I agree the triple lock should go, but it's interesting that the tories would do something that would significantly disgruntle a section of the population that lean conservative and have the highest % turn outs in elections. Is it going to win them more votes with younger voters than it could lose with pensioners?
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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brain_stew
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The Tories have the grey vote on lock down with or without the triple lock, and the long overdue removal of the triple lock benefits everybody else. I don't see what Labour have to gain from doubling down on this.
Randy Lanzarote
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Maintaining foreign aid budget
Removing the triple lock on pensions
Pressing ahead with increase to NI contributions for self employed
I could get behind all these policies.
Not that I'm going to start voting conservative anytime soon. But it is fun to see the Sun, Mail et al start to freak out this early.
Removing the triple lock on pensions
Pressing ahead with increase to NI contributions for self employed
I could get behind all these policies.
Not that I'm going to start voting conservative anytime soon. But it is fun to see the Sun, Mail et al start to freak out this early.
In this timeline the British public are given multiple chances to fix what we done fucked up. Multiple times we have refused the opportunity and are the architects of our own downfall as a financial influence in the global landscape.
im struggling to see any alternative to the Torres atm for anyone not in Scotland. Corbyn seems to be yet another inept labour leader and has a hell of a lot of work to do to change the general publics opinion of him. Teresa May is pure evil though but with that pure evil comes the opposite of Corbyn, a shrewd politician who knows how to pander the middle class England whilst furthering her own agenda.
I'll be voting SNP in the hope that I can get off this ship with Indy ref 2.
im struggling to see any alternative to the Torres atm for anyone not in Scotland. Corbyn seems to be yet another inept labour leader and has a hell of a lot of work to do to change the general publics opinion of him. Teresa May is pure evil though but with that pure evil comes the opposite of Corbyn, a shrewd politician who knows how to pander the middle class England whilst furthering her own agenda.
I'll be voting SNP in the hope that I can get off this ship with Indy ref 2.
While I agree, its not impossible. Polling can change quite a bit once campaigning actually starts and Labour can turn their perception around.
I too will be voting SNP though for the same reason.
Because In any other part of the country I'm likely to face racist abuse. Every time it step out of London I get comments these days.
I agree polling can change but Corbyn is gonna need to take advice from those around him which he has shown in the past he can be pretty stubborn. They aren't gonna be campaigning against Brexit which kind of neuters any regular manifesto given that Brexit is the reason for the election.
I hope I'm wrong and Corbyn has a massive epiphany and turns the party around but I just can't see it.
They will refuse to commit to substantive manifesto pledges so that they can later proceed with the cuts required to fund (hard) Brexit with impunity. This election is about jettisoning their 2015 manifesto so they can implement Brexit with a blank cheque. The 9 Lib Dem seats were doing nothing to prevent Theresa May implementing Brexit without a GE, but they had to abandon NICS increases for the self employed due to public outcry. Once the 2015 manifesto has been abandoned and they have their majority, they can push through whatever they like under the justification of "because Brexit".
I imagine the response from the Mail and the Sun will prompt the usual meaningless weasel-worded platitudes from TM but I wouldn't expect much beyond that, they're trying for a majority with perceived competence and Brexit being the issues they frame everything around, rather than substantive policies.
DrunkShogun
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Guess it's time for me to do my research. All of the parties are pretty poor and expect I will have to settle for the lesser evil.
Some people have no option. My career basically doesn't exist outside of London.
The Hamburglar
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ridiculous reason and completely hyperbole.
Yep, agreed.
I don't think you can really speak for another person's personal experience.
blazinglord
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Umm what?
I really urge you to get off threads about Brexit and stop relying on anecdotes of other people inside the London (or everyone-who-suppports-brexit-is-racist) bubble and actually experience the rest of the UK for yourself. You might be surprised.
I moved out of London about 14 years ago, and have lived in Norfolk and Suffolk since then. As an ethnic minority, I have not experience any overt 'racist abuse' or 'comment'. In fact, I have found that most locals I have come into contact with are more polite and friendlier than Londoners.
Huw_Dawson
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A few things this morning:
- Eric Pickles is standing down as an MP, robbing Americans of chuckles about his name and the House of Commons cafe of massive profit margins.
- The US is now apparently prioritizing a deal with the EU before us - fulfilling Obama's note that the UK would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal.
- I saw a really nice infographic that showed how voters had flowed from one party to another/don't know since the 2015 GE, and if was broken down by leave/remain voters, and I can't find it to link...
- Eric Pickles is standing down as an MP, robbing Americans of chuckles about his name and the House of Commons cafe of massive profit margins.
- The US is now apparently prioritizing a deal with the EU before us - fulfilling Obama's note that the UK would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal.
- I saw a really nice infographic that showed how voters had flowed from one party to another/don't know since the 2015 GE, and if was broken down by leave/remain voters, and I can't find it to link...
Wrestlemania
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"Please ignore your personal experience and instead listen to mine"
I completely understand how much easier it is to live outside London. If I was still in Southampton where I grew up, I could definitely get onto the property ladder. It is likely that I will buy something there eventually.
But at this stage of my life, my career is in London, and I enjoy living in London. It's a fun place to live. But you do have to pay for the privilege. And I'm fine with that.
Who knows how long I'll be in London for. But I don't get the 'lol London' attitude. It's a great place!
blazinglord
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Actually I said that he should step outside of London a bit more and judge for himself.
It seems patently ridiculous and short-sighted to be afraid to explore your own country you live in.
Miles Quaritch
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The poster's personal experience is hyperbole?
You're calling him a liar. Think about that. You're saying the poster doesn't experience what they experience because you're head is so far up your arse you refuse to accept and/or admit that some aspects of British are rotten to their core.
Wrestlemania
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What Miles just said ^
blazinglord
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I know it might not be common knowledge, but there are other cities other than London.
Nobody is suggesting he should move to Sunderland.
Oh well, his loss then.
I think it's gonna be difficult to muster up the courage to explore your own country when as Miles said the poster experienced something shitty the last time they tried to get out of London. The way the Brexit vote went is a pretty clear indication that there are large parts of the currently with a majority of racist assholes. That's not a great incentive to leave London if you are feeling reasonably happy with your personal circumstances.
Huw_Dawson
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https://twitter.com/jon_mellon/status/855542753656287232?s=09
Found it.
The data is very interesting for a few reasons. It explains the limited rise of the LDs in the polls (a loss of a lot of the leave voters) for one.
Mostly though it highlights the all-to-play-for swing voters of this election. The huge chunks of the UKIP vote that swung to undecideds will be the core body of people that provide the Tories with their landslide this election, and probably explain why the PM's rhetoric of why she is calling the election is being kept simple and authority-based.
Found it.
The data is very interesting for a few reasons. It explains the limited rise of the LDs in the polls (a loss of a lot of the leave voters) for one.
Mostly though it highlights the all-to-play-for swing voters of this election. The huge chunks of the UKIP vote that swung to undecideds will be the core body of people that provide the Tories with their landslide this election, and probably explain why the PM's rhetoric of why she is calling the election is being kept simple and authority-based.
The Tories to undecideds is where Corbyn needs to make his battle ground and that's a different one to go for. He needs to make his party accessible to lapsed Tories without alienating staunch Labour supporters. That's not an easy balance to achieve.
Anyone seen that article going round on Facebook saying "how many of these 20 Corbyn policies do you agree with"? I'm going to vote labour like I always do and I agree with all his policies in principle but I don't get the following - 18 of them will cost us more money and the 2 that don't involve taxing the rich more and I don't see how we survive Brexit (which he wants) and keep business in this country while making them pay more tax. How would you guys see this working? I ask here as you usually get more informed, reasoned discussion for the most part whereas my Facebook echo chamber will probably decry me and call me scum for daring to doubt Jezza
blazinglord
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It's not going to work.
Labour's main target is to hold onto as many seats as possible, which means appealing to their core supporters like yourself who support those policies. But ultimately, Corbyn isn't preparing for government.
If by some stroke of luck, he wins, then the Labour centrists will engineer a coup and remove him. Technically, the political leader of a the largest party in parliament does not have to be PM. Yes it would be unthinkable, but these are uncertain times and I just cannot see Corbyn getting the backing or votes of his own party to implement most of these policies let alone have him in Number 10.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Was out in my provincial, bumfuck-no-where, Royston Vasey hometown last night and managed to convince a few people to vote Labour regardless.
Everyone, literally everyone, who said they were a Labour voter said initially they couldn't vote for Corbyn.
He'd actually be more powerless in Number 10 because he'd have to cave to the PLP or the government would collapse instantly
Everyone, literally everyone, who said they were a Labour voter said initially they couldn't vote for Corbyn.
He'd actually be more powerless in Number 10 because he'd have to cave to the PLP or the government would collapse instantly
do they ever provide a reason or are they just saying what the media told them to say?
Billy_Pilgrim
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Ranged from him looking scruffy to full blown hating him for what he's doing to the Labour party
General sense of people feeling confused and abandoned, not knowing what to do or whether to vote at all.
This is in the safest of safe seats. Was actually surprised at how many conversations about it where happening. Couldn't resist involving myself.
The Hamburglar
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true, but lets not pretend everyone outside of london is white and/or racist just becasue of brexit.
his comment is ridiculous.
You really need to drop this, it's patronising and dumb. I work with very senior labour activists, and *they* aren't voting for him. There are very valid reasons for not liking Jeremy Corbyn and you can't just blame the press all the time.
PJV3
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He didn't say that, and you don't need even a fifth of the population being cunts to have problems.
Yup, the guy can't lead his own party. How will he manage a divided Britain? It's pretty amazing that I still think he's the best choice. We're basically fucked.
blazinglord
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Corbyn will never cave, he is too 'principled' (read: stubborn).
Due to the fixed term parliament act, it's not a given that the government would just collapse and new elections are held. If say Yvette Cooper or Clive Lewis got enough Labour MPs behind them, and Corbyn lost a motion of no confidence, the Queen would just appoint the person who could command the confidence of the house i.e. Cooper or Lewis even though they were not leader of the Labour party.
It would all be very Game of Thrones, but I would consider that a more realistic prospect than five years of PM Corbyn if Labour won the election.
To be fair, he does look remarkably scruffy. I saw a photo of him in the newspaper this morning and I was wondering how he manages it because he was wearing a shirt and blazer reading to school kids. I think it's the beard.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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I've tried lots of googling, lots of online who do i side with quizzes and websites which only told me the party i side most with is the SNP by a whopping 36%. So i'll just ask the general public regardless of how much flak i get.
Is there a political party in the UK which seeks the end and replacement of capitalism, and supports the rise of a democratically elected supreme head of state akin to total authoritarian?
Is there a political party in the UK which seeks the end and replacement of capitalism, and supports the rise of a democratically elected supreme head of state akin to total authoritarian?
Chittagong
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I've been 9 years in UK, never encountered anything negative about being foreign. Guess it helps I'm Finnish.
Billy_Pilgrim
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SWP, Socialist Party, RCG, Communist Party
PJV3
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This led me to old Finnish people with things on their heads, I demand you immediately go to the nearest airport.
locke_21183
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You only get one!
Election fever is very interesting. I'm standing in the County elections on May 4th in a Lab/Green area that I *could* win. No idea how the sudden introduction of the General is going to affect the outcome.
Wrestlemania
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If there was a ranking of races/nationalities most likely to experience some form of xenophobic/racial abuse in the UK, I imagine Finnish would be pretty far down the list.
PJV3
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I don't bother with her, nothing is going to come forth, it's all trust in me like Kaa the snake.
jufonuk
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wife is French lived here 15 years, has so far not experienced any crap (touch wood), my stepdaughter did from some twatty classmate - she slapped him so that's good on her.
90 minutes out from Central London isn't London. I could live in Hampshire and get to Waterloo in well under 90 minutes. Even Portsmouth is only a 1 hr 40 min journey.
It is quite incredible and there's practically limitless things to see and do, but not everyone's into multicultural, sprawling metropolises I guess.
This has been her thing for a long time. I know most people don't watch Prime Minister's Questions, but 90-95% of the time she evades a tough question by talking about how bad things would be if the party of the person asking was in charge.
Pyroclastic
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It's an absolutely depressing thought that you have received racist abuse in a high number of places outside London, Sheentrak. I would like to think we have other tolerant cites (even if nowhere is as much of a melting pot as London) where I'd be very surprised were it to happen and there wouldn't be high support for anyone abused at a minimum though.
PJV3
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The press love her and the public have given her unqualified support, will not even consider voting labour. The country moans about the opposition but doesn't act like they want one.
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