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[Cunth]

Dana must hate welterweight. Woodley followed by Usman - the two biggest snoozer champions ever

 

[Unknown Quantity]

Easy defence.

 

[TrainedRage]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Yoboman]

Snoozeman

 

[Yoboman]

Stop mentioning Snoozeman in the same breath as GSP.

GSP please unretire so you can retire Usman

 

[Carton]

Good job by Masdival. The short notice had a major impact on his gas tank, but he used it wisely: an explosive start for his chance of an early finish, and then later small bursts. Pretty disappointing Usman didn’t pour it on more given the obviously fatigued Jorge.

 

[TrainedRage]

What a boring champ. Honestly, nothing but clinch shots and using his weight. Im sure he will be exposed soon enough. Im just salty all my pics except Rose lost.

Miss you JareBear: Remastered

 

[Yoboman]

UFC should break clinches if the fighter isn't looking to move position or takedown

 

[Cunth]

The good news is all my picks won

 

[Yoboman]

Also Dana feeding a potential money maker to the shark on short notice? Genius move

 

[Night.Ninja]

UFC should break clinches if the fighter isn't looking to move position or takedown

Did you not see the body work lol

 

[JimiNutz]

Got my beers, weed, wings and nuts ready.
Gonna stay up until 5am to watch this, which I rarely do these days, but the card is absolutely stacked.

Expecting to win:

Usman
Volk
Yan
Rose
Ribas


Want to win:

Masvidal
Holloway
Aldo
Rose
Don't care

So my expected picks were all 'right' in the end - although I definitely think Max won his fight so I don't consider it an accurate prediction on my part.

Was pleased to see Rose avenge her loss and although Aldo lost I think he can be proud of his performance against the younger, stronger Yan.

Disappointed for Holloway but think he comes back strong anyway as he knows he won that fight.

Masvidal did about as well as expected given the circumstances and Usman fought a very smart fight.

Goddamn it's 7am now lol
Time to go running with the dog to burn off some of this energy.

 

[pauljeremiah]

I have:
Masvidal
Volkanovski
Yan
Rose
Amanda

got 4 out of 5. Not too bad, usually I get 3 out of 5 for my predictions.

 

[Yoboman]

Did you not see the body work lol

The baby punches to the stomach? I saw

Its boring as shit. There is a reason boxing breaks clinches

Obviously MMA is different but if you are only using the clinch for point counting it is a bad precedent. If your clinch isn't advancing to a takedown attempt within a certain time it should be separated IMO

 

[Night.Ninja]

The baby punches to the stomach? I saw

Its boring as shit. There is a reason boxing breaks clinches

Obviously MMA is different but if you are only using the clinch for point counting it is a bad precedent. If your clinch isn't advancing to a takedown attempt within a certain time it should be separated IMO

LOL baby punches, tbh I use to be like you captain casual but still

Go back to playing video games

 

[MaestroMike]

lol

 

[MastAndo]

Usman did what he needed to do to win. Boring as all hell, but can't knock the hustle - it was a convincing victory.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

UFC should break clinches if the fighter isn't looking to move position or takedown

I agree.

Another thing refs should do is stop grappling when nothing's going on quicker. Refs do have discretion and will break them up, but it sure seems to take forever before the ref does that.

 

[Yoboman]

LOL baby punches, tbh I use to be like you captain casual but still

Go back to playing video games

Clinch punches are literally the lowest leverage, least damaging punches you can do. Usman literally had dozens and dozens of them and didnt stop his opponent

Have you been in a spar before? They are annoying, they can sometimes take your wind if you're not ready but more than anything they are just draining because you're constantly preparing your body against them.

And there is certainly no entertainment in watching it

They don't allow you to hold one position on the ground so Im not sure why they allow it on the fence

 

[Unknown Quantity]

Some great fights tonight, it's been fun, nite all.

We missed JareBear: Remastered , first mma thread without him. Hope all good.

 

[Carton]

They don't allow you to hold one position on the ground so Im not sure why they allow it on the fence

The issue I have with both of these is it rewards a passive opponent who makes no attempts to escape or mount an offence. In the guard, you can just close it and hug your opponent and beg the ref to stand it up, rather than open the guard and attempt some sweeps, submissions and escapes. Likewise, the clinch can be neutralised with aggressive defence and rewarding that with referee intervention removes incentive for offense. I’d rather a fighter have to take some risks and fight their way out which will then open up the game a lot more, and allow us to see more facets of MMA.

 

[Yoboman]

The issue I have with both of these is it rewards a passive opponent who makes no attempts to escape or mount an offence. In the guard, you can just close it and hug your opponent and beg the ref to stand it up, rather than open the guard and attempt some sweeps, submissions and escapes. Likewise, the clinch can be neutralised with aggressive defence and rewarding that with referee intervention removes incentive for offense. I’d rather a fighter have to take some risks and fight their way out which will then open up the game a lot more, and allow us to see more facets of MMA.

You make a great point

However I think its an overall better balance for the defender to shut down momentum of the clinch and wrestling and the attacker to be countering that, than the attacker being the one who wants to shut down momentum and hold a position. Afterall the attacker is already in the advantageous position

 

[abstract alien]

Some great fights tonight, it's been fun, nite all.

We missed JareBear: Remastered , first mma thread without him. Hope all good.

Be safe bro

 

[carlosrox]

Well that main event certainly coulda been more exciting.

For me the win was a bit diminished by the short notice opponent and how the fight ended up going. Like of course it's gonna be easier to tire a guy with no training out by playing that pressure game with no real damage.

I understand why, but that was a way safe win. Masvidal basically didn't have a chance to match that pressure game.

Nothing against Usman but it was pretty boring.

 

[Cunth]

Volkanovski gotta be feeling a bit shit. Even Dana was shitting on the result

 

[Carton]

You make a great point

However I think its an overall better balance for the defender to shut down momentum of the clinch and wrestling and the attacker to be countering that, than the attacker being the one who wants to shut down momentum and hold a position. Afterall the attacker is already in the advantageous position

I see your point. I must admit my opinion is biased by my particular interest in grappling and my preference for fights and their outcomes to hold true to old school MMA/Vale Tudo that were without or had longer rounds. Rounds have provided free stand ups and breaks from the clinch, so additional interference by refs, who have been in the past been over-zealous with them from my perspective, risks deviating further from the roots of the sport. It may mean less entertaining fights, but some of it can be countered by incentivising action as mentioned and also better scoring i.e. a takedown is rewarded, but hanging out on top in guard and doing nothing is no more favoured than a guy chilling out defensively from the bottom, so both fighters had better work.

 

[Carton]

Some great fights tonight, it's been fun, nite all.

We missed JareBear: Remastered , first mma thread without him. Hope all good.

Chunk was one of the core members who kept MMA alive on Gaf post the reset-era schism. I hope he’s keeping ok, he’s definitely missed.

 

[mekes]

Only watched the last 3, in reverse order which I think ended up being a good choice.

Usman is boring. Honestly the most boring champion to watch since Tim Silvia.

Max won. What in the world? Poor result to a good fight.

First time watching Yan. I like him, solid fighter. I can’t believe Aldo is only 33, I thought he was at least 5 years older. Ref should be embarrassed with that stoppage, poor reading of that situation. Feel sorry for Aldo having that ref.

 

[natjjohn]

Hit 4/5 on my bet. Oezdmir fucked it all up. Ribas, Yan, Volkanovski, and Santos all did their part.

 

[Night.Ninja]

I don't think the Aldo fight should have been stopped earlier. It's a championship fight and every time the ref said fight back Aldo would try change position. In these title fights fighters need to given a chance.

 

[Tesseract]

good night, standard fare

nice to be back, ggs mas

 

[Unknown Quantity]

Fight of the night was Yan v Aldo. In my humble opinion.

 

[SidViscous]

Glad I didn't stay up for that Usman performance. 25 minutes of hugging and foot stomps is almost Woodley levels of boring.

Holloway deserved the win, but if your the challenger you have to dominate those middle rounds so can't blame the judges for keeping the status quo.

 

[MaestroMike]

Strikers are usually more entertaining, but I think its very interesting seeing top-level strikers get neutralized by wrestlers and burning their gas tank.

 

[Irobot82]

Strikers are usually more entertaining, but I think its very interesting seeing top-level strikers get neutralized by wrestlers and burning their gas tank.

I think most people's complaints weren't them getting neutralized but the fact that Marty couldn't do much with it. Like Askren used to do at One and (the other place) or Khabib. Neutralize and then have their way with them. Khabib is the best at this. Once he has in his grasp it's game over, you are getting stomped. Marty wasn't doing much more than foot stomping like Jones used to do.

 

[GymWolf]

i have usman by and decision, volkabroski by decision, yan by ko, vanzant loosing by fake tits implant explosion and namajunas by ko.

got it

so glad that usman moped the floor with the poor jorge

 

[MaestroMike]

got it

so glad that usman moped the floor with the poor jorge

lol jorge only got cut from some headbutts and stopped plenty of takedowns and kept getting back up when he got taken down. other than that neither fighter looked damaged

 

[MaestroMike]

 

[Tesseract]

bloody fights

 

[GymWolf]

lol jorge only got cut from some headbutts and stopped plenty of takedowns and kept getting back up when he got taken down. other than that neither fighter looked damaged

it was still a pretty dominant performance by usman, and jorge did absolutely nothing during the standup were he was supposedly the better man.

jorge said himself during the post fight conference, it was a pretty shitty performance and he knows it.

 

[MaestroMike]

it was still a pretty dominant performance by usman, and jorge did absolutely nothing during the standup were he was supposedly the better man.

jorge said himself during the post fight conference, it was a pretty shitty performance and he knows it.

actually now that I think about it jorge's toes must be pretty sore usman did like 1,000 toe stomps lol

 

[GymWolf]

Perfect visual representation of halloway not winning the title saturday night

 

[highrider]

it was still a pretty dominant performance by usman, and jorge did absolutely nothing during the standup were he was supposedly the better man.

jorge said himself during the post fight conference, it was a pretty shitty performance and he knows it.

No, not dominant at all. He showed he couldn’t stand with a Jorge early on and naturally magnetized towards the crotch and foot stomps. That will be the last PPV you see in the UFC where he’s the top card. Universally has been called a trash performance. Nobody even wants to see that dude fight. It really says something when you have 3 and 4 ranked fighters that are much bigger draws than the champ.

 

[GymWolf]

No, not dominant at all. He showed he couldn’t stand with a Jorge early on and naturally magnetized towards the crotch and foot stomps. That will be the last PPV you see in the UFC where he’s the top card. Universally has been called a trash performance. Nobody even wants to see that dude fight. It really says something when you have 3 and 4 ranked fighters that are much bigger draws than the champ.

And even with that in mind he was still absolutely dominant because he completely nullified masvidal, i don't care if it was boring, it was not the point in discussion.
You can try to move the goalpost, doesn't change the fact that usman did what he want with masvidal and he was NEVER in danger not even for a second, if this is not the definition of dominant i don't know what to say.
It's masvidal fault if he can't keep usman away from him, look at volkanosky or jones trying to takedown holloway and reyes, they didn't had any success because their opponent had giod tqkedown and grappling defense, you can clearly see the difference in their defense compared to masvidal.

Don't be fooled by masvidal having an explosive first round, he still did nothing in term of damage.
Watch the 4th round, between the graplling usman was the one who threw the most clear punches during the entire fight, masvidal almost never hitted usman clean in 25 minutes except for a couple of body kicks (and usman returned a couple of them as well)
Even pillow punch colby did more damage to usman lol...

 

[highrider]

And even with that in mind he was still absolutely dominant because he completely nullified masvidal, i don't care if it was boring, it was not the point in discussion.
You can try to move the goalpost, doesn't change the fact that usman did what he want with masvidal and he was NEVER in danger not even for a second, if this is not the definition of dominant i don't know what to say.
It's masvidal fault if he can't keep usman away from him, look at volkanosky or jones trying to takedown holloway and reyes, they didn't had any success because their opponent had giod tqkedown and grappling defense, you can clearly see the difference in their defense compared to masvidal.

Don't be fooled by masvidal having an explosive first round, he still did nothing in term of damage.
Watch the 4th round, between the graplling usman was the one who threw the most clear punches during the entire fight, masvidal almost never hitted usman clean in 25 minutes except for a couple of body kicks (and usman returned a couple of them as well)
Even pillow punch colby did more damage to usman lol...

Usman at least traded with Colby, every time there was any extended stand up Masvidal was piecing him up, and Usman wisely used his strength to hug it out, I get it . It’s a smart move and I take nothing away from his ability. But dominant performance?! I don’t know what Nebraskan/Nigerian weed you were smoking when you watched that fight

 

[GymWolf]

Usman at least traded with Colby, every time there was any extended stand up Masvidal was piecing him up, and Usman wisely used his strength to hug it out, I get it . It’s a smart move and I take nothing away from his ability. But dominant performance?! I don’t know what Nebraskan/Nigerian weed you were smoking when you watched that fight

It was piecing nothing lol..,exactly like conor disn't pieced anything against khabib, just look at usman face after the fight.

But i get it, you are one of those people who like mma only when it's really a boxing or kick boxing match inside an octagon, not everyone loves wrestling and grappling.

I was extremely pleased by usman making masvidal his bitch for 25 minutes after all the shit talk

 

[highrider]

It was piecing nothing lol..,exactly like conor disn't pieced anything against khabib, just look at usman face after the fight.

But i get it, you are one of those people who like mma only when it's really a boxing or kick boxing match inside an octagon, not everyone loves wrestling and grappling.

I was extremely pleased by usman making masvidal his bitch for 25 minutes after all the shit talk

It was piecing nothing lol..,exactly like conor disn't pieced anything against khabib, just look at usman face after the fight.

But i get it, you are one of those people who like mma only when it's really a boxing or kick boxing match inside an octagon, not everyone loves wrestling and grappling.

I was extremely pleased by usman making masvidal his bitch for 25 minutes after all the shit talk

No I appreciate entertaining grappling. Not hugging it out and foot taps. Colby said it best, UFC, Ultimate Footsie Championship.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Snoozeman is very good and very effective but, jesus, he's boring. The Colby fight was obviously an outlier.

 

[Cunth]

Snoozeman is very good and very effective but, jesus, he's boring. The Colby fight was obviously an outlier.

Say that to my face, bitch. Imma lean on you. Literally.

-Kamaru Usman

 

[GymWolf]

No I appreciate entertaining grappling. Not hugging it out and foot taps. Colby said it best, UFC, Ultimate Footsie Championship.

i mean, i'm pretty sure that every guy in this forum would cry like a little bitch after some foot stomp or body punches from usman