Twitter starting to wake up?

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These couple of articles over the last day or so seem linked. I get the impression Twitter investors have been getting impatient for signs of a business model at the company, and the result is maybe less than people might have hoped.

In a potentially 'not very nice' move, Twitter has seemingly got the ball rolling on building out 'official' Twitter versions of certain apps (for starters, their own version of Ubertwitter, the Blackberry app). Fueling suspicions about their motives is a blog post from one of Twitter's investors talking about the great business opportunities in apps, and how the time for third party apps that simply plug holes in Twitter has come and gone.

I always wondered how Twitter felt seeing some app providers build revenue and proper business models around their apps while Twitter itself still hadn't - it seemed like perhaps the money is to be made in these apps and not so much in the plumbing (Twitter), and Twitter is slowly waking up to that?

Needless to say, third parties aren't very happy. Devs are starting to wonder if their app might be 'next' to have an official Twitter competitor. No one wants to build something, build a new idea and have it gain traction - i.e. do all the hard work - for Twitter to usurp them with a built-in or official version.

Is a Twitter Developer Revolt Brewing?

Then on the heels of that is this news, that Twitter is to start embedding advertising in search results and also in user feeds, in the form of 'promoted tweets'. Advertising is something Twitter's founders have been notably unenthusiastic about in the past, so it's interesting to see this about-turn.

Twitter to Start Rolling Out Advertising

Did someone splash some cold water on Twitter? In the way they had been taking so much time to work out how they were going to build revenue I kind of hoped they'd come up with something bold and new that might offer new directions for other online services also, but it seems they're just resorting to the same things everyone else does and/or piggybacking on opportunities built by third parties as they emerge. That's a bit disappointing.
 
It seems obvious (i.e. I'm talking out of my ass) that Twitter just kind of happened, got bigger than they expected and then with their thumbs up their asses they just kinda pointed their pinkies at a list of what worked for people making money off of their ideas and decided to go with whatever worked.
 
good, twitter is an incredible phenomenon thats taken over the world and twitter itself deserves to reap the benefits. they've created and provided a brilliant service for the world, its a technology and endevour which has replaced many costly things for people i.e. sms and they do it without charging the public.

If they start developing official apps and selling those, great. They can't charge us to tweet, and I don't want too much spam so this is the best way.

That some 3rd parties have created apps and charged for them is something that I always found a little cheeky tbh. They can plug into the API and everything for free. But I guess if people are willing to pay fair enough, why complain about twitter trying to actually profit though? if anything you want them to stick around
 
I must say I'm annoyed by the advertising stuff. That shit will just drive me away. the spam is bad enough now.
 
Another solution would be to register the calls to their API - and charge a fee for every software that has over xxx number of connections/day.

That way it's up to 3rd parties to find a revenue model (advertisement, payed app) - and twitter can still release their own official app with their own advertisements.
 
kaizoku said:
If they start developing official apps and selling those, great. They can't charge us to tweet, and I don't want too much spam so this is the best way.

That some 3rd parties have created apps and charged for them is something that I always found a little cheeky tbh. They can plug into the API and everything for free. But I guess if people are willing to pay fair enough, why complain about twitter trying to actually profit though? if anything you want them to stick around

I think the argument is: We helped build out your functionality when you were small, we helped extend your reach, we helped build Twitter's popularity. So why turn around now and cannibalise our apps with Twitter-official ones?

I think the 'good' part of Twitter and the Twitter founders probably twinged when making the decision to roll out that first app that already had a third party player in the market. I don't think they initially intended to take that kind of route. I think they had that 'come one, come all' attitude where they'd foster an environment for apps. Turning around and reserving the right to throw themselves into a particular apps' market latterly with a clone seems like a change of strategy.

I think it would be different if Twitter developed its own unique apps. But leveraging its position to compete against existing apps might be seen as unfair and a slap in the face to the other developers. Of course Twitter never gave guarantees or such...there's nothing technically or legally wrong with what Twitter's doing here, but it doesn't do much for their 'nice' credentials.

That is, of course, if this starts to become a trend. If it was just the odd app here or there it probably won't attract much alarm. But if it became a habit it might be another story.
 
gofreak said:
I think the argument is: We helped build out your functionality when you were small, we helped extend your reach, we helped build Twitter's popularity. So why turn around now and cannibalise our apps with Twitter-official ones?
Well, without will there continue to be a Twitter?
 
RevenantKioku said:
Well, without will there continue to be a Twitter?

Of course, I'm not saying Twitter isn't the fundamental enabler here.

All I'm saying is that if I was Twitter, and I'd opened a API for developers to build things with it, to build out an ecosystem of software with the intention of accelerating userbase growth, I'd feel a bit shitty/guilty if later on when I had the time/resources and the audience, if I took an app that was making someone money, and decided to release a free version that was 'official', effectively undermining the position of an app that had been built up and is (probably) financially supporting someone's livelihood.

(In the case of their official iPhone app they 'did right' by the Tweetie developer by acquiring his app, but there was no such exit for Ubertwitter).

I'm just saying, it's not really a 'nice' thing to do to a developer.

I think Twitter will stop at pure mobile clients, I don't think they'll really start circling third party devs like vultures and cloning anything that looks like it's getting popular, but I can't help but feel sorry for the likes of the Ubertwitter developer. Hope they get by though and continue to be viable.
 
As long as someone hacks that dickhead Beiber's account and puts up scat porn or something then we can all be safe.
 
gofreak said:
Of course, I'm not saying Twitter isn't the fundamental enabler here.

All I'm saying is that if I was Twitter, and I'd opened a API for developers to build things with it, to build out an ecosystem of software with the intention of accelerating userbase growth, I'd feel a bit shitty/guilty if later on when I had the time/resources and the audience, if I took an app that was making someone money, and decided to release a free version that was 'official', effectively undermining the position of an app that had been built up and is (probably) financially supporting someone's livelihood.

(In the case of their official iPhone app they 'did right' by the Tweetie developer by acquiring his app, but there was no such exit for Ubertwitter).

I'm just saying, it's not really a 'nice' thing to do to a developer.

I think Twitter will stop at pure mobile clients, I don't think they'll really start circling third party devs like vultures and cloning anything that looks like it's getting popular, but I can't help but feel sorry for the likes of the Ubertwitter developer. Hope they get by though and continue to be viable.

twitter apps shouldn't really be supporting someone's livelihood anyway. That's like someone making an app version of a faq on gamefaqs and charging for it. It's clever and opportunistic and fair play to that person for seeing a way to make money, but if that money were to stop I wouldn't give a damn. There is no morality or ethical position here.

twitter is free and I've never been happy with people charging for twitter apps. it'd be like mozilla charging for firefox now that its a leading browser. there are free alternatives including an official free version for whatever OS you run.

If I like a particular app and feel loyalty and appreciation towards its developers I will donate or pay for a premium verison and I'd do the same whether there was an official twitter app or not. The key factor is how much I like your app, not how much choice I have.
 
The best anti-GAF thing was that one rap video the kid made. I don't have the link handy, unfortunately.

Anyway, I don't mind ads on twitter, they're everywhere else anyway. And if an official app comes out instead of tweetdeck or whatever, that's ok too. :shrug
 
kaizoku said:
twitter apps shouldn't really be supporting someone's livelihood anyway. That's like someone making an app version of a faq on gamefaqs and charging for it.

Think it depends what the app does. I think you're probably right about pure 'access' apps - and I think if Twitter sticks to offering official versions of those, then I guess I don't see too much problem. But I think you will see more apps start to use Twitter in a purely infrastructural way...where in the app you're using you may not even be aware that it builds on top of Twitter. I think it would be more...cynical...of Twitter to clone apps like that to get a slice of the pie others are creating in 'original' apps that use Twitter, but that aren't about accessing Twitter per se. I'll trust that isn't their interest though...
 
bjork said:
The best anti-GAF thing was that one rap video the kid made. I don't have the link handy, unfortunately.

Anyway, I don't mind ads on twitter, they're everywhere else anyway. And if an official app comes out instead of tweetdeck or whatever, that's ok too. :shrug
The one with the 'EEEEEH EEEEH' and the crying? Yeah,its awesome.
 
Welp, looks like they are going the safe way to make money, and who the crap wouldn't? If I had this startup company that somehow became the next big thing, I'd be scared of what to do next. Good for them for making money off their own idea. Does it suck they are looking what what other people did and then just blatantly copying it? Yeah, but welcome to the business world.
 
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