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Lol. You are definitely a kid. Certainly early 20s by my guess. Maybe younger. It’s clear you haven’t lived enough to understand why this study is saying absolutely nothing insightful at all.

The study is silly. You mean to tell me that some people who tend to act and/or be controlled by their darker impulses like villains in stories? No shit.

But lots of people find villains compelling… for the reasons I already started.

Yeah they find villains compelling because they are shit cluster B people.
I'm 51 and survived (barely) a 10 year relationship with a malignant narcissist with borderline traits. You proclaiming that you don't give a shit about the study and calling it silly doesn't magically discredit it. That's not how it works now stfu.

 

[NecrosaroIII]

This is sort of how I feel about chicks who are obsessed with True Crime.

 

[Richard Packer]

I'm 51

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

"the study" lmfao.

This is getting more and more absurd.

Look, a well-written villain is liked, not empathized, because people recognize them as a chaotic force of nature and that is formidable in its own perverted way. Nothing wrong with it. Examples of amazing psychopaths:

Hannibal Lecter, Negan (TWD), Patrick Bateman.

Many people love these characters despite being pure evil, because they have charisma, and because they are GOOD at their jobs and people admire being badass and "pro". Also, they have their twisted set of principles and morality and people love rules, even the wrong ones.

The case of Negan is one of the strongest for this argument, since he is introduced to the audience in the most disgusting way possible, and later on, thanks to those "admirable" traits, he gains their respect.

A study that dismisses such obvious things is immature and lacks any serious insight.

 

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if you think OP is a dork for trying and failing to dunk on a 5 year old movie, he is, and you’re totally normal.

I didn't publish the study. Did not know there were so many shit people on gaf. Being a Cluster B individual is not normal. You being religious and one of them doesn't surprise me.

 

[Raven117]

Yeah they find villains compelling because they are shit cluster B people.
I'm 51 and survived (barely) a 10 year relationship with a malignant narcissist with borderline traits. You proclaiming that you don't give a shit about the study and calling it silly doesn't magically discredit it. That's not how it works now stfu.

I still don’t believe you.

I can’t imagine a well adjusted adult would think to even bother posting something as banal and obvious as that “study.”

(But all this aside, if you did go through something like that, that sucks man, and I’m sorry. Slapping each other around over something non-consequential for the sport of it is one thing, but what you posted is something way more serious).

 

[Lunarorbit]

If you like the leto joker you're brain dead

 

[Braag]

You admittedly like and have a profile pic of some goofy slasher clown is that not identifying?

You have a profile pic of a massive D. What does it mean? Do you somehow identify as a specific letter? Why would you do that?

 

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You have a profile pic of a massive D. What does it mean? Do you somehow identify as a specific letter? Why would you do that?

I didn't choose that. On old gaf you could just have a user name no avatar. When gaf migrated everyone got an an avatar

 

[diffusionx]

I didn't publish the study. Did not know there were so many shit people on gaf. Being a Cluster B individual is not normal. You being religious and one of them doesn't surprise me.

The article you linked to does not mention this movie, nor does the abstract of the study. My point stands.

The article also says not to do exactly what you are doing

The study sheds light on the psychological factors that drive admiration for morally ambiguous fictional characters. But the researchers warn against overinterpreting the results: “I would mostly caution people not to use these findings diagnostically in daily life,” Doyle said. “Someone who likes fictional villains isn’t necessarily high in antagonistic traits, and someone high in antagonistic traits won’t necessarily behave like a fictional villain!”

 

[near]

“To explore this question, researchers recruited 473 undergraduate students from a university in the Pacific Northwest. The participants, mostly women with an average age of 19.78, completed a survey assessing their personality traits and preferences for various fictional characters.”
…

To measure antagonistic personality traits, participants completed several validated questionnaires. These included measures of Machiavellianism (manipulativeness and cynicism), narcissism (self-centeredness and grandiosity), psychopathy (impulsivity and lack of remorse), and everyday sadism (enjoyment of cruelty).

The researchers found that individuals with more antagonistic traits were more likely to admire and view themselves as similar to antiheroes. Psychopathy and everyday sadism demonstrated the strongest correlations, indicating that individuals high in these traits are particularly drawn to antiheroes, who often operate in moral gray areas and exhibit a mix of virtuous and questionable behaviors. Machiavellianism and narcissism were also linked to positive evaluations of antiheroes, but the associations were somewhat weaker. These findings align with the idea that antiheroes embody complex, multifaceted personalities that resonate with those who exhibit similarly complex antagonistic traits.

“The biggest takeaway from the study was that all of the antagonistic traits were linked to admiring and feeling similar to fictional villains and antiheroes,” Doyle told PsyPost. “This was the case for both antiheroes and villains from popular culture, and for descriptions of archetypal antiheroes and villains. The link was the strongest for psychopathy and everyday sadism.”

Hmmm….

I think OP misunderstood the study and the findings.

 

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“To explore this question, researchers recruited 473 undergraduate students from a university in the Pacific Northwest. The participants, mostly women with an average age of 19.78, completed a survey assessing their personality traits and preferences for various fictional characters.”
…

To measure antagonistic personality traits, participants completed several validated questionnaires. These included measures of Machiavellianism (manipulativeness and cynicism), narcissism (self-centeredness and grandiosity), psychopathy (impulsivity and lack of remorse), and everyday sadism (enjoyment of cruelty).

The researchers found that individuals with more antagonistic traits were more likely to admire and view themselves as similar to antiheroes. Psychopathy and everyday sadism demonstrated the strongest correlations, indicating that individuals high in these traits are particularly drawn to antiheroes, who often operate in moral gray areas and exhibit a mix of virtuous and questionable behaviors. Machiavellianism and narcissism were also linked to positive evaluations of antiheroes, but the associations were somewhat weaker. These findings align with the idea that antiheroes embody complex, multifaceted personalities that resonate with those who exhibit similarly complex antagonistic traits.

“The biggest takeaway from the study was that all of the antagonistic traits were linked to admiring and feeling similar to fictional villains and antiheroes,” Doyle told PsyPost. “This was the case for both antiheroes and villains from popular culture, and for descriptions of archetypal antiheroes and villains. The link was the strongest for psychopathy and everyday sadism.”

Hmmm….

I think OP misunderstood the study and the findings.

What did I misunderstand? Admiring villains and antiheroes has links to dark Tetrad traits.

 

[near]

What did I misunderstand? Admiring villains and antiheroes has links to dark Tetrad traits.

A study conducted on mostly women in their teens somehow indicates that something is likely wrong with you if you think the Joker is cool? It’s a weak study, and one I wouldn’t rely on to draw any meaningful conclusions.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Yes, liking the Joker means you're an alt right nazi. That's why they had him get fucked in the ass and killed in the sequel. Get owned chuds!

 

[Putonahappyface]

Yes, liking the Joker means you're an alt right nazi. That's why they had him get fucked in the ass and killed in the sequel. Get owned chuds!

 

[Kraz]

Yes, liking the Joker means you're an alt right nazi. That's why they had him get fucked in the ass and killed in the sequel. Get owned chuds!

He's seems more Discordia than Apep.

 

[Jinxed]

I think the Joker is just a stand-in for your ex-wife at this point.

I'm 51 and survived (barely) a 10 year relationship with a malignant narcissist with borderline traits.

Explains it all.

What a ridiculous thread and insignificant study.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Explains it all.

What a ridiculous thread and insignificant study.

 

[kindaGoth]

Joker is awesome. Total blast to watch a good performance of the character. My favorite is Heath of course but Joaquin was excellent as well and I have to even give Hamill credit.

Joker 2 was disappointing in execution but I like what they went for. It was a big swing but it missed.

 

[Carmen Winstead]

So I'm not cool for my Tony Soprano profile pic and liking this absolutely stellar written fictional character also makes me a piece of shit like he is?

 

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Explains it all.

What a ridiculous thread and insignificant study.

Yeah she was disordered just like many people who admire villains, anti heroes and serial killers. You dismissing the study doesnt suddenly invalidate it. You sound exactly like someone with a Cluster B personality disorder. No ability to self reflect, no introspection, no empathy. Sorry you're triggered by this study.

 

[LordCBH]

But the joker IS cool. Doesn’t mean people should be like him. He’s just a cool character. Like a lot of Batman characters are.

 

[Jinxed]

Yeah she was disordered just like many people who admire villains, anti heroes and serial killers. You dismissing the study doesnt suddenly invalidate it. You sound exactly like someone with a Cluster B personality disorder. No ability to self reflect, no introspection, no empathy. Sorry you're triggered by this study.

From what I gather in this thread, you have unresolved issues you need to take care of. And I don't mean this as an insult. Take care of you, relationships can leave scars. Have a merry christmas

 

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From what I gather in this thread, you have unresolved issues you need to take care of. And I don't mean this as an insult. Take care of you, relationships can leave scars. Have a merry christmas

I don't have issues I have trauma and I don't like people with dark Tetrad traits or cluster B personality disorders if that's you sorry not sorry.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

I'm sorry but The Dark Tetrad is one of my favorite fantasy series, I can hide it no longer

 

[thefool]

 

[Tams]

I love The Joker as shown in the Nolan films and the first namesake film. They did his character dirty in the most recent one.

And I do identify with his loneliness and isolation, plus anger at society. There are many that do.

I absolutely have no want or intention to go around killing people though. To even suggest I, and others like me do, is not only not helpful, but says more about you D Days like these... than anything else.

 

[Days like these...]

I love The Joker as shown in the Nolan films and the first namesake film. They did his character dirty in the most recent one.

And I do identify with his loneliness and isolation, plus anger at society. There are many that do.

I absolutely have no want or intention to go around killing people though. To even suggest I, and others like me do, is not only not helpful, but says more about you D Days like these... than anything else.

That's not what the study said. Here is what the study said
"These findings align with the idea that antiheroes embody complex, multifaceted personalities that resonate with those who exhibit similarly complex antagonistic traits.
The biggest takeaway from the study was that all of the antagonistic traits were linked to admiring and feeling similar to fictional villains and antiheroes"
but thanks for letting us know you don't want to kill anyone that's a relief.

Yeah, it's about me. I don't like people with psychopathy or strong traits that lean towards psychopathy. even if it's subclinical and not full blown. All of you can come for me I don't care I've dealt with much much worse irl. First I piss off the religious nuts now all the cluster B personality disorders.

 

[near]

That's not what the study said. Here is what the study said
"These findings align with the idea that antiheroes embody complex, multifaceted personalities that resonate with those who exhibit similarly complex antagonistic traits.
The biggest takeaway from the study was that all of the antagonistic traits were linked to admiring and feeling similar to fictional villains and antiheroes"
but thanks for letting us know you don't want to kill anyone that's a relief.

Yeah, it's about me. I don't like people with psychopathy or strong traits that lean towards psychopathy. even if it's subclinical and not full blown. All of you can come for me I don't care I've dealt with much much worse irl. First I piss off the religious nuts now all the cluster B personality disorders.

Sure, “individuals high in psychopathy and everyday sadism were more likely to admire and feel similar to villain”. Crazy people are inspired by other crazy people, it doesn’t take a study to figure this out.

But here’s the thing: fictional characters can resonate with viewers for various reasons, not just their personality. The narrative context, the world design, how they appear on screen, and other factors all influence a viewers feelings.

You should probably take the advice of those that actually conducted the research:

But the researchers warn against overinterpreting the results: “I would mostly caution people not to use these findings diagnostically in daily life,” Doyle said. “Someone who likes fictional villains isn’t necessarily high in antagonistic traits, and someone high in antagonistic traits won’t necessarily behave like a fictional villain!”

 

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Sure, “individuals high in psychopathy and everyday sadism were more likely to admire and feel similar to villain”. Crazy people are inspired by other crazy people, it doesn’t take a study to figure this out.

But here’s the thing: fictional characters can resonate with viewers for various reasons, not just their personality. The narrative context, the world design, how they appear on screen, and other factors all influence a viewers feelings.

You should probably take the advice of those that actually conducted the research:

That's just like the cancer warning California puts on everything. How are you going to put out a study and then waffle with some hedge your bets disclaimer.

 

[near]

How are you going to put out a study and then waffle with some hedge your bets disclaimer.

Because it still an interesting study, just not one worth trying extract meaning from.

 

[Tams]

That's not what the study said. Here is what the study said
"These findings align with the idea that antiheroes embody complex, multifaceted personalities that resonate with those who exhibit similarly complex antagonistic traits.
The biggest takeaway from the study was that all of the antagonistic traits were linked to admiring and feeling similar to fictional villains and antiheroes"
but thanks for letting us know you don't want to kill anyone that's a relief.

Yeah, it's about me. I don't like people with psychopathy or strong traits that lean towards psychopathy. even if it's subclinical and not full blown. All of you can come for me I don't care I've dealt with much much worse irl. First I piss off the religious nuts now all the cluster B personality disorders.

So the study tells us the obvious and its use to the world is... nothing.

Ah well. Just like almost all academia that isn't hard science.

 

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Because it still an interesting study, just not one worth trying extract meaning from.

I disagree and we should leave it at that. We're going in circles

 

[kindaGoth]

I disagree and we should leave it at that. We're going in circles

Just seems like you’re upset with your ex.

 

[Raven117]

The longer this thread goes on… the weirder it’s getting….

 

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Just seems like you’re upset with your ex.

Its not that she wasnt into serial killers or villains but she did have the dark Tetrad traits just like many people who admire villains, anti heroes and serial killers. I'm not upset being upset serves me no purpose. I survived and that's what matters

 

[BlackTron]

Just wait until you start meeting Harley Quinn fans.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Every single person I have seen that ”identifies” with the joker has been a loser.

 

[Richard Packer]

Its not that she wasnt into serial killers or villains but she did have the dark Tetrad traits just like many people who admire villains, anti heroes and serial killers. I'm not upset being upset serves me no purpose. I survived and that's what matters

Have you been with another woman since?

 

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Just wait until you start meeting Harley Quinn fans.

Oh I know they're as batshit insane toxic as hairdressers.

 

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Have you been with another woman since?

I have no desire to be in another relationship and don't know that I ever will.

 

[Richard Packer]

I have no desire to be in another relationship and don't know that I ever will.

Merry Christmas dude.

 

[Jinxed]

Just seems like you’re upset with your ex.

Yep

 

[Wildebeest]

The fact that Creep is the most popular Radiohead song by far is a sign that not only do total psychos walk amongst us, but they often seem like a majority.

 

[wipeout364]

The problem is the op is interpreting this as a diagnostic test when it is looking at correlation.

For example if I do a study and find patients that have Covid have a cough, that does not mean that every patient who has a cough has Covid.

That’s what I get from this study. People who have these psychiatric diagnosis will more likely like these characters. The opposite is not true that people who like these characters have a psychiatric diagnosis.

 

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Yep

I replied directly to you. You piece of work. Good job ignoring it. You're exactly the type of person this study is describing

 

[Jinxed]

I replied directly to you. You piece of work. Good job ignoring it. You're exactly the type of person this study is describing

Yes yes, cluster B we get it. I ignored it because you're obviously suffering from a relationship and I actually feel bad for you. I was also in a shitty relationship but stuck in it for the kids too long. It takes time to heal, I'll leave it at that

 

[Brakum]

He is cool as a fictional character. He wouldnt be cool in real life. And i dont want them to win but to be fair batman is also cool. But take a look at star wars. Darth vader is cool and luke couldn't be more uncool even if he tried, still we want luke to win.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

I get what you're saying, the joker is only a role model for antisocial little pricks who fantasize about hurting people for fun. Facts.

It seems like some people have taken umbrage because they are coming from the perspective that the joker is interesting not as a role model, but as a foil for batman who drives the story forward by giving batman a purpose.

I think both things are true, the joker as a role model is peak cringe and he's also a good sparring partner for bats that personifies a kind of terrifying chaos that is compelling to the story.

Your X really did a number on you friend. Have you tried talking to a counselor? She's got you lashing out at randos over nothing and accusing them of being psychopaths like her. You say that you're doing fine, but you have abandoned any possibility of trusting someone else and forfeited all the good things that could come from a healthy relationship because of how bad she hurt you.

I'm sorry she hurt you so bad, I hope you can talk to someone about it. As it stands she's continuing to sabotage your future relationships and I don't want that for you. The good news is you don't have to let her continue to drag you down, you have the power to heal but it does take time and hard emotional labor, I believe in you man!

 

[ManaByte]

I never understood people thinking the Joker was cool. He’s a Batman villain. Lex Luthor isn’t cool.

But then again some people think Batman should kill or be raped in prison.