PJV3
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Yeah, they created a siege mentality, it's a shame because he does inspire activists that are useful in s general election.
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UK Labour Leadership Crisis: Corbyn retained as leader by strong margin
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Yeah, they created a siege mentality, it's a shame because he does inspire activists that are useful in s general election.
Ideologue make poor leaders in FPTP Parties. Europe proved just how much of an ideologue Corbyn is, as he basically failed to follow the parties policy.
No. This is the 24/7 media age. He is simply not presentable as a leader. He has no charisma either. People don't want to hear that but it plays a big role in convincing the marginal voter.
I'm not sure he actually does. As is fairly obvious, I'm quite connected to the party and heavily involved with a lot of people who are. I don't know a single activist who backs him - the people who canvass, go door knocking, stand outside tube stations in the rain we all heavily opposed. They want someone who can actually win, they aren't interested in a social uprising. If you are asking someone to do all that leg work for free you want something to show at the end of it.
He probably at least won the plurality of those people in the leadership election. Not so sure about now though.
He won the plurality of members, absolutely. But there's a big divide between the people who pay membership, and the activists and ground troops who run campaigns. Every Corbyn voter I know is a filly paid up party member, but doesn't volunteer.
Mind you that's all anecdotal - I mean, I don't know any Corbyn voters anymore as they all now regret it, so that shows how much my tales count... ;-)
This is nothing to do with the tweet, but Corbyn's biggest mistake may have been to bring Milne onboard, from what I understand he's been using the position to settle a long list of pretty grievances generally being a class A arsehole.
Admittedly I live in Islington of all places so I definitely have a skewed perspective haha.
Yes. He is an apologist for Stalin.
A weaker leader could have been helped by a cabinet that united behind him. That, in fact, was their line whenever they pushed one of the clones. 'We know they're not really leadership material but we should unite behind them'. And then Corbyn won and they threw the toys out of the pram.
Shadow cabinet ministers appointed in the last few days are also resigning:
They united behind Miliband and they didn't win a majority because he wasn't seen as a good leader, Corbyn is clearly worse.
https://twitter.com/EmmaLewellBuck/status/748099883173810176
https://twitter.com/PatGlassMP/status/748099557490298880
They united behind Miliband and they didn't win a majority because he wasn't seen as a good leader, Corbyn is clearly worse.
Yeah, and their own contestants were a group of people so utterly boring they couldn't even win a vote within their own party. Maybe if good leadership is so important to the PLP they should work on delivering a candidate who has even the barest hint of it.
Milliband is proof positive again that this is wrong. You need to be presentable.
I agree that the last bunch of leadership candidates were dire. Sadly, Corbyn has been much worse. Whatever their faults, I don't think the party would be on the brink of dissolution under Burnham or Cooper.
Again, to a certain extent it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm sure Corbyn would have been happy to have his 'opponents' serve in the shadow cabinet, but they all announced that they would refuse before the contest was over.
The party is on the edge of meltdown because of self-sabotage by the PLP because they don't like Corbyn. That's hardly his fault.
JonathanEx
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The second Corbyn steps down, this meltdown will significantly de-escalate though. Still tensions, but you know, not the vast majority of MPs splintering to a new party.
IN OTHER NEWS
The Chakrabarti Inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is expected to come out tomorrow.
I can't remember what comedy show did a 2020 'Do you remember when there used to be a Labour party' bit recently. But it's turning out accurate.
If you want to blame the PLP go ahead, I'm not sure what difference it makes.
Silent Chief
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The party's gone into labour, trying to give birth to a new leader.
This is my exact counter point. Miliband managed to hold the party together despite everything pointing to him being unelectable. Hell Brown managed to hold off the Blairites at their prime and in the middle of economic chaos.
This isn't working as he's lost the support of his colleagues... and this is coming from someone who defended Brown, Miliband and Corbyn from day one but when it's time to go it's time to go.
Gives you more time to do your social uprising too.
If so, goes to show how petty and childish Corbyn supporters are.
Camp Freddie
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I see that Corbyn has organised tens of thousands of people to protest in defence of his leadership.
Why didn't he get those tens of thousands out on the streets campaigning for Remain?
Utterly useless shitweasel.
Why didn't he get those tens of thousands out on the streets campaigning for Remain?
Utterly useless shitweasel.
You are aware the majority of the cabinet was behind him?
After Corbyns election the party was in three groups.
1) Corbyn defenders. The small, far left wing of the party that had always revelled and evens thorn in the leaderships side,who were now in charge
2) the 'make it work' group - the majority of MPs. Not happy with the result but willing to try. Includes Andy Burnham. These have not been sabotaging him. They are the majority of MPs both left and right (remember Corbyn is not the sole leftie in parliament - there are left wing folks who disagree with him)
3) the 'kill it at all costs' group, aka The Blairites. Consists of around 20 MPs tops. Worth noting that several Blairites fall in camp 2, as they recognised it was a lost cause. They have very little power or influence right now.
The current issues are being caused by the entire 'make it work' camp, from both wings of the party, saying enough is enough. Not only are the polls dreadful for the party, but in the Remain campaign they got constant feedback that Corbyn was a dreadful leader on the doorstep, and that counts for a *lot* with labour MPs. Additionally, one thing that does bind all wings of the party together is a commitment to Europe, and Corbyns sabotage of that was the straw that broke the camels back for many MPs - they see it, rightfully, as an utter betrayal after they fell into line and worked with Corbyn after the result.
Anyone who thinks this is because the MPs refused to back him as leader and have been causing trouble ever since simply hasn't been following politics and doesn't understand how the labour part works. The party has an endemic fear of decapitations - this is unprecedented in modern times. This is solely on Corbyn - the guy is not fit to run a major party.
CyclopsRock
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Plus there was that time he went to a CND rally to argue against his own party's policy.
Well, how about that? Great minds think alike!
In fact, I just did the deed an hour ago!
If enough of us join now to oust the twattish little gnome, maybe the party can be saved!
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...hey, let me dream a little, OK?
NekoFever
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You know politics have gone mad in this country when the leader of the Tory party is telling Corbyn to quit. They were ecstatic when he was elected because it guaranteed them the next election.
Cameron clearly loathes Corbyn for screwing the Remain campaign over. When he was talking to Farron the other day he pointedly thanked him for sharing a platform with Cameron even though they didn't always agree, unlike some people..
There, fixed that for you.
NekoFever
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It was the final straw for me. I thought he was a ridiculous choice because he'd get annihilated in a general but I was willing to give it time for them to come around. But with this, plus the distinct possibility of a general in the next year that turns into the right of the Tories and UKIP show, we need an actually electable Labour party.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah his comments about not basically winning an election will be seen as unions as unacceptable, the tories will be able to finish them off in that case and strip them of any threat or influence.
Will be very interesting to see the result. Hopefully they're not too blinded by socialist dogma to see the truth.
I don't think they are, I wouldn't be surprised if they come out praising him but deciding he has to go
JonathanEx
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I see Ed Miliband is now calling for him to step down. Fucking Blairite traitor.
Is that how you do it?
Is that how you do it?
Nah. You just have to show his obviously sterling track record as Labour party leader. It's crazy how he totally won the GE in a landslide, but then said "nah, I'm gonna be a ledge and let Davey run the country some more".
JonathanEx
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Corbyn's plan to destroy the party, sorry, for the future here: https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/748126566811602944
(It's in an image and I can't get the link on mobile, apologies)
(It's in an image and I can't get the link on mobile, apologies)
Camp Freddie
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Cameron is using reverse psychology here. By telling him to quit, he deepens Corbyn's resolve to stay, leading to an ongoing omnishambles that distracts the media from reporting on Tory infighting during their leadership election.
Labour politicians tend to be loyal (in public at least), since traitors have been dealt with harshly in the past.
This has all been precipitated by Benn being outed by the Observer, forcing his insurrection plan into action before it was ready.
The message from Labour MPs and pollsters is that Corbyn just doesn't inspire confidence outside of unionised public sector workers and students. The private sector working class don't seem to like him much.
ferrasvansen
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The man should never be more important than the party.
If his lost the party and lost the wider electorate then he should go.
Thing is, this seems a bit shittily done to remove Corbyn.
The same PLP that have basically been saying fuck you since the leadership election are now saying the party is in conflict because of you; but they pretty much threw the shit fit in the first place. Even if he resigns, they come off as intolerant, uncooperative, and insular.
Anyone with half a brain is staying quiet.
The same PLP that have basically been saying fuck you since the leadership election are now saying the party is in conflict because of you; but they pretty much threw the shit fit in the first place. Even if he resigns, they come off as intolerant, uncooperative, and insular.
Anyone with half a brain is staying quiet.
There are a hundred reasons to kick him out, but firstly and foremost (and what has promoted this) is his duplicity and treachery in deliberately undermining Labour Party policy, and the people who voted for him.
Jeremy Corbyn fucked over the young people of this country, deliberately. Screw him.
CyclopsRock
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Tbh that experience - being a Labour leader who lost to a Tory - puts him in the upper 0.00001% when it comes to being in a position of experience in what Corbyn's going to go through. Maybe he's worth listening to?
Do go on...
Um no, please lease my post above.
This is not the usual tiny band of trouble makers. This is the entire party, plus numerous advisors. People who accepted posts in the shadow cabinet TWO DAYS AGO have resigned.
Literally, the entire PLP apart from the small group of ultra-loyalists have gone. The normal people who support him have gone. He has literally no support in parliament to stay. It doesn't matter what the leadership result is, he cannot command a party and if he refuses to go the party is going to end up splitting.
Faith militant. Total shitlord.
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