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[Huw_Dawson]

Honestly, this is one of those things where I'd buy the short term pain for long term gain argument. This country needs its ego popped and, even if it's going to hurt, it would be for the best.

The government is going to implement a screwball Brexit that pleases nobody. My hunch is that it drives more people to the political fringes if there is not a centrist party to actually take control and lead the more sane voters back into Europe.

 

[PJV3]

The government is going to implement a screwball Brexit that pleases nobody. My hunch is that it drives more people to the political fringes if there is not a centrist party to actually take control and lead the more sane voters back into Europe.

I think people will just end up mildly disappointed that taking the UK back 40 years isn't the future, and it doesn't actually change anything for the better.

 

[Xando]

The sharks are starting to go for the prey

#BREAKING Luxembourg claims right to host EU banking body after Brexit

https://twitter.com/afp/status/847428567398924288

Will be interesting to see who gets what

 

[Funky Papa]

Juncker threatens to promote Ohio independence after Trump’s Brexit backing

“The newly elected U.S. president was happy that Brexit was taking place, and asked other countries to do the same,” Juncker said at a conference of the center-right European People’s Party in Malta, the Financial Times reported.

“If he goes on like that I am going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas.”

Oh, Juncker. Almost tempted to make a new thread just to see AmeriGAF's reaction.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Juncker threatens to promote Ohio independence after Trump’s Brexit backing


Oh, Juncker. Almost tempted to make a new thread just to see AmeriGAF's reaction.

Do it. I imagine a lot of people would point to California as the more obvious case, but also how such would benefit Trump/Putin, so on.

 

[Funky Papa]

Do it. I imagine a lot of people would point to California as the more obvious case, but also how such would benefit Trump/Putin, so on.

He's obviously trolling. Our penance is that the president of the EC is also our shit talker in chief.

Because Juncker really likes to talk some shit.

 

[RocknRola]

The sharks are starting to go for the prey


https://twitter.com/afp/status/847428567398924288

Will be interesting to see who gets what

Hope things remain civil though. Every country in the EU is looking to get something from Brexit, but I hope that in itself doesn't cause issues between them.

Juncker threatens to promote Ohio independence after Trump’s Brexit backing


Oh, Juncker. Almost tempted to make a new thread just to see AmeriGAF's reaction.

lol

That would be hilarious in all the right ways.

 

[PJV3]

He's obviously trolling. Our penance is that the president of the EC is also our shit talker in chief.

Because Juncker really likes to talk some shit.

Yeah I don't want us to sink to Trump's level or get the patriotic loons excited.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

He's obviously trolling. Our penance is that the president of the EC is also our shit talker in chief.

Because Juncker really likes to talk some shit.

I realise. Just predicting how AmeriGAF might take it.

But yeah, can appreciate that sort of humour in response to a nominal ally shitting the bed.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Really odd mood today. Everyone knew it was coming and yet, everyone I've met is sad.

People are still sad at a funeral even thought its a time after the person has died.

Its going to be a somber few years, hopefully the hardest hit are the people who voted to Leave but even then I feel some sympathy as they've been misled and conned by people who... Nevermind, I don't even understand how The Mail, 'Brexiteers' and their ilk actually benefit from this.

 

[Joni]

The sharks are starting to go for the prey

https://twitter.com/afp/status/847428567398924288

Will be interesting to see who gets what

I think it will be nicely spread out. There is something really wrong about Luxembourg getting banking though.

Juncker threatens to promote Ohio independence after Trump’s Brexit backing

Oh, Juncker. Almost tempted to make a new thread just to see AmeriGAF's reaction.

Do it! I'd love to see how Trump would react if Juncker actually went and did it.

 

[Xando]

Juncker threatens to promote Ohio independence after Trump’s Brexit backing


Oh, Juncker. Almost tempted to make a new thread just to see AmeriGAF's reaction.

Juncker gonna Juncker.


I actually kinda like him though

 

[boxoctosis]

People are still sad at a funeral even thought its a time after the person has died.

Its going to be a somber few years, hopefully the hardest hit are the people who voted to Leave but even then I feel some sympathy as they've been misled and conned by people who... Nevermind, I don't even understand how The Mail, 'Brexiteers' and their ilk actually benefit from this.

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

 

[Protome]

People are still sad at a funeral even thought its a time after the person has died.

Its going to be a somber few years, hopefully the hardest hit are the people who voted to Leave but even then I feel some sympathy as they've been misled and conned by people who... Nevermind, I don't even understand how The Mail, 'Brexiteers' and their ilk actually benefit from this.

You know that Bond movie where the news tycoon is trying to start a war so that he can sell more newspapers?

Brexit is going to fuck the country, not disastrously or irreversibly but enough that papers talking about immigrants taking jobs and ruining the country and how we should get rid of them now that we can will sell like hotcakes to Brexit voters.

 

[theaface]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

I just can't understand this. Or for worse? Totally irrespective of your reasons for voting leave, if it makes things worse, then how/why can you be pleased about it? Is there some obscure 'ends justify the means' bigger picture I'm not seeing that you are? It defies the most basic common sense.

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

People are still sad at a funeral even thought its a time after the person has died.

Its going to be a somber few years, hopefully the hardest hit are the people who voted to Leave but even then I feel some sympathy as they've been misled and conned by people who... Nevermind, I don't even understand how The Mail, 'Brexiteers' and their ilk actually benefit from this.

For these people leaving the EU is the only "benefit" that matters.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

Okay... So, I'm going to gloss over the 'for worse' thing and just as about the superstate. You're left wing. That's cool, so am I. What is your opposition to your actual fear here? I understand why it seems scary but the EU has actually fined companies for dodgy dealings, taxed appropriately, enforced workers rights and done a lot that our state does not do that strengthens itself against the bourgeoisie and by your vote you've left the UK in a situation where a heavily anti-worker party is in power and will be in power for the foreseeable future if the SNP either get their referendum or continue to vote SNP when they don't.

I understand your opposition but you're making Britain a far worse country and a more neo-liberal country purely because of the prospect of a super-state so I can't really tie your point of view together.

You know that Bond movie where the news tycoon is trying to start a war so that he can sell more newspapers?

Brexit is going to fuck the country, not disastrously or irreversibly but enough that papers talking about immigrants taking jobs and ruining the country and how we should get rid of them now that we can will sell like hotcakes to Brexit voters.

I guess I just hoped it wasn't that paper thin and dumb.

For these people leaving the EU is the only "benefit" that matters.

Likewise to above, I guess but 'immigration' was the most used word by Leave so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[AlexFlame116]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

Oooh boy. Here we go.

 

[kmag]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

I must admit I've always found the left wing critique of the EU fucking baffling. Lets leave the 'neoliberal' superstate to give the right wing fucknuts free reign + ? = prosper.

The right wing lets get rid of all those pesky protections we don't like I get.

I thought the left was all about bringing down borders.

 

[PJV3]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

I'm a left winger and was tempted to vote leave, but I live in the UK so I would go back 40 years but without a decent left wing movement and crippled unions.

Politics for me is getting as close to what I want as possible, handing the country to the Tories for a generation has no appeal.

 

[Walshicus]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

If you think the countries will shift further left as a result of leaving the EU then... Well, I just don't know how anyone could believe that for even a second.

I mean a vote for Leave was a vote against left wing values, workers and consumers rights. A vote in favour of those whose sole desire to leave was to remove those few glorious protections the EU guaranteed in order to sell off the nations' assets.


I mean seriously, what planet were you living on to think that left wing ideals would win out from this???

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Every pro brexit post I ever read on GAF sounds something like this: So hey guys I just took 10 sleeping pills and drowned them with whiskey. I don't know what will happen next but let's see how this pans out for better or worse.

 

[tuxfool]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

I've always found "we don't know how it will pan out", a simpering appeal that contradicts all known data available at the time. Hey, the Tories are in power, they want to turn the UK into a tax haven, scrap regulations and laws protecting people, destroy the NHS.


BUT IT MIGHT BE GREAT, I TELL YOU.

As it applies to stupidity, the horseshoe theory is well alive.

 

[Veidt]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

I'm so sorry. Brexit, just today with the repeal bill, has handed all legislation over to the Tories. Goodbye workers rights.

 

[Vhalyar]

Every pro brexit post I ever read on GAF sounds something like this: So hey guys I just took 10 sleeping pills and drowned them with whiskey. I don't know what will happen next but let's see how this pans out for better or worse.

Well you do need to be a little addled to be cool with leaving; naturally or medically.

 

[PJV3]

I've always found "we don't know how it will pan out", a simpering appeal that contradicts all known data available at the time.

Hey, the Tories are in power, they want to turn the UK into a tax haven, scrap regulations and laws protecting people, destroy the NHS.


BUT IT MIGHT BE GREAT, I TELL YOU.

A couple of nationalism inspired wars and the country will be ripe for socialism.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

I must admit I've always found the left wing critique of the EU fucking baffling. Lets leave the 'neoliberal' superstate to give the right wing fucknuts free reign + ? = prosper.

The right wing lets get rid of all those pesky protections we don't like I get.

I thought the left was all about bringing down borders.

I imagine part of the notion is that without the supporting infrastructure of the EU, and/or the ability to blame our woes on the EU boogieman, it should be easier to turn a critical gaze on our own, domestic government and realise thats where we need to start if we wanna fix things. Momentarily cede power to the right in the hopes of making it easier to defeat them in the long run.

Now, whether or not that supposition is correct, we'll sure see, won't we?

 

[boxoctosis]

I just can't understand this. Or for worse? Totally irrespective of your reasons for voting leave, if it makes things worse, then how/why can you be pleased about it? Is there some obscure 'ends justify the means' bigger picture I'm not seeing that you are? It defies the most basic common sense.

It's a leap into the unknown. We don't know how it'll pan out in the long term. I think it'll be better for us on the whole, but I'm also open to the possibility that it won't. Either way, I think it's worth a go, as the status quo was entirely unappealing to me.

There's an awful lot of bad points about the EU, so if given the chance to split from them, sure I voted for that. A chance in a lifetime to be away from something I'm heavily suspicious of.

(Bit of disclosure, I'm English but have lived in Scotland for 20 years and have gone a bit native. I'm also hoping for the break up of the UK as a result of this).

 

[Jackpot]

I voted Leave, (I'm one of those left wingers with a deep dislike of the EU) and I'm pleased it's finally happening, for better or for worse. I'm pleased the political landscape is shifting and while we don't know how it'll pan out, I'm also pleased we won't be attached to the creeping neoliberal superstate soon enough.

"let's just tear it all down for the hell of it and see where the pieces fall"

It's only people's lives that'll be affected after all.

 

[azyless]

Every pro brexit post I ever read on GAF sounds something like this: So hey guys I just took 10 sleeping pills and drowned them with whiskey. I don't know what will happen next but let's see how this pans out for better or worse.

Where's your sense of adventure ?

 

[boxoctosis]

I imagine part of the notion is that without the supporting infrastructure of the EU, and/or the ability to blame our woes on the EU boogieman, it should be easier to turn a critical gaze on our own, domestic government and realise thats where we need to start if we wanna fix things. Momentarily cede power to the right in the hopes of making it easier to defeat them in the long run.

Now, whether or not that supposition is correct, we'll sure see, won't we?

Yep. Or another way - we divest ourselves of the EU, which is one fewer barrier to a society not based on neoliberalism.

It'll probably never happen, but I figure it's got to be worth voting for.

 

[Shadowhelper]

I must admit I've always found the left wing critique of the EU fucking baffling. Lets leave the 'neoliberal' superstate to give the right wing fucknuts free reign + ? = prosper.

The right wing lets get rid of all those pesky protections we don't like I get.

I thought the left was all about bringing down borders.

I know man, I just find the Corbyn types so baffling. I get the evil bits, or flaws of the EU. How they are just slaves of MNCs. But, the other options, is being even bigger slaves? Less regs? And even then, if we somehow did get Corbyn in, would he ever have a majority? Fuck no. And even if he did, would progressive policies really overcompensate for a lack of access to the single market?

Also, my European friends. What's even more baffling is that you are happy. You just lost a lot of political power, and a lot of GDP. You guys remind of leave voters. Not caring they are harming themselves, being happy about it, just because they have nothing to lose themselves, and are enjoying the idea of other people suffering.

EU isn't growing, expanding or making more money, because of brexit. The only one happy is Putin and Bannon. It's just bizzarre to see so many Europeans celebrate that their states GDP has shrunk, the single market has just dramatically shrunk, economically less powerful, and politically less powerful. Guess there's a lot of Putin supporters here?

 

[oti]

People are still sad at a funeral even thought its a time after the person has died.

Its going to be a somber few years, hopefully the hardest hit are the people who voted to Leave but even then I feel some sympathy as they've been misled and conned by people who... Nevermind, I don't even understand how The Mail, 'Brexiteers' and their ilk actually benefit from this.

Nah. I expect the German public to go into full-on business mode once the negotiations really start.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

It's a leap into the unknown. We don't know how it'll pan out in the long term. I think it'll be better for us on the whole, but I'm also open to the possibility that it won't. Either way, I think it's worth a go, as the status quo was entirely unappealing to me.

There's an awful lot of bad points about the EU, so if given the chance to split from them, sure I voted for that. A chance in a lifetime to be away from something I'm heavily suspicious of.

(Bit of disclosure, I'm English but have lived in Scotland for 20 years and have gone a bit native. I'm also hoping for the break up of the UK as a result of this).

Why don't you list them so we can actually see where you're coming from.

 

[PJV3]

I know man, I just find the Corbyn types so baffling. I get the evil bits, or flaws of the EU. How they are just slaves of MNCs. But, the other options, is being even bigger slaves?

Also, my European friends. What's even more baffling is that you are happy. You just lost a lot of political power, and a lot of GDP. You guys remind of leave voters. Not caring they are harming themselves, being happy about it, just because they have nothing to lose themselves.

EU isn't growing, expanding or making more money, because of brexit. The only one happy is Putin and Bannon. It's just bizzarre to see so many Europeans celebrate that their states GDP has shrunk, the single market has just dramatically shrunk, economically less powerful, and politically less powerful. Guess there's a lot of Putin supporters here?

I think for Europeans it's more relief than happiness, there is a chance to move on.

 

[tuxfool]

I imagine part of the notion is that without the supporting infrastructure of the EU, and/or the ability to blame our woes on the EU boogieman, it should be easier to turn a critical gaze on our own, domestic government and realise thats where we need to start if we wanna fix things. Momentarily cede power to the right in the hopes of making it easier to defeat them in the long run.

Now, whether or not that supposition is correct, we'll sure see, won't we?

Accelerationism is dumb, man.

 

[ClosingADoor]

It's a leap into the unknown. We don't know how it'll pan out in the long term. I think it'll be better for us on the whole, but I'm also open to the possibility that it won't. Either way, I think it's worth a go, as the status quo was entirely unappealing to me.

There's an awful lot of bad points about the EU, so if given the chance to split from them, sure I voted for that. A chance in a lifetime to be away from something I'm heavily suspicious of.

(Bit of disclosure, I'm English but have lived in Scotland for 20 years and have gone a bit native. I'm also hoping for the break up of the UK as a result of this).

Can you name me a few of those bad points? Because every one of those will more then likely be worse under the UK government itself.

Yep. Or another way - we divest ourselves of the EU, which is one fewer barrier to a society not based on neoliberalism.

It'll probably never happen, but I figure it's got to be worth voting for.

You do know who rules the UK, right? If you don't want neoliberalism and think the EU is bad already, why put any trust in the UK government that has proven over the last 30 years or so to be following that agenda even more?

 

[tuxfool]

You do know who rules the UK, right? If you don't want neoliberalism and think the EU is bad already, why put any trust in the UK government that has proven over the last 30 years or so to be following that agenda even more?

The UK is one of the worst offenders of "neoliberalism" doing the most to shift it in the direction of pure liberalism.

 

[Tacitus_]

Also, my European friends. What's even more baffling is that you are happy. You just lost a lot of political power, and a lot of GDP. You guys remind of leave voters. Not caring they are harming themselves, being happy about it, just because they have nothing to lose themselves, and are enjoying the idea of other people suffering.

EU isn't growing, expanding or making more money, because of brexit. The only one happy is Putin and Bannon. It's just bizzarre to see so many Europeans celebrate that their states GDP has shrunk, the single market has just dramatically shrunk, economically less powerful, and politically less powerful. Guess there's a lot of Putin supporters here?

I'm not exactly happy about all this, but there are silver linings. At least it's getting done, instead of just bumping the deadline forward all the time. And with the UK gone, maybe we can get some closer cooperation without the UK wanting exceptions to everything.

 

[Frankfurter]

I know man, I just find the Corbyn types so baffling. I get the evil bits, or flaws of the EU. How they are just slaves of MNCs. But, the other options, is being even bigger slaves? Less regs? And even then, if we somehow did get Corbyn in, would he ever have a majority? Fuck no. And even if he did, would progressive policies really overcompensate for a lack of access to the single market?

Also, my European friends. What's even more baffling is that you are happy. You just lost a lot of political power, and a lot of GDP. You guys remind of leave voters. Not caring they are harming themselves, being happy about it, just because they have nothing to lose themselves, and are enjoying the idea of other people suffering.

EU isn't growing, expanding or making more money, because of brexit. The only one happy is Putin and Bannon. It's just bizzarre to see so many Europeans celebrate that their states GDP has shrunk, the single market has just dramatically shrunk, economically less powerful, and politically less powerful. Guess there's a lot of Putin supporters here?

I'm not happy that the UK is leaving, not at all. But the one bright side I see is that one of the biggest roadblocks, the UK, is leaving.

 

[Shadowhelper]

I think for Europeans it's more relief than happiness, there is a chance to move on.

I don't think so. It's very similar. Fuck the system vote from people who were jealous and bitter of arrogant London. Now some jealous and bitter europeans, who have been culturally marginalised by Britain, are saying we need to bring down arrogant UK.

I mean, this is just stuff people are openly saying I'm repeating, it's not some psychoanalysis. Literally Farage was on Fox News like a couple days ago talking about how Brexit was a vote against London, and anyone following this shit, even Nick Clegg said it was more of a vote against London than Brussels.

Now I'm literally seeing message after message over here, from Europeans who are happy to bring down UK because they are an arrogant country. Even though, obviously losing a ton of GDP for the EU is not economically good for it, they are happy anyway because they don't seem to mind losing out to the country that is on a mission to destroy the EU, as long as they see arrogant UK suffer. They don't mind the loss of political and military power even while there is an literally an existential threat against the EU from Russia.

It's ironic. Cheering on Russia to destroy themselves. Just like it's ironic how brexiters cheer for the country to destroy itself.

 

[danowat]

The UK is one of the worst offenders of "neoliberalism" doing the most to shift it in the direction of pure liberalism.

The fact that the government are now able to alter our laws without going through the lords should put the willies up everyone, leaver or remainer.

 

[chromatic9]

I know man, I just find the Corbyn types so baffling. I get the evil bits, or flaws of the EU. How they are just slaves of MNCs. But, the other options, is being even bigger slaves? Less regs? And even then, if we somehow did get Corbyn in, would he ever have a majority? Fuck no. And even if he did, would progressive policies really overcompensate for a lack of access to the single market?

Also, my European friends. What's even more baffling is that you are happy. You just lost a lot of political power, and a lot of GDP. You guys remind of leave voters. Not caring they are harming themselves, being happy about it, just because they have nothing to lose themselves, and are enjoying the idea of other people suffering.

EU isn't growing, expanding or making more money, because of brexit. The only one happy is Putin and Bannon. It's just bizzarre to see so many Europeans celebrate that their states GDP has shrunk, the single market has just dramatically shrunk, economically less powerful, and politically less powerful. Guess there's a lot of Putin supporters here?

UK has been seen to be holding up the process and been given special treatment. They can finally just get on with things.

 

[DarthMasta]

Also, my European friends. What's even more baffling is that you are happy. You just lost a lot of political power, and a lot of GDP. You guys remind of leave voters. Not caring they are harming themselves, being happy about it, just because they have nothing to lose themselves, and are enjoying the idea of other people suffering.

It's just the same process as boxoctosis "Jump into the unknown, might turn out great".
With the UK finally gone (and it is finally, since you've been going that way for a long time), we'll have the chance to build a stronger Europe, no more half in / half out, a chance to gain some financial gains from Britain's loss, show all the doubters that we're stronger together, etc.

Chances are it'll all turn out roughly the same for the EU, but while this exciting time of Brexit is up in the air it's nice to think it might just turn out into a huge boon for the EU.

Also, the whole "I'm going to leave, really, hold me back or I'll leave, you assholes are making me leave, give me stuff or I'll leave" was bothersome...

 

[Shadowhelper]

It's just the same process as boxoctosis "Jump into the unknown, might turn out great".
With the UK finally gone (and it is finally, since you've been going that way for a long time), we'll have the chance to build a stronger Europe, no more half in / half out, a chance to gain some financial gains from Britain's loss, show all the doubters that we're stronger together, etc.

Chances are it'll all turn out roughly the same for the EU, but while this exciting time of Brexit is up in the air it's nice to think it might just turn out into a huge boon for the EU.

Also, the whole "I'm going to leave, really, hold me back or I'll leave, you assholes are making me leave, give me stuff or I'll leave" was bothersome...

LOL, definitely agree with you on that. Heh

 

[chadskin]

I don't think so. It's very similar. Fuck the system vote from people who were jealous and bitter of arrogant London. Now some jealous and bitter europeans, who have been culturally marginalised by Britain, are saying we need to bring down arrogant UK.

I mean, this is just stuff people are openly saying I'm repeating, it's not some psychoanalysis. Literally Farage was on Fox News like a couple days ago talking about how Brexit was a vote against London, and anyone following this shit, even Nick Clegg said it was more of a vote against London than Brussels.

Now I'm literally seeing message after message over here, from Europeans who are happy to bring down UK because they are an arrogant country. Even though, obviously losing a ton of GDP for the EU is not economically good for it, they are happy anyway because they don't seem to mind losing out to the country that is on a mission to destroy the EU, as long as they see arrogant UK suffer.

It's ironic. Cheering on Russia to destroy themselves. Just like it's ironic how brexiters cheer for the country to destroy itself.

Europeans didn't vote for Brexit, the British did. In fact, based on the various opinion polls I've seen in the EU27 nations pre-referendum, people predominantly wanted the UK to stay in the EU - despite all the shenanigans of Cameron trying to secure even better, more special terms for the UK in the run-up to the referendum.

I think plenty of people realize both the UK and the EU will be worse off but it's a bit odd to blame Europeans looking for a silver lining now in a process they had zero influence over.

 

[Telephone Man]

Where's your sense of adventure ?

I never got this line of thinking (if serious). One must live a boring, miserable life if this is "adventurous" to them.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I don't think so. It's very similar. Fuck the system vote from people who were jealous and bitter of arrogant London. Now some jealous and bitter europeans, who have been culturally marginalised by Britain, are saying we need to bring down arrogant UK.

I mean, this is just stuff people are openly saying I'm repeating, it's not some psychoanalysis. Literally Farage was on Fox News like a couple days ago talking about how Brexit was a vote against London, and anyone following this shit, even Nick Clegg said it was more of a vote against London than Brussels.

Now I'm literally seeing message after message over here, from Europeans who are happy to bring down UK because they are an arrogant country. Even though, obviously losing a ton of GDP for the EU is not economically good for it, they are happy anyway because they don't seem to mind losing out to the country that is on a mission to destroy the EU, as long as they see arrogant UK suffer. They don't mind the loss of political and military power even while there is an literally an existential threat against the EU from Russia.

It's ironic. Cheering on Russia to destroy themselves. Just like it's ironic how brexiters cheer for the country to destroy itself.

It's not like the rest of the EU had a choice in the matter. Britain choose the leave. We didn't want them to. So no, I don't think we are bitter or jealous, but just laughing about how idiotic the British government is acting.

Nothing ironic about it. The UK chose the opposite of what the rest of the EU wanted and now we are saying "told you so" when things don't seem to go their direction.

 

[azyless]

Now I'm literally seeing message after message over here, from Europeans who are happy to bring down UK because they are an arrogant country.

Their attitude since the referendum hasn't exactly done them any favour when it comes to that.
And it was one of the major countries in EU but it was also probably one of their major roadblocks, always asking for opt-outs, etc.
I'm not sure why that matters anyway, you are the ones who wanted out, congratulations you got it. Should we roll on the floor begging you to reconsider, would that make you feel better ?

I never got this line of thinking (if serious). One must live a boring, miserable life if this is "adventurous" to them.

I obviously wasn't. I think it was used by UKIP (?) shortly after the referendum.

 

[jelly]

The fact that the government are now able to alter our laws without going through the lords should put the willies up everyone, leaver or remainer.

Yeah, the Tories, any politician really are salivating at that. All under the mask of just adding EU law. Going to get proper fucked and their mates certainly won't.