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Unethical Dentist Yanks Healthy Children's Teeth For Medicaid Profits

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Rajack

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http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/2912...procedures-abused-children?clienttype=generic

ACKSONVILLE, FL (WJXTCNN) - It's a sound no parent likes to hear: a child screaming out of fear and possibly pain from the dentist's chair.

Going to the dentist is a rite of passage, of sorts, but what's alleged to have happened at the hands of 78-year-old Dr. Howard Schneider was not.

For the past three weeks, there have been daily protests outside his practice. One parent was so angry, she attacked him outside his office.

Schneider said he's done nothing wrong, but, on Friday, he stepped down from practicing dentistry, according to the Associated Press.

The firestorm started after Brandi Motley wrote about the day she took to her 6-year-old daughter, Bri'el, to Schneider to have one tooth pulled.

On the day of surgery in December 2014, Motley said she was not allowed to sit with her daughter.

"The nurse suggested that it's best - that kids act better when parents aren't in the room. So they said we don't like parents back here for the procedures," she said.

Motley said she sat in the waiting room for three hours until the waiting turned to worrying.

"Finally, the nurse came and got me and she said there had been an incident," Brandi Motley said. "(Bri'el) was hyperventilating. She had marks all over her, blood all over her."

Angry and unable to get an clear explanation of what had happened, Motley says she and Bri'el left to rush to an emergency room.

"In the parking lot, she takes her gauze out, and I notice that all of her teeth were gone," Motley said.

She said Schneider pulled seven teeth.

According to her mom, Bri'el said Schneider hit and choked her, so she called police - twice. Although department records indicate officers responded and according to police logs one wrote a report, Jacksonville Sheriff's office told CNN "no report was written on this incident."

Initially, no attorney would take her case.

"That's when I decided to put her pictures on my Facebook and tell everybody what happened," Motley said.

Her story went viral, and soon, other parents posted their children's pictures and claims of unwanted procedures and abuse at the hands of Schneider.

"I kept reading and reading until the name Doctor Howard, and I knew that was the same dentist," Barry said.

Amanda Barry is deaf. Her five-year old son, Dominic, is blind in one eye. Barry says Dominic was referred to Schneider for a crown in March.

The boy is part of a civil suit accusing Schneider of assault and battery.

According to the complaint, "two front teeth were removed for unknown reasons" and that Dominic was "terrified and told stories of the dentist choking (him)."

"I screamed for my mom," Dominic said.

"That's what bothers me the most," Amanda Barry said. "Because I'm deaf, I can't hear anything, and to know that my child was calling for me and my name and I couldn't help him, it makes me feel like lousy. It makes me feel lousy."

Bri'el's family at one point was part of that same lawsuit but has since withdrawn. They are now pursuing a medical malpractice suit, represented by attorney John Phillips.

Phillips says he also represents dozens of Schneider's former patients, most of whom rely on Medicaid for health insurance.

"Medicaid paid him per tooth," attorney Gust Sarris said. "So, can I cap a tooth twice? Yes. Can I then pull it? Yes. Can I then successfully obtain benefits for all three? Absolutely."

Schneider has made a fortune from Medicaid. State records show Schneider has received nearly $4 million in Medicaid reimbursements in just the last five years.

The Florida Attorney General's office has launched a criminal Medicaid fraud investigation, and the claims stretch back decades.

A 1995 malpractice suit was settled out of court. It claimed Schneider unnecessarily placed 16 crowns in the mouth of a 3-year-old. The boy's family was paid $7,500 as part of the settlement agreement.

A second malpractice suit was filed that year. The documents from that case have been destroyed, and the outcome is unclear.

"Somebody who is performing procedures that children don't need, pulling teeth that he knows should still be in the child's mouth. In some cases, we even have where many procedures were done, except what they came in for," Sarris said.

Sarris said he represents Dominic and dozens of Schneider's former patients. This month, he filed the potential class action suit against Schneider on behalf of these children, claiming "patterns of abuse of his child patients" - an accusation that has been made before.

According to a 2013 police report, the mother of a 5-year-old patient was allowed to sit with daughter during a procedure. The mother told police Schneider grabbed her daughter's face" and "slapped her face several times." The officer acknowledged a "small scratch behind the victim's left ear."

Schneider denied touching the girl. He was not arrested. Instead, the officer referred the mother to the state attorney's office. Nurses who were in the room later "denied that anything inappropriate happened."

Prosecutors decided not to file charges because of an "improbability of conviction at trial."

CNN made no fewer than five calls to Schneider's office to arrange an interview. None were returned.

"They're not correct and that's it. I want to be left alone, OK?" Schneider said when asked in his practice's parking lot about the charges.

Despite the calls to police, the malpractice settlements and the fraud investigation, Schneider is still free to practice. His license is clear. According to the Florida Board of Dentistry, he's not been disciplined by the state.

For these parents, that's unacceptable. They want Schneider "to go to jail, to never work on any other kids, to shut his doors so he can never do this again."


A sample of the monster's work.
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This...this makes me extremely uncomfortable...
 
Wow some of that stuff in that article is heinous. Choking kids? Really?

As if dentists weren't terrifying enough.


I wonder what the tooth fairy has to say about this.
 
And yet somehow the villains in the public's eye is food stamp and welfare fraud, while this guy made literal millions of the back of child abuse.

And of course it's in Florida.

Question since it says Medicaid does that mean that likely all these patients were from low income families? Because that would explain why the Police made no effort to do shit about this
 
Oh my goodness this man's a fucking monster.

Makes my teeth hurt just thinking of it..

How has he gotten away with this for so long? That fucking kid abuse and medicaid scam fortune must buy him some influence that can crush poor folk who need medicaid ...
 

Rajack

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Oh my goodness this man's a fucking monster.

Makes my teeth hurt just thinking of it..

How has he gotten away with this for so long? That fucking kid abuse and medicaid scam fortune must buy him some influence that can crush poor folk who need medicaid ...

Money talks and bullshit walks.
 

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The Autumn Wind
Oh my goodness this man's a fucking monster.

Makes my teeth hurt just thinking of it..

How has he gotten away with this for so long? That fucking kid abuse and medicaid scam fortune must buy him some influence that can crush poor folk who need medicaid ...
Rick Scott runs Florida.
 

Dizzy

Banned
He should have all his teeth pulled, witbout anasthetic.

Amazing that his assistants backed him up and didnt report his behaviour.
 
Of course they are. That way when the adult teeth come in he can pull them too.

Ouch, though the article would suggest he was only doing it to children, which is technically worse as its a child, but at least they'll have teeth soon. (I understand that your comment was a sarcastic joke but I just wanted to elaborate anyway).

As if there would ever be a system that paid per tooth though, it's ridiculous. Wonder what his defenseman will be.
 

Hip Hop

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Something like this happened to me as a child with a dentist, they removed teeth even do it wasn't necessary to, of course nothing of this scale. Just for the money from insurance companies.


The thing this kid went through is disgusting.
 

Hagi

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Yeah I've had some of my teeth pulled at 25 and even with an awesome dentist like I had I wouldn't wish that shit on a 6 year old. What a fucking monster.
 

cameron

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If the doc is pulling teeth on kids, shouldn't he have x-rays or whatever else proving the dental work is required? All my baby teeth fell out on their own.

According to a 2013 police report, the mother of a 5-year-old patient was allowed to sit with daughter during a procedure. The mother told police Schneider grabbed her daughter's face" and "slapped her face several times." The officer acknowledged a "small scratch behind the victim's left ear."

Schneider denied touching the girl. He was not arrested. Instead, the officer referred the mother to the state attorney's office. Nurses who were in the room later "denied that anything inappropriate happened."

Lame. Do parents need video footage of the doctor assaulting their children to be taken seriously now? Several complaints from multiple different parents didn't raise alarms? I guess these filthy poors are just filthy liars.

I wonder what would happen if a parent punched the doctor in the face with no witnesses. Or better yet, have other parents witness the event so they can later deny anything inappropriate happened.
 

Cyd0nia

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Give this guy the chair.

The dentists chair.

Remove everything in his mouth without anaesthetic.

Then give him the other chair.

Sick fuck..
 

Paracelsus

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The tryphobia thread is nothing compared to this. Nothing. Probably gonna go to sleep wearing a muzzle or something.
 

JoeM86

Member
What a monster.

I have always been wary of dentists and their instinct to pull teeth. About 10 years ago, I had an issue with one of my molars; a bit had fallen off and a hole had appeared so I went to the dentist to get it sorted. He insisted on fixing some really minor errors on other teeth first, despite my insistence otherwise. As I didn't have much money at the time (In the UK, even with NHS you have to pay a bit per filling), this took a few months.
By the time he got to the tooth, it had collapsed a great deal and he wanted to pull it, even though the bulk of the tooth was still healthy. I refused despite his massive insistence but managed to get another dentist to give me a large filling to sort it.
Now, 10 years later, that tooth hasn't given me a tiny bit of grief. I have been very reluctant when it comes to tooth pulling because of things like this.
 

Nemmy

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Jesus fucking Christ. I had one tooth pulled as a kid, by a super nice dentist who was all comforting and warm, and I still remember how scared I was. I can't begin to fathom how horrified the poor kids were.
Good thing they will still get their adult teeth in due time... But it won't cancel the trauma.

It's unbelievable he's getting away with it :( This is all disturbing as fuck.

What a monster.

I have always been wary of dentists and their instinct to pull teeth. About 10 years ago, I had an issue with one of my molars; a bit had fallen off and a hole had appeared so I went to the dentist to get it sorted. He insisted on fixing some really minor errors on other teeth first, despite my insistence otherwise. As I didn't have much money at the time (In the UK, even with NHS you have to pay a bit per filling), this took a few months.
By the time he got to the tooth, it had collapsed a great deal and he wanted to pull it, even though the bulk of the tooth was still healthy. I refused despite his massive insistence but managed to get another dentist to give me a large filling to sort it.
Now, 10 years later, that tooth hasn't given me a tiny bit of grief. I have been very reluctant when it comes to tooth pulling because of things like this.

What a scummy asshole.
One lesson I got out of having a dentist in the family: never let anyone pull your tooth as long as there's any hope for it left and you can afford to have it fixed. There are dentists who will just shrug and want to pull teeth that can be saved with a bit more effort, like the one you met - in which case, switch a dentist.
 

vikki

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This person makes my blood boil. Those poor children and the parents had no idea what was going on until it was too late. And what about the dental assistants? They know what's going on. And they're complacent at least, more accurately aiding in this guy's abuse of children.
 

Dead Man

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And yet somehow the villains in the public's eye is food stamp and welfare fraud, while this guy made literal millions of the back of child abuse.

And of course it's in Florida.

Question since it says Medicaid does that mean that likely all these patients were from low income families? Because that would explain why the Police made no effort to do shit about this

The right wing crazies will just use this as an example of the evils of socialised medicine. Or something.
 

Kito

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This is why I NEVER go to the dentist or optician for an innocent check up, even if they're state funded. Until I have an actual problem, I'm not going to go there just for them to fabricate some. It's the same way doctors can overprescribe pills you don't need so they're doing 'something'.

Unfortunately when I was a child my ignorant mother would believe in those damn 'it's been 6 months since your last check up!' and despite having zero issues, that psycho would give me a filling every time. I haven't been in 10 years (since I was 11 when I refused) and I have perfectly healthy teeth but an irreversibly ugly row of filled molars thanks to fucking dentists.
 
Holy shit the article in the OP was so much worse than the thread title. And the thread title was bad enough as it was.

Fucking monster. Goddamn!
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

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I mean, just about everything dentists do is unnecessary so I don't see the big deal. The only thing concerning is the potential for abuse, but there's absolutely no evidence of that.
 
And yet somehow the villains in the public's eye is food stamp and welfare fraud, while this guy made literal millions of the back of child abuse.

And of course it's in Florida.

Question since it says Medicaid does that mean that likely all these patients were from low income families? Because that would explain why the Police made no effort to do shit about this
Malpractice happens nowhere else.
 

entremet

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This is why I NEVER go to the dentist or optician for an innocent check up, even if they're state funded. Until I have an actual problem, I'm not going to go there just for them to fabricate some. It's the same way doctors can overprescribe pills you don't need so they're doing 'something'.

Unfortunately when I was a child my ignorant mother would believe in those damn 'it's been 6 months since your last check up!' and despite having zero issues, that psycho would give me a filling every time. I haven't been in 10 years (since I was 11 when I refused) and I have perfectly healthy teeth but an irreversibly ugly row of filled molars thanks to fucking dentists.

You know that there are ethical dentists and opticians?

Doctors like the dentists in the aren't common.
 

Air

Banned
Glad I went to a dental school when I was younger. Dude sounds like trash. I always try to be wary of dentists that like doing extra work (my last set seemed very drill happy compared to when I went to another place). Since I take really good care of my teeth, I'm always hesitant when they start talking fillings.
 

jimmyd

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Jesus Christ! At least they're all baby teeth at this point, right? I hope so.

http://www.rcseng.ac.uk/fds/publica...es/clinical_guidelines/documents/extractp.pdf

Premature extraction of deciduous (baby) teeth can cause displacement of permanent (adult) teeth, once they erupt. Imagine being too embarrassed to smile because your teeth are all wonky and out of place.
Long lasting effects:
  • Growing up and spending their adult life feeling like they have bad teeth. Can have effects on mental health, causing things like depression.
  • Fear and avoidance of the dentist causing suffering because of other untreated dental problems.
Possibly many more...

The initial trauma is horrifying itself but this can seriously impact the child for life. He is truly a monster.
 
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