quinntendopower
Banned
it seems there a lot of common issues.
really is a fucking shame. this game is so mechanically great and to play!
really is a fucking shame. this game is so mechanically great and to play!
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Twisted Metal |OT| Don't Eat. Don't Sleep. Play
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Maybe they're waiting for the game to be playable online. So it may take a few months.
I'm still waiting on their Demon's Souls review.
TimeEffect
Member
Off topic: Watching episode 2 of the Tester, Jaffe is in it lol. Man, these contestants suck, I wish I was on this show.
They are even playing Twisted Metal, pretty cool self promotion
They are even playing Twisted Metal, pretty cool self promotion
ElRenoRaven
Member
Yea. It was a great episode. I love it everytime David's on. He doesn't sugarcoat shit and it's hilarious how it rubs some of these whiny idiots the wrong way.
bonesmccoy
Banned
With the MP so broken, I really wish they'd shipped the game with a more fleshed out SP mode. I played for 40 minutes last night and made it 80% of the way through Sweet Tooth's story. If each SP campaign takes roughly 1-2 hours to complete, why on earth are there just 3 of them.
And while cutscenes are a neat homage to the stuff we lived through in the mid-90s, I can't help but feel they should have done a graphic novel/comic book approach a la inFamous.
And while cutscenes are a neat homage to the stuff we lived through in the mid-90s, I can't help but feel they should have done a graphic novel/comic book approach a la inFamous.
My hardcore strategy? Haul ass around with Mr Grimm, freeze people and flame saw them then unload whatever other weapons I have and kill them. Sometimes it takes reversing and dropping mines as well, but people fall for that so easily it's great.
It's so damned fun.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Yup. that's one limitation that even I don't understand. Luckily for me I'm a deathmatch kind of guy and don't tend to talk so I almost never play with my headset.
Riposte
Member
Playing on a harder difficulty naturally makes things longer. But I suppose that doesn't count does it?
EDIT: Also I think they imagine players will mess find enjoyment in making their own games and playing against the AI that way. "Challenges" they call it, though it is totally free form so it is not what you'd expect. It is definitely a game about a set of mechanics first and a structure second.
There are just 3 because originally this was a mp-only psn title. Sony asked ESP too late in development to make it a retail game with single player. ESP had already created a system with 4 factions and gunners in passenger seats. Making more characters would eat up too many resources.
ElRenoRaven
Member
David is hoping today or tomorrow. He had a meeting and should be updating soon.
I thought it was super stupid they added a helicopter anyway. I still haven't played as him, aside from being forced to in Story, and even then I fucking just wanted to stop playing. TM and Helicopters is just wrong. It's all about the car chases, mang.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Maybe, put perhaps you were playing against "noobs." I have yet to have an issue with Talon so who knows, still only one week in.
Helscream
Banned
Well there is some hardcore strategy out there. It just takes the effort for everyone pool in our collective knowledge.
Two quick examples;
Roadboat+Reaper combo
Use Roadboats magnet to hold a enemy in place while reaper nails them with a flaming chainsaw. And if Roadboat is able to charge the magnet and send them flying in the air. Just kill the player with fire/homing missiles.
Talon+Outlaw (Or Roadkill) combo
Use Talon's magnet to carry Outlaw/Roadkill up in the air and unleash their alt special and bombard enemies below with blood missiles.
There really are a lot of possibilities out there. But I doubt we will ever get to explore those possibilities in ranked games. Maybe in a unranked game. But all the combos are endless.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Have Talon lift a Kamikaze and you can still use the EMP blast to hit people on the ground, then have Reapers come in to finish the job.
TimeEffect
Member
I ALWAYS felt this! You think Diablo Pass will be bad? Imagine LA Skylines!
I think Talon is definitely more exploitable than most others. Hell, even Juggernaut is more balanced
Talon's special is ridiculously too strong IMO, "freeze and ram" works when Talon players are new, but now they sit way up high, snipe, use their special from way up high where other players either cannot reach them, duck and weave at the moment of possible death (sure, all vehicles do this, but some maps make it much easier for Talon than others). It's easy for a moderately good Talon player to dodge freezes from afar without using a shield too, I find.
Yeah, a good team can rid of a Talon player, but they just spawn again and do the same thing, it's annoying to constantly take them out. I hate focusing on them but I feel like I must because if I dont, no one else does (in non-party games, you Gaffers are great)
Only good strategy is Talon vs. Talon, but it sort of ruins the idea of "unlocks are just as balanced" and IMO, a Talon vs. Talon fight does not necessarily mean those Talons would bother with each other. I know it's good to play with teams, but when playing solo, I get frustrated being the only one paying attention, at least that's how I feel. A majority of the time I find Talon just annoying, but the game is still young and people are still discovering how to host lobbies
I really feel that Talon needs a tweak, specifically his special, whether its how fast they regenerate it, how much damage it does, how much ammo per special, or a combo of all three.
/rant
ElRenoRaven
Member
Youtube update coming from David in 30 to 45 minutes.
I bet you guys ANYTHING if it did come today.
ElRenoRaven
Member
What?
Helscream
Banned
Well I will say that his Minigun turret is too damn strong for the mobility Talon has. Being in the air gives you the perfect vantage point to pretty much make every weapon you have as accurate as possible. So the only way you can really fuck with a Talon player is to go inside a building. Other than that your always open to attack. Like the Swarmer missiles always have the habit of crashing into the ground while using them. As with Talon it is coming straight from above so those Swarmers have a better vantage point to make contact. Talon is probably the most effective on LA Skyline/Diablo Pass. The only thing I can say is really just keep an eye out and try to hit Talon from as far as a distance as possible. Because the downside with being in the air you very vulnerable to getting hit. So if the team learns to focus fire on Talon he should go down real fast.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
It was for me. After an hour or so any many tried I finally got it to go. They appear much darker in game so watch out.
TimeEffect
Member
Eh, IMO it was obvious from the start that maps like Diablo's Pass and Skylines would completely favor Talon over anything else. And like the guy above says, his turret really has zero repercussions
I am trying to do the Endurance trophy, 50 kills in endurance. Can that be 1 v 1 or does it have to be max vehicles? Any tips?
I'm nowhere near the level of skill, time played, or percentage unlocked that you guys are at, but I wonder Talon's strength is stemming from people not having the appropriate countermeasures unlocked. I haven't seen Talon in any of my games yet, but I have seen a crapload of Junkyard Dogs.
Liberty4all
Banned
Once talon players get to know where the megagun pickups are it gets even worse for those on the ground ... a good talon player uses tbe minigun special combined with megagun to start a killstreak and that replenishes mega gun .... megagun is even better than the mini special as you get an even better rate of fire without losing third person manouverability and visibility .... plus talon can easily access all hard to reach health pickups, sniper rifles, etc etc etc
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Isn't Talon weak against the sniper rifle too?I'm nowhere near the level of skill, time played, or percentage unlocked that you guys are at, but I wonder Talon's strength is stemming from people not having the appropriate countermeasures unlocked. I haven't seen Talon in any of my games yet, but I have seen a crapload of Junkyard Dogs.
Liberty4all
Banned
ive been using talon alot to whore/grind up the xp ladder ... especially now while there arent as many players with it unlocked to counter with. usually somebody who targets talon with a sniper rifle dies to that talon player. i know i make it a priority to kill players on roofs.
I wanted to give Talon the benefit of the doubt but personally i think its OP.
Pick the football stadium map at sunsprings.
1v1
Pick a big vehicle, put the AI on normal, but health semi, just use the sniper rifle to 1 hit kill them. It'll take you about 25-30 minutes.
TimeEffect
Member
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Talon's counter is Death Warrant and Roadkill, but those are sort of generic cars with generic specials so you hardly see anyone use them. But when they do, the fully charged special last so long that there's no way Talon can shield through it all.
Also starting to grow on Roadkill. Initally thought it was a useless car, for 10 hitpoints less you get Kamikaze which is faster and has a better special. Everytime I attempted to lay waste to an opponent with the blood missiles I'd lose a good chunk of my own while trying to hold aim on them for the entire 5 seconds. Then I realized Roadkill's special can acquire a lock from really far out so if you keep range it can actually be quite deadly. Still not sold on Roadkill but gonna keep trying.
Also starting to grow on Roadkill. Initally thought it was a useless car, for 10 hitpoints less you get Kamikaze which is faster and has a better special. Everytime I attempted to lay waste to an opponent with the blood missiles I'd lose a good chunk of my own while trying to hold aim on them for the entire 5 seconds. Then I realized Roadkill's special can acquire a lock from really far out so if you keep range it can actually be quite deadly. Still not sold on Roadkill but gonna keep trying.
Tokubetsu
Member
My biggest problem with Talon is mainting my reticule on him.
SixStringPsycho
Member
I discovered something and dont know if its been posted here.
If you shoot the Big Crane thats damaged in the Skyline stage, the Iron ball will hit a building, making it fall and unlocking a new part of the stage.
Shoot the Blimp too for another building to fall off.
If you shoot the Big Crane thats damaged in the Skyline stage, the Iron ball will hit a building, making it fall and unlocking a new part of the stage.
Shoot the Blimp too for another building to fall off.
The Real Napsta
Member
Did they fix the "every custom car is really dark" glitch yet?
Every time I check the thread and see something like this...it makes me rethink getting it before a price drop. Is the online still plagued with connection errors or something?
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Start -> Wireless Controller -> Free Look 2
I meant that we won't get the title update tonight.
I think a good nerf for talon would include:
Reduce the autoaim on the megagun a bit.
Significantly reduce the range of the minigun's lock-on targeting
Reduce how far the minigun can angle down
Cut his boost bar to a fourth of what it currently is, so that he doesn't practically have unlimited boost
This would constrain his ability to cheese, while still maintain his much needed strengths that compensate for his fragility and lack of agility (he's definitely the most mobile of all the vehicles, but he's not very agile).
Reduce the autoaim on the megagun a bit.
Significantly reduce the range of the minigun's lock-on targeting
Reduce how far the minigun can angle down
Cut his boost bar to a fourth of what it currently is, so that he doesn't practically have unlimited boost
This would constrain his ability to cheese, while still maintain his much needed strengths that compensate for his fragility and lack of agility (he's definitely the most mobile of all the vehicles, but he's not very agile).
georgetheplushie
Member
Talon's special is good, but it doesn't need it to excel. Mega Guns and Homing Missiles will result in about the same amount of damage, and thanks to killstreaks, you're able to continuously receive Mega Gun, Turbo, Energy, and eventually weapons. If you're able to pick off cars fast enough that they can't really damage you when you have your shields up, what does it matter that you wasted 150 mega gun ammo and all your energy? You just got it all right back.
Cloudius12
Member
It is still kind of bad.
Also, Jaffe said he'll upload the update video once his kids go to bed. He just left his lobby, so I assume he's putting them to bed or uploading the video now.
Announcer in Black Rock Stadium: "This makes about as much sense as Twisted Metal 3"
I had a chuckle, but then it repeated like 6 times during the match.
Announcer in Black Rock Stadium: "This makes about as much sense as Twisted Metal 3"
I had a chuckle, but then it repeated like 6 times during the match.
TimeEffect
Member
I swear to god I just played a game where THREE freaking Talon players were rocking sniper scopes. Frustrating as all fuck playing FFA, trying to aim at these assholes only to get constantly shot by everybody else.
That said I did come second so it's not like they are vastly dominant, but it was a flat map. Curious to see how scores end up in levels like Diable Pass, because I am sure what BHK3 did is easily repeatable
I also hope ESP can implement unlocking things during the lobby screen, I dont like backing out of a good server
That said I did come second so it's not like they are vastly dominant, but it was a flat map. Curious to see how scores end up in levels like Diable Pass, because I am sure what BHK3 did is easily repeatable
I also hope ESP can implement unlocking things during the lobby screen, I dont like backing out of a good server
Talon is only OP until enough people learn to target it and unlock turbo dash. Seriously. In a room full of good players it takes skill to stay alive with Talon. What annoys me playing as Talon is that the lock on for his special is really crappy. It'll target someone else for no reason, lose target, refuse to target someone right in front of me.
THAT'S fucking why. I was like "fucking motion controls never work," but now I know I was just slamming my junk like an idiot for nothing.