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[Lunarorbit]

"the study" lmfao.

This is getting more and more absurd.

Look, a well-written villain is liked, not empathized, because people recognize them as a chaotic force of nature and that is formidable in its own perverted way. Nothing wrong with it. Examples of amazing psychopaths:

Hannibal Lecter, Negan (TWD), Patrick Bateman.

Many people love these characters despite being pure evil, because they have charisma, and because they are GOOD at their jobs and people admire being badass and "pro". Also, they have their twisted set of principles and morality and people love rules, even the wrong ones.

The case of Negan is one of the strongest for this argument, since he is introduced to the audience in the most disgusting way possible, and later on, thanks to those "admirable" traits, he gains their respect.

A study that dismisses such obvious things is immature and lacks any serious insight.

Colin farrell's penguin. Holy shit is that an excellent role but he's an absolute horrible character.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Colin farrell's penguin. Holy shit is that an excellent role but he's an absolute horrible character.

This is a great character, a miserable bastard with no redeeming qualities who becomes the MC of a show without any aspiration of sympathy, he's hateful even as a child. The Penguin is one of the best-written shows because it doesn't treat the audience like idiots by making them feel pity for people who are evil.

 

[AJUMP23]

King tut is the best Batman villain.

 

[Soodanim]

Its not that she wasnt into serial killers or villains but she did have the dark Tetrad traits just like many people who admire villains, anti heroes and serial killers. I'm not upset being upset serves me no purpose. I survived and that's what matters

After having read the many posts that show the hyperfixation on "Cluster B" and the wild accusations that go with it I'm not sure you did survive.

I hope that you eventually move on to the point where you can look back at this thread and reflect on how damaged (for lack of a less cliche word) you currently are.

This is worse than the trope of taking one psychology class and diagnosing everyone, because you've done even less than that and want to give one and only one diagnosis. Except in this case it's not out of desire for knowledge, it's a severe defence mechanism that's taken over and left you on the offensive. The sad irony is that this thread doesn't say anything about anyone you've accused of Cluster B and Dark Tetrad traits, it just says everything about the unfortunate position you've found yourself in.

I don't normally recommend therapy, but I recommend therapy. We aren't professionals and our words probably have no value to you. Show any therapist this thread, if only for a professional opinion. It will either validate you or be the beginning of some helpful conversations.

 

[Days like these...]

After having read the many posts that show the hyperfixation on "Cluster B" and the wild accusations that go with it I'm not sure you did survive.

I hope that you eventually move on to the point where you can look back at this thread and reflect on how damaged (for lack of a less cliche word) you currently are.

This is worse than the trope of taking one psychology class and diagnosing everyone, because you've done even less than that and want to give one and only one diagnosis. Except in this case it's not out of desire for knowledge, it's a severe defence mechanism that's taken over and left you on the offensive. The sad irony is that this thread doesn't say anything about anyone you've accused of Cluster B and Dark Tetrad traits, it just says everything about the unfortunate position you've found yourself in.
I don't normally recommend therapy, but I recommend therapy. We aren't professionals and our words probably have no value to you. Show any therapist this thread, if only for a professional opinion. It will either validate you or be the beginning of some helpful conversations.

You know what type of person tries to invalidate or dismiss someone else's experience? I'll give you one guess.
I never said I wasnt damaged but I can now sniff out shit people fairly quickly. I've been reading articles, studies, watching videos and went deep deep down the reddit and quora rabbit hole. I even got to the point of buying the DSM-5 manual since I started googling my ex's behavior to try and figure out what I was dealing with. So I've been reading about this for about 10 years now along with real life experience. I assure you I'm more knowledgeable than joker fans who are triggered by this post and study as narcs and their ilk have no or very limited capacity for self reflection. I really couldn't care less what people with dark Tetrad traits think about me or this study.

Anyone that doesn't have these dark traits shouldn't or wouldn't get upset or defensive about this study but if the shoe fits and this my last post in this thread.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

No true Scotsman would get defensive about this study!

 

[bitbydeath]

I never understood people thinking the Joker was cool. He’s a Batman villain. Lex Luthor isn’t cool.

But then again some people think Batman should kill or be raped in prison.

I don’t know about kill but Batman is terrible at dealing with bad guys since they always come back.

 

[ManaByte]

I don’t know about kill but Batman is terrible at dealing with bad guys since they always come back.

It’s not his fault the staff at Arkham are incompetent

 

[Richard Packer]

I don’t know about kill but Batman is terrible at dealing with bad guys since they always come back.

Joker 2 showed us what needs to be done.

Spoiler

 

[OmegaSupreme]

It’s not his fault the staff at Arkham are incompetent

You would think Bruce Wayne would make donations and get some better security and staff

 

[ManaByte]

You would think Bruce Wayne would make donations and get some better security and staff

But bashing in the Joker’s teeth every other week is cheaper than a gym membership.

 

[bitbydeath]

It’s not his fault the staff at Arkham are incompetent

Maybe not the first time, but Bruce is powerful enough to make changes after that.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Joker at times you can see his perspective clearly, checking other villain plots, tracking bank accounts, the resources, the people against the Joker don’t know his intentions, to think he’s just crazy is crazy.

 

[Griffon]

"Research suggests that antagonistic personality traits like Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, and everyday sadism—collectively known as Dark Tetrad traits—are associated with admiring and identifying with these types of characters. This association appears to reflect how individuals view their own values, motivations, and personalities in relation to these fictional figures"

This is why I'm happy joker fans got trolled with the sequel.

Individuals with dark traits have a heightened connection to certain types of fictional characters

People with antagonistic personality traits, like psychopathy and sadism, are more likely to admire and feel similar to morally ambiguous fictional characters, such as antiheroes and villains.

www.psypost.org

 

[Soodanim]

You know what type of person tries to invalidate or dismiss someone else's experience? I'll give you one guess.
I never said I wasnt damaged but I can now sniff out shit people fairly quickly. I've been reading articles, studies, watching videos and went deep deep down the reddit and quora rabbit hole. I even got to the point of buying the DSM-5 manual since I started googling my ex's behavior to try and figure out what I was dealing with. So I've been reading about this for about 10 years now along with real life experience. I assure you I'm more knowledgeable than joker fans who are triggered by this post and study as narcs and their ilk have no or very limited capacity for self reflection. I really couldn't care less what people with dark Tetrad traits think about me or this study.

Anyone that doesn't have these dark traits shouldn't or wouldn't get upset or defensive about this study but if the shoe fits and this my last post in this thread.

"You're making a lot of accusations, but speak to a professional instead of us"

"To speak against me is to invalidate me, and my research says cluster b does that!"

The response to me saying you're overdiagnosing is to diagnose me. I hope you can see that.

People have sympathy because of what you went through, including myself. But you're turning into a parody with your replies to people. Pontificating here then dismissing any reply that runs counter is an exercise in futility for all of us. As I said before, seek the advice/opinion of a professional. I don't care how much of an expert you think you are, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and they know much more than you do about a great deal more.