PdotMichael
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Asking the question many years too late.
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U.S. opposes UN resolution against death penalty for same-sex relations
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Asking the question many years too late.
I believe China does not like strict wordings like this as they see it as international meddling in their affairs. Japan I am not sure about. Maybe they aren't as open to LGBT as anime would have you think.
Interframe
Member
Yeah lets just execute all queer people, they totally don't deserve to live, obviously!
/s
"Pro"-"life" party
RoadHazard
Gold Member
The US is looking more and more like a rogue state, rather than one of the good guys we've been taught it is. Sad to see.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Not surprised at anything the US does anymore, but I'm kinda disgusted by Japan, China and South Korea for this.
PdotMichael
Banned
All those states rights.
They aren't truly open to LGBT at all, Taiwan is the only Asian (country?) where you can argue there's a legitimate development in LGBT rights.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I'm a little surprised people are surprised. All those places continue capital punishment at this time and are particularly violent and abhorrent (the methods of punishment)
Disagree entirely, not everyone has a right to live despite the crimes they committed.
I figured that was the case, Japan is pretty conservative, not to mention they also have a death penalty.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
In every country innocent people have been killed and are continued to be killed by the death penalty. The only thing you are arguing for is straight up murder
Edit: How many innocent deaths is okay with you? The current number in every country is quite high. No one gets resurrected after they're found to be innocent though
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
The justice system is not perfect, so why have a permanent solution?
The better idea is to make sure the person is guilty with hard cold facts and evidence over witnesses before a death sentence can be on the table.
No, I am arguing for the ability to put heinous people that doesn't deserve a 2nd chance to a quick death. Obviously the standards need to be better, but I won't let that belief go because sometimes an innocent is killed.
If I was sentenced to life in prison and was innocent, I rather take death over wasting away behind a cell, hoping by some miracle that I be found innocent. That is just me though.
SecretMoblin
Member
Again, I think you guys are being misled by the thread title -- the resolution does not condemn the death penalty only for cases of same-sex relations, but more broadly (and uses those cases as examples).
etc.
Of course countries with capital punishment are going to vote against such language.
etc.
Of course countries with capital punishment are going to vote against such language.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
The standards will never be perfect. Think about what you just posted. You believe in killing innocent people sometimes?!?!? Really?!??!
Edit: It's never okay to kill an innocent person! Fuck! What even is this world! Fucking fuck me
Yeah guys, think about the poor sovereignty of the nations that execute gay people!
Vermillion
Banned
Does that include you when you deny some other person's right to live?
GregLombardi
Member
Find a hot button issue to verify to one's base that they upheld their promises, so that they can get re-elected.
Nothing is perfect and no, I believe in the death penalty for certain crimes (mass shootings for one, mass killings etc.) with the recognition of the possibility of innocent people being killed due to it.
Increasing the standards should be able to mitigate that, though.
Of course, though I don't expect to do such a thing.
Frankfurter
Member
13 countries oppose such a resolution. What a fucked up world we live in...
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
We're becoming an axis nation on the grand political stage wtf
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I don't understand this.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
No. Innocent people are killed by the death penalty. It has killed as many as any mass shooting will. There will never in any history, in any world be a perfect conviction of a criminal. You will always kill innocent people
So why should anyone follow any resolution or treaty?
Nuclear nonproliferation? Eh fuck it, you cant encroach on my sovereignty.
Alex_Mexico
Member
If only we (Mexico) were as progressive in other stuff as well. But hey, go us!
We will have to disagree on this, then.
Yeah now I'm seeing it more as defending death penalty in general. Still pretty gross.
Anyway, super cool to see that Mexico is one of the countries that proposed this <3
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Seems like the actual language is a lot broader than just same sex relations, OP. With that knowledge it's a lot clearer why countries with the death penalty would vote against the resolution.
Hmm
Seems sensationalized to generate more outrage, no?
Hmm
Seems sensationalized to generate more outrage, no?
Angelus Errare
Banned
An empty statement. Innocent people have been killed over "cold hard facts".
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
We don't just disagree. I will always remember you as someone who advocated for killing innocent people.
I deeply and desperately hope you educate yourself on the issue and one day come to terms with the true horror you are currently arguing for
China, India and Japan being against it makes it obvious that the issue here is the death penalty aspect and not the same sex part. Understandably the U.S. supports its interest in voting against it.
Byakuya769
Member
Wow. A lot of nations more concerned with potential criticism of their current use of the death penalty than people being killed merely for who they love.
Pathetic.I'm ashamed of the U.S.
Pathetic.I'm ashamed of the U.S.
SecretMoblin
Member
The OP uses an article from the Washington Blade, the venerable LGBT news outlet. Of course they're going to frame it that way, which is fine. The problem is that it leads to a thread like this, where suddenly people are debating Japanese treatment of gay people or doing the routine "fuck this, fuck that, the U.S. is a rogue state along with South Korea".
andythinkpad
Member
Why did Japan vote no, I don't get it.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Not often you feel ok for being british.
Militant17
Member
I never understood this line of thought, do you believe these people should die purely for retribution or revenge? I mean there is a reason why most of these people kill themselves before the cops get them, because they don't want to go to jail. I think life in jail is far more of a punishment for these people rather then martyrdom in death.
That's without going into the whole human rights issue i mean this is a bigger issue then you seem to think it is.
Because Japan has the death penalty.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I really don't understand what people think of Japan..... I don't get it. What about Japan makes anyone think they would approve this measure?
Exactly. Iirc, it's the same reason why the US never ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child. One of the provisions is that it outlaws the death penalty for children, so even though the US had a big hand in writing it, congress has never ratified it.
edit: also outlaws Life Imprisonment for people under 18/
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