Nicktendo86
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Confirmed 62-38 to Corbyn.
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UK Labour Leadership Crisis: Corbyn retained as leader by strong margin
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It's true, thought it was interesting anyway.
Labour aren't toast they are fucking carbon.
Nicktendo86
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Leadership election hall only half full apparently.
cartoon_soldier
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Sounds like labor wants to stay losing in general elections.
Personally pleased with the result, but it really depends on how the Labour Party unites from here.
Corbyn needs to step up his leadership game; equally, the rest of the PLP needs to stop whining, get over this and get behind him for the good of the party and good of the country.
Corbyn needs to step up his leadership game; equally, the rest of the PLP needs to stop whining, get over this and get behind him for the good of the party and good of the country.
Nicktendo86
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And of course, Gerry Adams has already tweeted support.
Sir_Crocodile
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tory goverment till at least 2025. hope corbyn supporters are proud of themselves
JonathanEx
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Well, I now look forward to his failure to run to the party, and then blame everyone else for questioning him there
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labour MPs now have a choice of working with Corbyn, or deselections being on the table. That's just the way it is. Nearly four in five CLPs endorsed Corbyn. Over four in five Labour MPs didn't. If they continue to oppose, they don't really leave the membership any choice.
Burnham was (stunningly) right. Any Labour MP thinking of "opposing from the backbenches" is just deluding themselves.
Burnham was (stunningly) right. Any Labour MP thinking of "opposing from the backbenches" is just deluding themselves.
Very very very very very very very very very very very very very proud
cartoon_soldier
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The party whines because he is not a leader nor has any idea how to be one.
Hot Coldman
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I'd express hope this is the kick up the arse the PLP need to take this whole thing seriously and professionally, but I'm tired of being that deluded.
AHA-Lambda
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Congrats people >_>
With Brexit there'll be nothing stopping them from doing whatever they want.
Britain is as democratic as Russia at this point, the sad part is that the Tories didn't even need to rig any elections to get to that point. What a shit show.
Nicktendo86
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I actually think labour will do OK in the next few weeks, they will concentrate on opposition to grammar schools which the party will get around and I would not be shocked if labour improve in the polls.
It's after Christmas things will start going really wrong, especially if my gut feeling of art 50 in Feb then a snap general election is right.
It's after Christmas things will start going really wrong, especially if my gut feeling of art 50 in Feb then a snap general election is right.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
End of the Labour party.
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Perhaps Labour can now spend some time actually being an opposition party now that it's not being plagued by internal struggles.
The Hamburglar
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Both of them were idiots tbh. If the best labour could come up with to corbyn was smith then seriously... The guy wants to negotiate with Isis.
frankie_baby
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If labour aren't polling well then it would be in their interests to prevent a snap election happening
Bony Manifesto
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Er, doesn't Corbyn want to negotiate with Isis as well?
Hot Coldman
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Yeah, everyone's attitudes need to change here. But at least if the PLP does fall in line (ehhhh) then any continued public indifference to Corbyn's way can be directly blamed on the man himself.
The opposition to Corbyn has thus far been utterly unconvincing: maybe they should just let him play himself for a time.
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They can't. As long as the Conservatives have a majority and don't have rebels (and why would there be rebels if they expect to win?), they can repeal the FTPA, and elections go back to being a Royal Prerogative. FTPA only worked during the coalition, because the Lib Dems could have refused to vote for a repeal if it wasn't in their interest and denied the Conservatives a majority for repeal. It's meaningless now. If May wants an election, May gets an election.
frankie_baby
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A repeal of the FTPA could and likely would get blocked in the lords
smith said yes, corbyn said no. It made smith look properly foolish
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At the worst possible time.
This was such a pointless and premature leadership challenge, Smith never even got within touching distance. Meanwhile the rail network has gone from bad to worse, we've signed ourselves up to a chinese owned nuclear power station that will somehow make our energy more expensive, and the education system has been booted another decade into the past. All with more opposition from the tory back benches than the actual opposition party.
Does Labour need a different leader to win an election? Almost certainly yes. Do you have a better one? No? Then STFU and at least pretend to support the current one.
Does Labour need a different leader to win an election? Almost certainly yes. Do you have a better one? No? Then STFU and at least pretend to support the current one.
travisbickle
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Maybe the PLP shouldn't have put forward a wet-rag-on-a-stick as the alternative.
Bony Manifesto
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Yeah, I just looked it up, and Corbyn said he wanted the government to maintain back-channels for Isis to talk to us, but not to open a dialogue. Apologies.
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Under the old electoral college system, Smith would have won with between 55.9% and 54.9% (difficult to tell precisely because we don't know how MPs would have voted, I've provided the figures for 18 pro-Corbyn MP votes and 25 pro-Corbyn MP votes). Corbyn would have needed 60 MP votes, given the members and affiliates, to win under the old system, which he probably wouldn't have got.
Not really any news, given Burnham would have been party leader under the old system, but I do think it illustrates perhaps why the Labour Party became so out of touch - after Blair killed conference democracy and Labour HQ started imposing candidate shortlists, the only real communication channel between members and the party was the leadership election, and that channel was distorting the message pretty heavily.
Not really any news, given Burnham would have been party leader under the old system, but I do think it illustrates perhaps why the Labour Party became so out of touch - after Blair killed conference democracy and Labour HQ started imposing candidate shortlists, the only real communication channel between members and the party was the leadership election, and that channel was distorting the message pretty heavily.
The doom and gloom presented by people anti-Corbyn doesn't help. "Out of power for a generation" "Labour is ruined". If this narrative continues, Labour will never have a chance.
A hopeful future needs to presented. A united party. Compromises must be made by all sides of the party. But the main thing I feel is needed is to present a positive message, and to be more effective in tearing down the Tories.
Continuing the doom and gloom about Corbyn won't help anyone. If the right of the Labour Party push that narrative, it'll become even longer before they have any sort of power.
A hopeful future needs to presented. A united party. Compromises must be made by all sides of the party. But the main thing I feel is needed is to present a positive message, and to be more effective in tearing down the Tories.
Continuing the doom and gloom about Corbyn won't help anyone. If the right of the Labour Party push that narrative, it'll become even longer before they have any sort of power.
Snarfington
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The Labour Party has an enormous undertaking now to make themselves visibly united and credible, and unfortunately I don't think either of the candidates could have done it. It's a shame though that they're stuck with a selfish echo-chamber minority base for the time being.
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I'm much less confident. For example, I reckon the Lib Dems would love an election right now, with Labour in the current state it is. I could very much see a backroom deal where the border changes are dropped in exchange for an FTPA repeal.
Napoleonthechimp
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Good. Because what was it before other than a bunch of odious war mongers backed by spineless weaklings.
The tories and right wingers have shown themselves for what they are. And after this Brexit bullshit no one is going to bother with any of them again.
Get rid of the lot. A full clean out from top to bottom.
Royal_Phalanx
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I want to get out of this ride
You are living in a fantasy land
APZonerunner
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This is a nice pipe dream, but where this really leads is a weak, fractured Labour and a Tory party forced to unite (thus the departure of Cameron from MP status and the cabinet firebombing May did), which in turn translates to a Tory party emboldened and surely impossible to beat for at least a decade.
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I don't think Corbyn being replaced would have helped the Labour party.
I don't think it's Corbyn that people don't like about the labour party.
I don't think it's Corbyn that people don't like about the labour party.
Napoleonthechimp
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Left leaning types hate the lot and the right wingers will hate them when they're not given the hard brexit they fantasise about.
And replace them with who exactly? Parties are representatives of their bases. Where are all these left-wing voters and representatives that weren't part of the labour party before going to come from?
At least centrist labour voters can take comfort in the knowledge this is the death throes of a movement that was mortally wounded during the 70's. Impotent people clutching at the last vestiges of an ideological strand that wont ever see real power again. The Labour base will eventually grow up and realise compromise is inevitable if you actually want to govern.
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I'm inclined to agree. The electorate isn't keen on Corbyn. They're also not keen on Labour for independent reasons. Getting rid of Corbyn wasn't going to do anything without also happening in tandem with several other changes. Those changes weren't going to happen. So getting rid of Corbyn wouldn't have done anything.
Whoever won, Labour lost.
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