ZombieSupaStar
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Can you go full crafting in this or only enough for one or two of them?
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UnderRail |OT| The Fallout 3 you've waited 17 years for
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I'm doing guns, dodge, evade, lockpick, hacking and mostly keeping up on all the crafting skills. It is really fun to craft everything you can. You're not going to be able to keep up on all of them equally though. Mechanics, electronics and tailoring are the main ones, biology and chemistry are a bit more specific for posions/chems and explosives/chemical pistols respectively.
CornBurrito
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So far "I haven't invested in X am I screwed" always has "NO" as the response. Other than having to specialize and not spread yourself too thin, this game allows so many playstyles. I actually found that during the drill parts quest there were ways to solve it via sneaking, hacking/lockpicking, and combat. I found the same area access key in separate locations. One accessed via lockpicking and one off some dude I killed.
CornBurrito
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You can indeed go full crafting, but sacrifice will need to be made.
I could have made my character full crafts (there are 4 right), but decided on Persuade (mistake) and Hacking.
Ah there are 5 crafting disciplines. Well yes you could max all of them if you wanted to. You have enough skill points to max 8 skills. So if you had high STR/CON/INT you could invest in say... Melee/5 Crafts/Lockpick/Hacking.
You'll miss out on being able to use anything but melee weapons, social skills (but these aren't that amazing imo), sneaking, and Psi disciplines (I didn't bother with them).
But there honestly isn't much point in investing in ALL the crafting skills, at least not all equally. My ninja uses tailoring and mechanics. Mechanics for weapons, and tailoring for my light armor. Had I known how useless Persuade would be for my character (literally all my checks have failed despite near max investment... 3 will sucks), I could have bumped up chem or bio. But I haven't really been hurting.
CornBurrito
Member
TWO THOUSAND CHARONS??????????????????
What the fuck. I can afford it, but I'll be fucking flat broke. Umm... do I get reimbursed by anyone?
What the fuck. I can afford it, but I'll be fucking flat broke. Umm... do I get reimbursed by anyone?
CornBurrito
Member
Absolutely viable. You may want to look up int related feats to see if you need or want anything.
His Majesty
Banned
Certainly but sniper rifles have a strength requirement so watch out with that. Intelligence can be put to 3 unless you are planning on using psionics or crafting.
CornBurrito
Member
I feel like crafting is so good that it is hard to dispense with.
Large Professor
Member
I haven't done any crafting and yeah it feels like I'm missing a lot of powerful equipment this way.
Luckily I just found a nice melee weapon in the core city sewers. I was growing tired of using the electroshock knife all the time.
Luckily I just found a nice melee weapon in the core city sewers. I was growing tired of using the electroshock knife all the time.
CornBurrito
Member
I'm still looking for a Melee weapon blueprint.
CornBurrito
Member
2200 charons down the drain for these quests. What the fuck 
CornBurrito
Member
Ok I hit a wall. I can't kill these Crawlers that pop out of stealth and do my entire health bar in a single round.
Doesn't seem very fair that they can see me when I am in stealth. My attacks barely scratch them and only have a 68% chance to hit.
Doesn't seem very fair that they can see me when I am in stealth. My attacks barely scratch them and only have a 68% chance to hit.
You gotta catch him unawares, otherwise you're sushi. He does have a nice knife though.
Getting a really good armor and a low frequency shield can help you not get poisoned. Otherwise grenade them, I guess?
Large Professor
Member
2200 charons down the drain for these quests. What the fuck
One guy wanted me to fork over 1000 charons for an item, so I ended up pickpocketing him, much cheaper.
CornBurrito
Member
Any reason for low freq over high freq?
The dude I had to bribe with 200 charons led me to some closed off area. I killed him instantly and looted him... only 6 charons on the corpse. What the fuck.
Also the 2000 charons was unavoidable. But I'm swimming in money again after the last quest so all is good.
Basically there are 5 frequencies from very low to very high, the frequency correlates with the speed of the attack so melee is very low, pistols are medium and snipers/energy weapons are very high. All shields block more high frequency attacks, but using the different modules you can tilt it to be better towards either end (or the middle). So if you have 15 in the very low frequency, that would absorb the first 15 points of any melee attack before the armor is counted (unless the weapons had special text about ignoring shields, some gloves and knives have that). No damage to you, no poison.
I generally aim for high capacity medium frequency shields, but for special occasions it's nice to have more specialized ones. Sometimes it's also a good idea to ditch the armor and go all shield + dodge/evade.
CornBurrito
Member
Oh huh. I completely misunderstood how they all worked then. I for some reason thought the damage absorption numbers were purely based on how much charge the shield had left. Whoops!
phantomspiker
Member
I'm really glad this game doesn't make me do shitty lockpicking or hacking minigames over and over again like a certain other post-apocalyptic RPG.
CornBurrito
Member
I can't even imagine. Game would be nearly unplayable without a mod to get rid of it.
Couldn't get into it. I must've spent like 10 minutes in and found the world intro lacking, in fact, if I hadn't went back to Store page to read the game description, I would not even know how to describe this game's setting.
And there's no companions is there? What a shame.
And there's no companions is there? What a shame.
Yeah, it's not super obvious, but it makes sense once you use it a bit. Each weapon also tells you which shield frequency it corresponds to.
It's the very popular slavic subgenre of post-apocalypse called post-apocalypse in train tunnels.
No companions though, just you against the tunnels.
bati
Member
Check out Nerd Commando's builds. I'm playing two characters in parallel, one is a pure psion and the other is a crossbow guy (he calls the build Arbalist). Great success with both on Normal, but they're tuned for hard difficulty so you could even relax the minmaxed stats a bit to get a few utility/QoL perks and so on.
Psion is probably much easier in the start because your spells cannot miss and the enemies have really low psionic resistance early on. Plus the damage on metathermics is pretty great and the range on cryokinesis is just insane. Once I got to lvl 6 or 8 and was able to pick Pyromaniac feat the tables really turned. Every organic enemy became a cakewalk due to builtin CC on this feat, not to mention the added damage. You get a rather sizable array of different spells pretty early on which really expands your tactical options. This build is a true powerhouse, great fun.
That said, I kinda prefer the crossbow guy. I'm a huge fan of stealth in this game and there's just something special about setting up ambushes with traps and shooting people with bolts from stealth. I'll probably continue this character from now on, mostly because stealth opens up access to so many areas and with the stat/feat layout on this build I'll be able to see more content than with the psion.
Man, I'm getting excited just writing about this game, it's crazy. Definitely in my top 5 of all time.
CornBurrito
Member
Do electric based Psionic attacks short circuit bots?
edit: Some of these constitution feats look amazing. Last Stand in particular.
edit: Some of these constitution feats look amazing. Last Stand in particular.
Large Professor
Member
How have you guys handled the mission in which you have to defend against waves of ennemies in the
warehouse? I placed like 20 bear traps and 10 mines, threw caltrops everywhere, and I still got killed in the end.
(edit) I somehow did it.
coretech
(edit) I somehow did it.
Your coretech allies are really weak, so the only way to win is to weaken the ennemies with traps and then participate directly in the firefights against them.
CornBurrito
Member
Northwest area. Like the most northwest you can go. There are two doors on the lefthand side of the screen, both will be locked but there's a key on at least one of the Mutie corpses.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
I'm in the same area you are (haven't found the parts) and I accidently set off one of the land mines which aggroed 6 mutants and 3 dogs. Luckily I was full PSI and managed to AOE them down with a lot of PSI injections but I've noticed the difficulty does spike kinda hard for some odd reason.
CornBurrito
Member
Damn it's hard to build a heavy Psi user.
9 str for best armor. Maxed will. And then you want decent Con and Int.
9 str for best armor. Maxed will. And then you want decent Con and Int.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
I've had an desire for some more CRUSADER for awhile now; will this sort me out?
So, just how long is this game?
Money is pretty abundant in this game. You just have to wait until they refresh their coin supplies. I typically hoard weapons and stash them in a nearby barrel.
TIP: Don't sell your stuff at South Gate Station for credits, because SGS credits aren't accepted anywhere except SGS. Only buy items you need.
This is literally the hardest part of the game because it genuinely tests whether or not your character is built correctly.
As with most parts of Underrail, going full rambo is a big nono unless you have a heavy hitter build. There are multiple paths to do the old junkyard, but spoilers:
I found out about this much later in the game, but relying on pistols, especially in Junkyard, is not a great idea. Try to optimize your damage per turn as soon as possible, either by SMGs, melee, or PSI. Pistols are only good at early game when your to-hit percentage and ammo counts are low.
I'm taking my time doing side quests, and I just found the acid hunters...
Money is pretty abundant in this game. You just have to wait until they refresh their coin supplies. I typically hoard weapons and stash them in a nearby barrel.
TIP: Don't sell your stuff at South Gate Station for credits, because SGS credits aren't accepted anywhere except SGS. Only buy items you need.
This is literally the hardest part of the game because it genuinely tests whether or not your character is built correctly.
As with most parts of Underrail, going full rambo is a big nono unless you have a heavy hitter build. There are multiple paths to do the old junkyard, but spoilers:
it's entirely possible to do this part using stealth and lockpicking, with only a bit of combat. You need to work your way west-ward through either of two routes: either underground or up top. Both require you to find a couple keycards.
I found out about this much later in the game, but relying on pistols, especially in Junkyard, is not a great idea. Try to optimize your damage per turn as soon as possible, either by SMGs, melee, or PSI. Pistols are only good at early game when your to-hit percentage and ammo counts are low.
There's quite a few amazing pistol-only feats in the late game.
CornBurrito
Member
Hm. Are they dependent on PER at all? Because I messed up my build early on
Can't imagine doing a gun build with low PER. Don't they all depend on PER? Or are they DEX based?
CornBurrito
Member
It's annoying but it is actually my favorite thing about them now. It's realistic that they don't want to buy junk or shit they can't sell later. Funnily there is a character in Core City all the merchants hate because he constantly tries to sell them garbage they don't need.
Nope, mostly just guns. Check out execute for example.Hm. Are they dependent on PER at all? Because I messed up my build early on
Coriolanus
Banned
Is there any way to make a non-psi persuading/intimidating intelligent sniper? Seems that the game pushes you heavily towards fireballs if you want the social skills.
A crafting sniper is totally doable. Haven't really invested too much into the social skills.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
My build is a little mixed... my PER is only 6
Oh, I saw that feat. Didn't really interest me that much since I'd have to lead in with stunning... whereas I can simply stealth in and do a full burst with less AP.