According to this, a bipartisan Russia sanctions bill is likely to be proposed within the next couple of weeks, passage could occur prior to the August recess: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-russia-sanctions-20170722-story.html
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U.S Congress finally gets something done: bipartisan Russia sanctions bill likely.
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Too many votes so it doesn't matter.
He'd be an idiot not to. Congress would more than likely override his veto.
CitizenVectron
Member
If they have more then 60 seats in the Senate (which they will) then they can override his veto).
I'm expecting it will come to that. They'll have to overpower him, because he doesn't care about looking bad.
Which means he might be an idiot too sign it too, I guess it depends on whether he wants to look bad to Americans or Putin.
He'd probably prioritize Putin.
Bruh, this is a guy who fired the guy investigating him and then just flat out admitted to doing it because of the investigation on live TV.
I hope this happens and Trumps starts bad mouthing everyone in Congress.
Well no shit. I'm well aware of that and it doesn't conflict with what I said
I said what you said doesn't matter.
kittenbreath
Member
2/3 vote in each chamber*
Which should be perfectly easy to get. Even if some conservatives were willing to defect out of deference to Trump, there's also the Iran and NK sanctions baiting them like red meat.
Yes I'm well aware of how the US government works and what you said doesn't negate my point. Trump won't sign it and that won't stop Congress from trying to gather the votes to push it through.
Harrison Bergeron
Member
I can see Trump saying he's not going to sign the thing because his administration has a different view of building a peaceful partnership with Russia. He believes this hurts the the U.S.' chance of getting a good deal (or somesuch bullshit).
Those crazy statements about setting up a "joint cyber security taskforce" with Russia have been too quickly forgotten. That was absolutely insanity.
Those crazy statements about setting up a "joint cyber security taskforce" with Russia have been too quickly forgotten. That was absolutely insanity.
Dubbedinenglish
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I would absolutely love to see Trump's reaction to a veto override.
Chaos2Frozen
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"They can do that?! How is that faaaaaiiiirrrrrrr?!?!"
He probably doesn't even know such a thing exists.
Aaron Strife
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Does he even know the veto exists? He dinged Hillary on a bill she wrote that actually passed Congress and was vetoed by Bush and blamed her for not getting it done.
A similar bill already passed the senate 98-0
Veto overrides are 2/3rds in both the House and Senate, you're thinking of something else.
"Who came up with these so-called checks and balances anyway?!?"
Psychoward
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God fucking dammit I remember that now ugh I had blocked that
What's the point of having a veto if it can be overridden ?
Velcro Fly
Member
I have a feeling he isn't going to do this the easy way and they are going to have to override his veto.
And being able to override the veto is just a check on the president's power.
And being able to override the veto is just a check on the president's power.
For this very type of situation.
It's harder to override the veto, it takes two-thirds of both houses of Congress to do it. It's hard enough to get stuff passed normally, overriding a veto is pretty rare.
It's one of those "checks and balances" that exists to keep the President from blatantly abusing his power. Congress very rarely overrides Presidential vetos. Partially because overriding a veto almost always requires bipartisan support, which is difficult to obtain when, normally, the President's own party supports his decision to veto.
It's why, for example, when Obama vetoed an attempt by the GOP to repeal Obamacare in 2015, they couldn't override his veto - because they would have needed support from Democrats to do it (which they obviously didn't have).
Bay Maximus
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I realize that Trump is no political mastermind. Even still, I don't think even he would be dumb enough to veto this bill. It wouldn't stop the bill and would only serve to make him look worse on the ongoing Russia scandal
elrechazado
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Starts?
More_Badass
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When has looking worse on the ongoing Russia scandal ever stopped him from doing or saying something that made him look worse?
VaultBoy101
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Based on your post I am now confident that Trump will veto this bill.
Conciliator
Banned
His staff might be able to talk him out of it. That's definitely the only reason we still have mueller.
Sure he does it a little bit to Republicans and more often to Democrats but I can't even imagine how bad it would be if congress overwrites his veto.
Some Republicans are going to vote for this (or are voting for this) because they want to have washed hands of the ordeals around Trump and Russia, and have a point of defiance to point at come hard times.
Party before country until your neck is potentially on the line and your prospects of remaining seated may depend on your "opposition" of Trump.
Party before country until your neck is potentially on the line and your prospects of remaining seated may depend on your "opposition" of Trump.
For one, overriding a veto requires a supermajority of 2/3rd in both the House and the Senate. So long as 290 out of 435 Representatives and 67 out of 100 Senators agree to new legislation, the President can't do shit about it. Normally, a president when seeing those sorts of numbers, let alone the 98-2 near unanimous vote as the Senate had achieved, will just let it pass since they understand they can't do shit. The only thing a veto does in this situation is to waste time and allow the President to show public disapproval of Congress's legislation.
For Trump to veto against a near unanimous decision to sanction Russia for their recent actions is pretty much making a public statement that he is a Russian toady, so of course, Trump will do it, Congress will override, and Trump will complain about it and Congress on Twitter.
I do not believe trump knows any of this, and he will be very very very upset that he didn't stop this with his veto. But I agree with the collusion.
Er
Conclusion.
gutter_trash
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baby steps for Republicans set up Trump to begin his decent
UberTag
Member
If you have to question whether Trump is dumb enough to do something... never give him the benefit of the doubt. He IS dumb enough.
Hahaha that's never happening.
Aaron Strife
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It actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you
And yeah I hope Trump ends up vetoing the bill. I bet the idiot thinks he can convince most Republicans of changing their minds because he's such a great negotatior lol
RPGCrazied
Member
Yeah, Trump ain't signing that. Republicans will act shocked/disturbed and move on. McCain syndrome.
I would love for him to veto it, then have it overridden, so that we not only get to see the bill passed, but also have him show his true colours.
Of course then he will rant on twitter about how unfair having a veto override is to the president because he should be allowed to do anything he likes.
Of course then he will rant on twitter about how unfair having a veto override is to the president because he should be allowed to do anything he likes.