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U.S. troops posed with body parts of Afghan bombers

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An American soldier says he released the photos to the Los Angeles Times to draw attention to the safety risk of a breakdown in leadership and discipline. The Army has started a criminal investigation.

The paratroopers had their assignment: Check out reports that Afghan police had recovered the mangled remains of an insurgent suicide bomber. Try to get iris scans and fingerprints for identification.

The 82nd Airborne Division soldiers arrived at the police station in Afghanistan's Zabol province in February 2010. They inspected the body parts. Then the mission turned macabre: The paratroopers posed for photos next to Afghan police, grinning while some held — and others squatted beside — the corpse's severed legs.

A few months later, the same platoon was dispatched to investigate the remains of three insurgents who Afghan police said had accidentally blown themselves up. After obtaining a few fingerprints, they posed next to the remains, again grinning and mugging for photographs.

Two soldiers posed holding a dead man's hand with the middle finger raised. A soldier leaned over the bearded corpse while clutching the man's hand. Someone placed an unofficial platoon patch reading "Zombie Hunter" next to other remains and took a picture.

The Army launched a criminal investigation after the Los Angeles Times showed officials copies of the photos, which recently were given to the paper by a soldier from the division.

"It is a violation of Army standards to pose with corpses for photographs outside of officially sanctioned purposes," said George Wright, an Army spokesman. "Such actions fall short of what we expect of our uniformed service members in deployed areas."

Wright said that after the investigation, the Army would "take appropriate action" against those involved. Most of the soldiers in the photos have been identified, said Lt. Col. Margaret Kageleiry, an Army spokeswoman.

The photos have emerged at a particularly sensitive moment for U.S.-Afghan relations. In January, a video appeared on the Internet showing four U.S. Marines urinating on Afghan corpses. In February, the inadvertent burning of copies of the Koran at a U.S. base triggered riots that left 30 dead and led to the deaths of six Americans. In March, a U.S. Army sergeant went on a nighttime shooting rampage in two Afghan villages, killing 17.

The soldier who provided The Times with a series of 18 photos of soldiers posing with corpses did so on condition of anonymity. He served in Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne's 4th Brigade Combat Team from Ft. Bragg, N.C. He said the photos point to a breakdown in leadership and discipline that he believed compromised the safety of the troops.

He expressed the hope that publication would help ensure that alleged security shortcomings at two U.S. bases in Afghanistan in 2010 were not repeated. The brigade, under new command but with some of the same paratroopers who served in 2010, began another tour in Afghanistan in February.

U.S. military officials asked The Times not to publish any of the pictures.

Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said the conduct depicted "most certainly does not represent the character and the professionalism of the great majority of our troops in Afghanistan.... Nevertheless, this imagery — more than two years old — now has the potential to indict them all in the minds of local Afghans, inciting violence and perhaps causing needless casualties."

Kirby added, "We have taken the necessary precautions to protect our troops in the event of any backlash."

Times Editor Davan Maharaj said, "After careful consideration, we decided that publishing a small but representative selection of the photos would fulfill our obligation to readers to report vigorously and impartially on all aspects of the American mission in Afghanistan, including the allegation that the images reflect a breakdown in unit discipline that was endangering U.S. troops."

The photos were taken during a yearlong deployment of the 3,500-member brigade, which lost 35 men during that time, according to icasualties.org, a website that tracks casualties. At least 23 were killed by homemade bombs or suicide bombers.

Suicide attacks on two bases of the brigade's 1st Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment killed six U.S. soldiers and four Afghan interpreters. The platoon whose soldiers posed for the photos was part of the battalion.

The soldier who provided the photos, and two other former members of the battalion, said in separate interviews that they and others had complained of inadequate security at the two bases.

An Army investigation into a July 2010 suicide attack in Kandahar that killed four U.S. soldiers found that senior members of the battalion had complained about security. But it concluded that force protection measures were "reasonable and prudent" in the face of limited resources.

Virtually all of the men depicted in the photos had friends who were killed or wounded by homemade bombs or suicide attacks, according to the soldier who provided the images. One paratrooper on the mission wore a bracelet bearing the name of a fallen comrade.

On the first mission, to the police station in the provincial capital of Qalat, Afghan police told the platoon that the severed legs belonged to a suicide bomber whose explosives detonated as he tried to attack a police unit, according to the soldier who provided the photos.

On the second mission, to the morgue in Qalat in late April or early May 2010, Afghan police told the platoon that explosives had detonated as three insurgents were preparing a roadside bomb.

The platoon was able to obtain some fingerprints from the corpses for a database maintained by U.S. forces, the soldier said.

The soldiers felt a sense of triumph and satisfaction, especially after learning that the insurgents had been killed by their own explosives, he said.

"They were frustrated, just pissed off — their buddies had been blown up by IEDs" — improvised explosive devices — the soldier said. "So they sort of just celebrated."

The Qalat photos were circulated among several members of the platoon, the soldier said, and soldiers often joked about them. Most of the soldiers in the photos were low-ranking — including six specialists or privates.

Col. Brian Drinkwine, then-commander of the 4th Brigade, and Lt. Col. David Oclander, then-commander of the 1st Battalion, said they were not authorized to comment on the photos.

The Pentagon declined a Times request that Army officials contact all active-duty soldiers in the photos to provide an opportunity to comment. The Times sent requests for comment by email and Facebook to seven soldiers in the photos. One, now serving in Afghanistan, declined to comment. The others did not respond.

The photos were taken during a tumultuous period in the brigade's deployment.

In January 2010, the commander of the brigade's 2nd Battalion and the battalion's top noncommissioned officer were relieved of duty and ordered home after slides with racial and sexist overtones were shown during daily PowerPoint briefings.

Separately, an Army investigation criticized Drinkwine for failing to prevent his wife from threatening and harassing some unit officers and their spouses during the deployment.

Ft. Bragg's commanding general, Lt. Gen. Frank Helmick, told the Fayetteville Observer in June 2010 that Drinkwine had created "a dysfunctional situation" in the unit. Drinkwine remained in command until after the deployment ended that August.

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MYE

Member
How fucking dumb can someone be and still get in the army?

They are FAR from helping themselves with shit like this
 

BosSin

Member
Disgusting, is this any different from showing beheadings of American soldiers?

Edit: oh it was done by an individual, i guess that's the main difference
 

MightyKAC

Member
How fucking dumb can someone be and still get in the army?

They are FAR from helping themselves with shit like this

The military in general isn't known for having the sharpest knives in the shed but the problem here lies not in the boots on the ground but in the leadership in charge of them. They can hem these soldiers up until hell freezes over but unless the brass gets its share of "recalibration" as well then things will simply not improve.
 

subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
US troops just can't stop having fun in Afghanistan.

I don't think any other army would behave any different.
 
Two soldiers posed holding a dead man's hand with the middle finger raised. A soldier leaned over the bearded corpse while clutching the man's hand. Someone placed an unofficial platoon patch reading "Zombie Hunter" next to other remains and took a picture.
This would be a lot more appropriate if they really were fighting zombies over there.
 

Aurongel

Member
Disgusting, is this any different from showing beheadings of American soldiers?

Edit: oh it was done by an individual, i guess that's the main difference

Another big difference being that the US soldiers aren't responsible for their deaths (suicide bomb).
 

ChiTownBuffalo

Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Is it weird that I'm not as upset because its the remains of a suicide bomber?
 

ChiTownBuffalo

Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Is it just that service attracts these kind of guys or is something going on over there to warp people like this?

I think its the process that breaks them down and builds them up to be soldiers.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Oh yeah, the person who died doesn't get any remorse or anything, it just seems distasteful and insensitive to the context of the situation to be posing and making light of the situation. I mean, Zombie Hunter, really?
 
Is it weird that I'm not as upset because its the remains of a suicide bomber?

Pretty much. Not that I condone the behavior but fuck suicide bombers and their promised virgins. Pure scum.

Is it just that service attracts these kind of guys or is something going on over there to warp people like this?

Speaking from my own personal experiences, I'd say that there are many in the military that are in solely due to their inability to function as productive members in society without the military structure. On the other hand I've known some people, good people, that are changed by being over there or constantly in extremely stressful environments. It's hard to explain the change, but you know it when you see it.
 
There is something hilarious about people being outraged over others mocking the bodies of those who chose to blow themselves up as suicide bombers.


The irony seems to be lost on most of the middle east these days.
 

zoukka

Member
It's war. You are bound to have people going insane, psychotic etc in there.

Every single person coming back will bring something from the war in them.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Nope I couldn't care less either.

Though it's pretty gross and weird and it makes me raise other questions about their sanity. But I'm not outraged or appalled here.

This post sums up my feelings, but more so importantly on the bolded... what kind of decisions does a solider need to make before he mentally snaps and starts killing his own guys?
 

Derrick01

Banned
The Geneva Convention that we say we follow?

Who cares in this case? Does the guy who blew himself up care that they're dancing with his legs or whatever?

As I said it's kind of gross and weird but no harm is being done here. They didn't butcher civilians and then do this, hell they didn't even kill these guys at all.
 

ChiTownBuffalo

Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
The Geneva Convention that we say we follow?

You know, I don't think the Geneva Conventions actually addressed human remains. Just treatment of POW's, wounded, sick and shipwrecked. There is a section for non-combatants and it addresses collective punishment.

But I don't think it addresses remains at all.
 
lol since when?
and what exactly does it say about how you should treat the remains of a suicide bomber?

And I mean technically we aren't at war with Afghanistan or whatever cave this asshole crawled out of so I'm not certasin the GC is enforceable here anyway. And I'm not counting the 'War on Terrorism'.
 
That's the point. Shouldn't we put our actions where our mouth is?
i uh
what
It requires respect for enemy remains and forbids ill-treatment of enemy dead.

but he isn't part of any enemy army, so it does not apply. Nor does it matter. Do you think these assholes who are blowing themselves up are going to factor in how we treat their dead into how they treat ours? Nah.
 
i uh
what

I'm saying we as a nation always talk regarding high morality and being a righteous nation (at least the leadership and public/gov't officials do). We should at least follow what we say and stop doing disgusting things like this, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, etc.


but he isn't part of any enemy army, so it does not apply. Nor does it matter. Do you think these assholes who are blowing themselves up are going to factor in how we treat their dead into how they treat ours? Nah.

We shouldn't stoop to their levels. Me, you, and others are better than posing with arms and limbs. That's just fucked up.
 
I'm saying we as a nation always talk regarding high morality and being a righteous nation (at least the leadership and public/gov't officials do). We should at least follow what we say and stop doing disgusting things like this, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, etc.

We shouldn't stoop to their levels. Me, you, and others are better than posing with arms and limbs. That's just fucked up.

They shouldn't do it and yes it looks bad to other nations but I don't want to see anyone get seriously punished for not respecting the remains of a suicide bomber. They do not deserve our respect.
 

TheMan

Member
tasteless and stupid, but in the grand scheme of things, worse things have happened in wars

these suicide bombers chose to blow themselves up, fuck them

slap the soldiers on the wrist and move on
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
That's the point. Shouldn't we put our actions where our mouth is?

Pretty sure it requires respect for enemy remains and forbids ill-treatment of enemy dead.

its hard to tell troops to follow the geneva convention when they're the only ones even attempting to respect it

its really hard to tell troops to respect an enemy that has no problem slapping a bomb to a pregnant woman
 

EdgecrusherLSU

Neo Member
I had a couple of friends in clinicals take pictures of themselves holding organs of a recently autopsied corpse. One was holding a brain and smiling stupidly and the other was holding intestines stretched out as far as his arms could go.

Are they better, worse or just as despicable as these troops?
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
They shouldn't do it and yes it looks bad to other nations but I don't want to see anyone get seriously punished for not respecting the remains of a suicide bomber. They do not deserve our respect.

There is a middle ground between "explicitly respecting" and "disrespecting". They don't have to burn his remains ceremonially or anything 
 

Steelrain

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TheNatural

My Member!
I don't get what these individuals think when they do this shit. Do they not realize doing this sort of stuff means that someone, somewhere else may face the consequences of a pissed off response?

It's sad that individuals that do this sort of thing make the armed forces get blasted.
 
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