but subconsciously.
That's where people get such asinine notions such as X/Y, Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire and Sun/Moon being "rushed"
Always slow as proved by 1 example?
Pokemaniac
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Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Z was the original plan. I'd guess they didn't want to miss the anniversary with Sun and Moon.
encephalon
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It sounds like he's saying that it would be a (new) spinoff if it happened.
lvl99 Pixel
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id get a switch if the spinoffs mentioned were on it. Seems like I might be waiting a long time though.
The original quote did not really have a negative tone. Japanese tends to use lots of negative sentence structures.
In feeling it is more like "If Pokemon were to come out, we'll do something a bit different"
I feel this is a much better translation, without so much of the negative tone people are reading into the other translation.
I think you may be reading too much into it. He just said they will release pokemon games for Switch, he thinks it is best they release them in a suitable order, and if (when) they release a main Pokemon game for the Switch they will do something a bit different than before, but has no games to announce at the moment.
Nintendo is not releasing a successor to the 3DS unless the Switch flops, so that leaves the pokemon company 2 options, release on Switch, or don't make pokemon games. The answer is clear.
Smiles and Cries
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seriously going to be pissed if they try to give Switch a spin-off and not something closer to the mainline games
Agent Unknown
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All in the middle of talking as though they feel Switch would be better suited to spin off series. Even if that's not the reality of what their actual plans are, what's so hard to understand why people wouldn't like to hear him talk that way about a system they're about to spend $299 on with the perfectly reasonable expectation it will have a fully unified library per Iwata's original vision for NX? Like I said, this is the type of weak comment a non-commital third party should be making, not Nintendo's biggest partner which they own 33% stake in. Do I really think he meant it the way it comes off? Not really. But any way you cut it, this is a stupid comment for them to make assuming Switch is supposed to be the future home of ALL Pokémon games post-3DS (which it should be unless they suddenly wanted to go all in on phones for the mainline RPGs).
RichiRamjag
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Thank you for the explanation (no sarcasm). It probably explains why I'm always put off by most translated interviews.
Agent Unknown
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Ok, thanks for summarizing that.
Besides the main Pokemon series, we make derived titles such as the fighting game "Pokken" and the dungeon RPG "Mystery Dungeon". Of these, We are thinking of going in order of easiest to adapt to/suit the Switch.
tl;dr Side games come first, main game comes later.
Agent Unknown, RichiRamjag. No problem.
Would you mind elaborating on this a bit more? Specifically, the single screen compromises. I haven't played a mainline Pokémon since Gold so I'm a bit out of the loop.
lvl99 Pixel
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what if its a really good spinoff?
What could they possibly do thats similar to the main games at this point that would be worth doing on Switch if its not cross compatible with sun/moon now?
I think at best we would get something like Pokemon Stadium to play using the 3ds/Bank pokemon but in HD.
Honestly I am still annoyed that we didn't get "Pokémon Z" as it means that gen 6 and Kalos never reached its full potential.
I doubt it, by moving a more powerful console they can finally create a good 3D region, without being held back.
Of course that doesn't mean much with them dumbing down the game play and getting aggressively handholdy.
They axed most of the 3DS-specific features from Sun/Moon & significantly decreased the games' reliance on the 2nd screen compared to X/Y & OR/AS.
For what it is worth, I feel JoeM86's assessment to probably be pretty close to real situation. When I first looked at Sun/Moon I felt that the models/map etc were not intended for the 3DS, when I got my copy of Moon I was disappointed by features I had grown to expect from previous games that used the lower screen. Sun/Moon feel like games that were made for a single screen with a secondary screen tacked on at the last minute which is not a feeling I had with the previous games.
If Pokemon Stars is not at the very least cross-generational (although imo it should be Switch exclusive) I'll throw my hands up. It would be utterly ridiculous.
And yes - I know that Nintendo doesn't own GameFreak outright and that they do their own thing, but Nintendo do have enough sway over them to say they can't fuck around like they were doing when they released B2/W2 on the DS a year after the 3DS launched. They NEED Pokemon on the Switch this year to help the Switch sales. It's in GameFreak's best interests as well.
And yes - I know that Nintendo doesn't own GameFreak outright and that they do their own thing, but Nintendo do have enough sway over them to say they can't fuck around like they were doing when they released B2/W2 on the DS a year after the 3DS launched. They NEED Pokemon on the Switch this year to help the Switch sales. It's in GameFreak's best interests as well.
Lynd7
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This, who cares about trading in person etc. It wouldn't even stop that from happening anymore, god, the Pokemon company is annoying.
Garbage Plaza replacing the PSS made this pretty obvious. I know Game Freak are incompetent, but I refuse to believe even they would scrap one of the best additions to the series for that trash. The addition of Garbage Plaza is not making me hopeful for the return of Pokemon to a single screen if crap like that is what they're going to do.
This is so ass backwards. There's nothing mechanically about the mainline Pokemon games that you would have to change to make it "work" on the Switch. He's making a big deal out of nothing, just have the same core experience with bigger set pieces and better model and resolution.
FleetingFlowAir
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I know that no Pokémon title is confirmed for Switch yet, but the mention of Mystery Dungeon pleases me. It's still a relevant spin-off series.
lvl99 Pixel
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would enough people really buy another more expensive copy of the same game though?
Yoshimitsu126
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There might be a Pokemon RPG on Switch after all because of the gameplay changes in Sun and Moon.
For example, the use of Trials help the developers use less assets. Sun and Moon also use a lot of their 3D engine.
Trials can save developers money by not making cities with gyms. They can now make trials that are fewer than eight and those can use wild routes, caves, or water instead of eight large towns with a unique gym.
In fact, most of Sun and Moon's trials use routes and aren't even located in cities.
Sun and Moon's 3D engine hints a future Switch Pokemon game too. Not only are all trainers in 3D (the first in Pokemon!) but they appear next to their Pokemon in battles.
The Pokemon battle setting is also unique to where you battled the trainer as well. All of these designs are something you expect in a console like experience.
There's a real chance a mainline RPG Pokemon game is coming to Switch thanks to these gameplay changes in Sun and Moon! I hope it does happen and I'll probably buy the Switch asap once its announced!
For example, the use of Trials help the developers use less assets. Sun and Moon also use a lot of their 3D engine.
Trials can save developers money by not making cities with gyms. They can now make trials that are fewer than eight and those can use wild routes, caves, or water instead of eight large towns with a unique gym.
In fact, most of Sun and Moon's trials use routes and aren't even located in cities.
Sun and Moon's 3D engine hints a future Switch Pokemon game too. Not only are all trainers in 3D (the first in Pokemon!) but they appear next to their Pokemon in battles.
The Pokemon battle setting is also unique to where you battled the trainer as well. All of these designs are something you expect in a console like experience.
There's a real chance a mainline RPG Pokemon game is coming to Switch thanks to these gameplay changes in Sun and Moon! I hope it does happen and I'll probably buy the Switch asap once its announced!
Spyder_Monkey
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Meh Eurogamer's track record has been strong enough to make me think this is happening outside of how obvious of a no brainer it is to bring Pokemon to the Switch.