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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson assassinated

Solarstrike

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I wonder if this is about keeping the story in the news, rather than just trying to identify the guy. This is less helpful in terms of identifying him than the other photo. I think this story has come along at the right time for the news channels, so I would assume they'll run it, but despite massive international exposure it seems like nobody's identified him.

Speaking dispassionately, it'll be interesting to see what happens. The police will be under immense pressure to solve this one, but how well has he covered his tracks? Had he not revealed his face at the hostel, you'd wonder what chance they have of finding him. Given the reaction given to the guy who revealed the killer's movements on a hired bike, is it possible that the public would choose to not help uncover his identity?

The whole case is weird. A lot of people obviously upset on both sides of the fence, it's triggered emotions for sure. I doubt the suspect fell through the cracks but maybe that's where he lives, underground in the tunnels of NYC or made his escape through them. Supposedly there's tunnels under Central Park, smh
 
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I can't say that I personally care for the death of this guy. He is probably responsible for a lot of deaths, but I am not going to celebrate his murder. Whenever a politician makes a decision that could result in deaths from changes in social security the same can be said. Here In the UK they believe that the dicission to cut the WFA is going to lead to 100,000 extra deaths of the over 65. However I am not sure if I would be Ok if Starmer was shot in the middle of London. I am sure there are many considering doing the same Trump. There has to be a red line somewhere.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
I have many experiences with the NHS in the UK as I manage the health appointments of both my parents and at a basic and higher level it can function very well and deliver great outcomes.

In the past few months I have booked both my parents many GP doctor appointments and 2 for myself. This involves filling in an online form between 8-9am detailing the issue or calling up. You are then given the option of how you want to be seen, face-to-face, telephone, don't mind, today or if you can wait a day or two, or a week. 9/10 times we are seen on the day. With my mother in particular because they know she has had cancer in the past they will always see her on the day. Any medication that is prescribed as a result of the a doctors appointment they will send it to the pharmacy to be collected the same day. So at least where I'm from the GP side of things is working pretty well.

Then A&E, I took my mum to A&E (ER) about a month ago, she was seen, assessed by a nurse, had blood tests done, an x-ray done, consulted by a doctor and then prescribed medication and we left and all of that happened within 4 hours. The others sitting around us were also leaving in a similar time-span. My friends mother went to A&E for what she thought was a minor issue to which the doctors thought might be an emergency. So they booked her for surgery that same day depending on her MRI result on her spine. Thankfully the scan came back okay and so they cancelled the surgery.

Then if we want to talk cancer care, once they found out about my mums lymphoma during the COVID pandemic, the NHS was absolutely excellent, scans done within a week, results the week after, specialist support nurses, numbers, resources, cancer monitored regularly and then chemo treatment started to which she achieved complete remission. They continue to monitor her proactively and have no concerns which is good and I can't praise the system enough in this situation.

It's not the perfect system and in the past decade has been beaten down by multiple factors, such as austerity, yearly record mass immigration causing excessive demand, COVID lockdowns disrupting access and causing a huge backlog to name the big ones. But it's about being proactive here to make the most out of it.
 
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Kraz

Member
I wonder if this is about keeping the story in the news, rather than just trying to identify the guy. This is less helpful in terms of identifying him than the other photo. I think this story has come along at the right time for the news channels, so I would assume they'll run it, but despite massive international exposure it seems like nobody's identified him.

Speaking dispassionately, it'll be interesting to see what happens. The police will be under immense pressure to solve this one, but how well has he covered his tracks? Had he not revealed his face at the hostel, you'd wonder what chance they have of finding him. Given the reaction given to the guy who revealed the killer's movements on a hired bike, is it possible that the public would choose to not help uncover his identity?
The pic, if real, seems like an attempt at a psyop to try to prompt the shooter to reveal themselves in some way. Maybe to discourage costumes and copycats too.

They say the have the identity too, but won't reveal it. Like the assassin doesn't know his own name, but could be to mitigate celebrity for the moment.

Keep my father or any mention of him out of your fucked up mind. You don't need to bring family insults into a internet thread. Grow the fuck up. The Crow is a cool movie btw, one of my favorites. :/
As mentioned, the themes you are using are old, simplistic even, and the kind repetitive thing picked up early from peers or family. That it hit a specific trauma wasn't intentional.

The whole case is weird. A lot of people obviously upset on both sides of the fence, it's triggered emotions for sure. I doubt the suspect fell through the cracks but maybe that's where he lives, underground in the tunnels of NYC?
Reports are that he left the city. To catch you up.
 

BlackTron

Member
Undoubtedly some of it is, but I’d wager it would be dramatically less if it was somebody like Jensen Huang or Mark Cuban. It’s the wealth plus the horrible company and healthcare situation that is feeding public opinion on this.

I agree, it's just disturbing that certain attributes seem to be an effective substitute for, ya know, investigating. The details cease to be important. You were already on all the "eat the rich" hit lists anyway, so just judge away and jump on the bandwagon! To me it's akin to hearing a crime was committed and the first most important details are sex, race and political affiliation of the accused -these details may as well be the entire investigation itself as far as the public is concerned, and all that is needed to decide where they stand. It would be pretty amazing to me, if people put on trial were kept anonymous until the end, and then watch how many people flop-flop their opinion after the trial, when they simply find out who it was. All that actually relevant info in the open wasn't enough -how do you expect my final take on whether someone committed a crime without knowing whether I like their politics (and BTW, what was his income???)

I've had a lot of money and utterly no money at different times in my life, but I've been the exact same guy the whole time. The biggest change is that without money all your fake friends go away, apparently so does liability lol. Maybe because I've had a slightly strange life and seen lots of people in many different stations, from homeless bums to company owners, but this idea that you can divide which types of people deserve more or less compassion based on class is extremely repugnant to me, and just seems like loser city. I can say I was always disgusted by what one group thought about the other one, rich and poor alike. Most people are pretty much the same (take on the color of their surroundings and join hive mentalities).

I'm not in the "he was just a humble dad doing his job and got shot" class but I am not in the "the shooter is robin hood" class either. I think both of these are hot takes that border on propaganda meant to rile opinions. I'm in the "figure out who he really was and what he was really doing before supporting murder with clickbait headlines" class.

I think the biggest problem anyone has trying to legitimize this, is that UHC was already under investigation, so the system visibly had not failed to the extent there was "no other way but make a statement" left. I know "they deny life saving treatments" is thrown around as grounds, but all insurance companies do that. Is there a specified % of denials over the industry average that makes it acceptable to get shot, or do we just update that figure on a daily basis based on our current mood?
 

Solarstrike

Member
Here In the UK they believe that the dicission to cut the WFA is going to lead to 100,000 extra deaths of the over 65. However I am not sure if I would be Ok if Starmer was shot in the middle of London. I am sure there are many considering doing the same Trump. There has to be a red line somewhere.

Population control is absolutely real and it's global. The billionaires know all about it and some have the courage to talk about decline of human population:

The "Georgia Guidestones" seemingly weren't bullshitting. Albeit, until they were destroyed:
Anyway, not to get off topic but yeah point is, something is going on. Murder just isn't the way to resolve anything though, on both sides. There's plenty of room for everyone on Earth, food, resources, minerals, water, seeds; the right technologies to build or plant anything anywhere. There doesn't even have to borders if everyone would stop being an greedy asshole for three seconds.
 
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Brazen

Member
Possible the shooter is a foreign-recruit-agent? Seems like that individual had an above average help, capability, and/or amazing luck on the details so far. That plus the messaging putting the class division front and center in the narrative.

Hope this post ages bad and they catch the person shortly.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
The single payer systems of Western Europe and the British Commonwealth have been real accomplishments, but they are the product of conditions (young populations, steady and predictable economic growth, US security guarantees) that are all going away. Care will be severely rationed by the time millennials get old and sick.
 
Healthcare in Canada is fine.

As long as someone works for a company that has decent top up benefits to cover dental, eye, drugs, you're good. The gov covers all the major stuff like doctors visits, surgery and hospital stays. All drugs administered in a hospital is covered too. Although as a money grab, some stuff like watching TV in your hospital room or parking does cost money. LOL. Go figure.

The only time anyone needs to buy insurance on their own is if their company doesn't give any benefits (rare), or someone needs a lot more coverage if their company's benefit plan isnt enough. But most people have decent coverage and will just wing it so if they breach the limit they'll just pay out of pocket the rest. Every company will offer different coverage, but every company I've worked for has covered at least 90% of fees, or has a $$$ limit which is 100% coverage unless you breach it on your own (ie. annually you get $400/yr for eye care and any unused amounts do not stack or carryover to next year).

If youre a kid, senior citizen, or a dead broke guy on social assistance I think all/most of this stuff is covered by the government too. So technically, someone in this situation might actually have better health coverage than a working person.

In Canada, for stuff covered by the gov, you literally walk into a hospital or doctors office, show your provincial health card to the front desk lady (mine is Ontario), do your doc or hospital stuff, and then walk out the door when youre done. You dont even have to check out. Just walk out when done. They will handle all the paperwork.

For company covered stuff (like drugs at a drug store or dental office), you give them your benefit card info (Manulife, Sunlife etc.... which has your member #), they type it in their system and it does the magic to calculate what your costs are (you pay 10 cents on the dollar). They have that info on your profile so you never have to tell them your company benefit info again.

The US is different. Even all the people I know who work in the US office, they all buy extra health insurance for themselves or family despite whatever the company gives. Not sure why, but I guess whatever the company gives doesn't cover hardcore stuff. I remember asking them how much it costs and it's like $200-400/mth pending if it's a single guy or family. So not a ton of money since the US people make good money, but it's extra costs due to the way their healthcare system is. I've never known one person in Canada who buys supplemental health insurance.
As someone that works in healthcare in Canada it is far from fine. People come into emergency for the stupidest reasons like a pimple and the ER gets clogged beyond belief and the one person that is actually having a heart attack gets ignored for 6+ hours.

The staff are worked way harder than they need to be since more than half the visits aren't actually emergencies. Staffing shortages are becoming rampant from how many healthcare workers left the field during COVID. Last year/this year I saw hospitals having to shutdown their ER for shifts that have never had to do that before in all the years they've been open.

Our system might be better than the US but it is definitely broken too and it feels like we're <10 years from it crumbling unless some big changes happen. People need to be charged for ER visits here to stop idiots coming to ER for every little thing that they should be going to a clinic for. If you call for an ambulance you get sent a bill in the mail, the same thing needs to happen if you go to ER. Nothing big, just enough to make the morons that come in for nothing second guess if they really need to go to ER.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
The whole case is weird. A lot of people obviously upset on both sides of the fence, it's triggered emotions for sure. I doubt the suspect fell through the cracks but maybe that's where he lives, underground in the tunnels of NYC or made his escape through them. Supposedly there's tunnels under Central Park, smh
Supposedly he rode in on a Greyhound from Atlanta 10 days earlier and was staying at a hostel. Doubt he's a mole person lol.

It would be pretty easy to disappear in central park and end up on a subway to wherever. Hell the subway lines even include the PATH trains to NJ without even having to go to a big visible station like Penn. He could have headed to Newark or JFK and gotten on a plane, even. He had a good getaway plan.

I think he had support, you see him on the burner phone right before, likely someone was giving him his target's movements. It's too lucky otherwise. So it could well have been a hit by someone who knows him, staged to look like a politically motivated killing, who knows. The backpack was apparently full of monopoly money, like there is this effort to plant red herrings.
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
A&E, our equivalent to your ER works according to priority.

Thinking about it our family would have bankrupted ourselves several times over if we lived in the states.

Brain surgery for a tumor and 6-8 month after care in the hospital for my older brother.

Heart attack and pacemaker for my mother.

Mental health sectioning for my father due to COVID lockdowns sending him over the edge.

I seriously lacerated my knee in 2019 during a hike. Picked up and assessed by mini ambulance. An hours wait in A&E before a scan and stitches, followed by 4 weeks of regular dressing changes and cleaning by the local nurse. Altogether I think that cost me like £14 quid for the tetanus shot.

That not even counting shit like ambulances, births etc.

Health worries suck, worrying about money during it can fuck right off. Let alone arguing with some conglomerate trying everything in the book to get out of paying what they owe. It annoying enough insuring a fucking car these days.
I think the current feeling is universal regardless of if you live in a country with public or private healthcare.

In the UK the NHS is not fit for service. 18+ month waits for operations. Practically no GP appointments. A&E wait times of 12+ hours.

Government doesn’t reform it. Instead they hand out contracts to family members and friends. Migrants are imported in their millions and receive private healthcare courtesy of the tax payer and priority for dental services.

The ‘system’ is unfair wherever you live and this American CEO is sadly just a living embodiment of this where people can see their own struggles and lump it on him and say ‘good, fuck him’.

A tale of two experiences
 

Hookshot

Member
I've never had to wait a long time ever at a hospital here, if it's just me, a family member or a drunk mate on a Saturday night they've always been seen promptly. If the wait was 12 hours I think I'd get a taxi to a different one in the next town.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
No, it's not just the far left in this case. There are a lot of centrists and conservatives cheering for the shooter.

This is more of a poor/personal anti health care group than a simple left-right
Of course it's more than just the far left. Never said it wasn't. I just saw something I found interesting and posted it. There's hateful people on all sides, but that mentioned a specific contradictory nature of being mournful for one person's death and gleeful of another.
 

LordCBH

Member
I should had clarified that they told me way back (before COVID). So rates must had gone up by then.

To be perfectly fair here:

Insurance through an employer is probably the cheapest option in America? At least based on my experience.

This is just my experience here, but I worked at Target when Obamacare became a thing. I had cheap but decent insurance through Target. Didn’t really impact my paychecks at all. Obamacare becomes a thing and suddenly Target is cancelling all insurance benefits for part time workers. They GRACIOUSLY gave all part time employees a $300 “shop-around” untaxed bonus to shop for insurance.

With what I was making, I couldn’t afford it. The health care gov websites cheapest one it quoted me was about 80% of a pay check.

I pocketed the $300 and used PTO for a vacation to the beach instead. Didn’t have insurance till I was able to get a better job that had benefits (which, thankfully, didn’t take too long after)

But nowadays? Insurance is yeah about that $200 range through my employer, which is just absurd.

Edit: the other shitty thing is, even with insurance, a lot of Americans just can’t afford to use it. Something goes truly wrong? Off to the ER. Depending on your plan, you could upwards of $5k for that visit. And that’s assuming a shitheel company like United doesn’t deny all the claims that get made in the ER like scans and other things. Mine is only $500 if I have to go, but I nearly shit a brick when my UHC app had all the scans I had to do earlier this year as “pending” for like a month. Damn CT scan was listed as $15k
 
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diffusionx

Gold Member
Something very fishy is going on right now. The idea that he hasn’t been named and tracked down yet is very peculiar. It’s not 1998. Everyone is on a database. They have full face camera footage, witnesses who talked to him, and claim to have DNA evidence. The media reporting on this like it is the Eric Rudolph case is just totally bizarre. We are not getting the full story.
 
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diffusionx

Gold Member
I think the current feeling is universal regardless of if you live in a country with public or private healthcare.

In the UK the NHS is not fit for service. 18+ month waits for operations. Practically no GP appointments. A&E wait times of 12+ hours.

Government doesn’t reform it. Instead they hand out contracts to family members and friends. Migrants are imported in their millions and receive private healthcare courtesy of the tax payer and priority for dental services.

The ‘system’ is unfair wherever you live and this American CEO is sadly just a living embodiment of this where people can see their own struggles and lump it on him and say ‘good, fuck him’.
I once had a dental issue in London. The hotel (a five star one) said I could go to a NHS clinic or the private dental office down the street and pay cash and HIGHLY encouraged me to do the latter. So I did.

I called up and made an appointment for later that day, went in, very nice office, very pleasant dentist, fixed me up, charged me a lot, I was on my way. Later a guy at the hotel told me it’s the clinic that wealthy people and foreigners go to. But in my experience it was… basically the same experience I have with my dentist here. The office was nice but no better or worse than my regular dentist in Manhattan. so, I dunno. i know a lot of people in America have it worse than me so I’m not painting with a broad brush but I’ve also seen family members get surgeries a week after they are diagnosed, family members with not much money, and this is a surgery with a 6+ month wait time in Europe (I looked it up). And it was paid for by their insurance and they moved on with their life.

We could take the profit motive out of healthcare and I would support that in many instances (this guy Thompson made $9 million last year) but it would absolutely come with trade offs and there is no perfect solution here.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Something very fishy is going on right now. The idea that he hasn’t been named and tracked down yet is very peculiar. It’s not 1998. Everyone is on a database. They have full face camera footage, witnesses who talked to him, and claim to have DNA evidence. The media reporting on this like it is the Eric Rudolph case is just totally bizarre. We are not getting the full story.
They don't have enough face image data to really get a hit, and I think they were clearly bluffing about having a usable DNA result off the water bottle. They haven't unlocked the phone yet either.

I think they are really trying to overstate how much they really have. I am not even very convinced that all the images they have released (especially the new cab ones) are even related. They don't want to admit that the best funded police department in the world in the most densely populated and heavily monitored city in the country can't keep track of a dude on a bike.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
They don't have enough face image data to really get a hit, and I think they were clearly bluffing about having a usable DNA result off the water bottle. They haven't unlocked the phone yet either.

I think they are really trying to overstate how much they really have. I am not even very convinced that all the images they have released (especially the new cab ones) are even related. They don't want to admit that the best funded police department in the world in the most densely populated and heavily monitored city in the country can't keep track of a dude on a bike.
They tracked him out of the city, and the feds are involved. The feds work for the Brian Thompsons of the world. I find the idea that we don’t even have a name yet to be totally ludicrous.
 

Kraz

Member
As someone that works in healthcare in Canada it is far from fine. People come into emergency for the stupidest reasons like a pimple and the ER gets clogged beyond belief and the one person that is actually having a heart attack gets ignored for 6+ hours.

The staff are worked way harder than they need to be since more than half the visits aren't actually emergencies. Staffing shortages are becoming rampant from how many healthcare workers left the field during COVID. Last year/this year I saw hospitals having to shutdown their ER for shifts that have never had to do that before in all the years they've been open.

Our system might be better than the US but it is definitely broken too and it feels like we're <10 years from it crumbling unless some big changes happen. People need to be charged for ER visits here to stop idiots coming to ER for every little thing that they should be going to a clinic for. If you call for an ambulance you get sent a bill in the mail, the same thing needs to happen if you go to ER. Nothing big, just enough to make the morons that come in for nothing second guess if they really need to go to ER.
Too many people think their minor issue is an emergency equivalent to a life threatening situation.
Province here opened up different levels of care centers to try to divert some from emergency rooms. Haven't looked up stats to see if it's helped. I recently went to one for a minor issue. I found service lacking in expediency, and an expected level of professionalism, despite the numerous staff standing around looking at their phones and only 3 people in the waiting room. One guy was livid about it, which helped alleviate my boredom.

Staffing has been a national issue. I'm happy that the province here is requiring caregivers to get vaccinations, and was supported by the courts. Although it has lengthened the staffing crisis in the province it will mitigate problems in the future that cropped up during covid pandemic, in an evidence-based practice. Might be able to get rid of the slackers once the staffing issue is fixed.
 
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SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
They tracked him out of the city, and the feds are involved. The feds work for the Brian Thompsons of the world. I find the idea that we don’t even have a name yet to be totally ludicrous.
They say they believe he has left the city, that doesn't mean that they have tracked him or that they have any idea where he went, it could just mean they caught him heading toward Port Authority and lost him.

I understand that rich man and high profile means they are putting their full resources behind this, but it also means they are a lot more hesitant to admit they just don't have a lot.

Like they are talking about trying to use AI to ID him and stuff, these are things you don't do when you have real evidence.
 
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diffusionx

Gold Member
They don't have enough face image data to really get a hit, and I think they were clearly bluffing about having a usable DNA result off the water bottle. They haven't unlocked the phone yet either.

I think they are really trying to overstate how much they really have. I am not even very convinced that all the images they have released (especially the new cab ones) are even related. They don't want to admit that the best funded police department in the world in the most densely populated and heavily monitored city in the country can't keep track of a dude on a bike.
the AI stuff is obviously dumb but if you keep track of what they’ve been doing with security state stuff like palantir, the idea that they can’t track down or even name a guy with DNA, full face, HD picture of his eyes from a taxi (what do you think the security state was doing with the billions of photos of masked individuals starting in 2020?), found his backpack, in NYC, is totally ridiculous. This isn’t DB Cooper in the 1970s. There is more to this story that they aren’t telling us.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
To be perfectly fair here:

Insurance through an employer is probably the cheapest option in America? At least based on my experience.

This is just my experience here, but I worked at Target when Obamacare became a thing. I had cheap but decent insurance through Target. Didn’t really impact my paychecks at all. Obamacare becomes a thing and suddenly Target is cancelling all insurance benefits for part time workers. They GRACIOUSLY gave all part time employees a $300 “shop-around” untaxed bonus to shop for insurance.

With what I was making, I couldn’t afford it. The health care gov websites cheapest one it quoted me was about 80% of a pay check.

I pocketed the $300 and used PTO for a vacation to the beach instead. Didn’t have insurance till I was able to get a better job that had benefits (which, thankfully, didn’t take too long after)

But nowadays? Insurance is yeah about that $200 range through my employer, which is just absurd.

Edit: the other shitty thing is, even with insurance, a lot of Americans just can’t afford to use it. Something goes truly wrong? Off to the ER. Depending on your plan, you could upwards of $5k for that visit. And that’s assuming a shitheel company like United doesn’t deny all the claims that get made in the ER like scans and other things. Mine is only $500 if I have to go, but I nearly shit a brick when my UHC app had all the scans I had to do earlier this year as “pending” for like a month. Damn CT scan was listed as $15k
Just curious.

When Obama mandated healthcare, but happens if someone has issues and goes to the hospital without insurance?

Does the government penalize you or fine you for not having it?
 

Blade2.0

Member
I can't say that I personally care for the death of this guy. He is probably responsible for a lot of deaths, but I am not going to celebrate his murder. Whenever a politician makes a decision that could result in deaths from changes in social security the same can be said. Here In the UK they believe that the dicission to cut the WFA is going to lead to 100,000 extra deaths of the over 65. However I am not sure if I would be Ok if Starmer was shot in the middle of London. I am sure there are many considering doing the same Trump. There has to be a red line somewhere.
The red line should be not causing those extra 100k deaths.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Just curious.

When Obama mandated healthcare, but happens if someone has issues and goes to the hospital without insurance?

Does the government penalize you or fine you for not having it?
During income tax season when you file, you pay an increasing fine each year you do not have proof of insurance. With a lack of insurance, if you are treated at a hospital you are stuck with the bill. If you go bankrupt due to not being able to pay the bill, the hospital makes up that loss by adjusting prices, which in turn are paid by insurance companies and whomever else.

A lot of Americans don’t want to pay for other people’s healthcare, but they still are, just in a roundabout and more expensive way.
 

LordCBH

Member
Just curious.

When Obama mandated healthcare, but happens if someone has issues and goes to the hospital without insurance?

Does the government penalize you or fine you for not having it?

I’m not sure now? I know back then it was mandated you had to have some form of insurance, and they even had a question when you filed your taxes asking about coverage. I always said “yes I had insurance this past year” even when I didn’t. I took the gamble that they didn’t have the resources to check. Heard some people say the fines were crazy.

As far as the hospital? I think they’re required to treat you whether you have insurance or not. From there I think the debt gets sent to collections if you don’t pay, but even then I think a lot of uninsured folks just don’t pay.

For what it’s worth, they had me on morphine when I was there a few months ago through an IV and they billed UHC like $1300 for the IV.
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
It makes no sense to say "I don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare bills" when you're paying for YOUR OWN (the next time you have to go to a doctor or have to do a stint in the hospital) by paying into a pool ... Shoot, you're also helping to pay for your loved ones and friends!

Humans make no sense to me.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
the AI stuff is obviously dumb but if you keep track of what they’ve been doing with security state stuff like palantir, the idea that they can’t track down or even name a guy with DNA, full face, HD picture of his eyes from a taxi (what do you think the security state was doing with the billions of photos of masked individuals starting in 2020?), found his backpack, in NYC, is totally ridiculous. This isn’t DB Cooper in the 1970s. There is more to this story that they aren’t telling us.
Or there's less. They probably didn't get a usable DNA result from the bottle, the fingerprint was smudged and partial and likely unusable. The backpack was a red herring full of monopoly money. The pictures aren't necessarily even the same guy they're clearly taken on different days and are just best guesses at possible matches.

Like even if they had a name they're investigating it might be low confidence, which would be a very good reason not to release it. You don't want to do that if you're only like 30% sure it's the guy.
 
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Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
The red line should be not causing those extra 100k deaths.

Western politics going forward is going to be mostly based on those tradeoffs as the population ages and the bond markets revolt.

But I have to ask - who thinks that 100k people are going to freeze to death in the UK this winter? That sounds unbelievable. How many people froze to death last year? I realize that heat waves do kill elderly people in Europe occasionally.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Just curious.

When Obama mandated healthcare, but happens if someone has issues and goes to the hospital without insurance?

Does the government penalize you or fine you for not having it?

Everyone has to receive emergency care. The US socializes those costs. Most hospitals are run by faith-based organizations that are not very aggressive about collections. They don't want the bad PR that comes with that.

If you make any effort, they will generally allow you to pay balances via interst free installments.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
To me, this says they are investigating a name but they aren't confident enough in the accuracy of that name to put it out there.
Could be, but facial recognition tech is definitely sufficiently advanced to identify him with what they have.
 

SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Could be, but facial recognition tech is definitely sufficiently advanced to identify him with what they have.
Is it? They don't have a single head-on shot of his unmasked face, which is what you would need to good facial recognition.

Facial recognition also isn't at the point where it can just spit out a specific name if you haven't done anything else to narrow down the list of potential candidates. Like Facebook facial recognition still tags any dark skinned black woman as my ex girlfriend, it isn't like some perfect thing that can pick one person from millions accurately.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Is it? They don't have a single head-on shot of his unmasked face, which is what you would need to good facial recognition.

Facial recognition also isn't at the point where it can just spit out a specific name if you haven't done anything else to narrow down the list of potential candidates. Like Facebook facial recognition still tags any dark skinned black woman as my ex girlfriend, it isn't like some perfect thing that can pick one person from millions accurately.
The tools the feds have are a million times beyond what Facebook gives the public, and like I said they have billions of data points on masked people and have been using it to develop their models since 2020.
 

DrFigs

Member
this is reminding me of the christopher dorner situation. i guess there are some murders that cross political lines. i mean i personally don't get it, but it's interesting.
 

Duellist

Member
As someone that works in healthcare in Canada it is far from fine. People come into emergency for the stupidest reasons like a pimple and the ER gets clogged beyond belief and the one person that is actually having a heart attack gets ignored for 6+ hours.

The staff are worked way harder than they need to be since more than half the visits aren't actually emergencies. Staffing shortages are becoming rampant from how many healthcare workers left the field during COVID. Last year/this year I saw hospitals having to shutdown their ER for shifts that have never had to do that before in all the years they've been open.

Our system might be better than the US but it is definitely broken too and it feels like we're <10 years from it crumbling unless some big changes happen. People need to be charged for ER visits here to stop idiots coming to ER for every little thing that they should be going to a clinic for. If you call for an ambulance you get sent a bill in the mail, the same thing needs to happen if you go to ER. Nothing big, just enough to make the morons that come in for nothing second guess if they really need to go to ER.
Yes I totally agree with you. our hospitals especially er are being over run and keeping family doctors around is tough(especially in Saskatchewan) however there are certain things that I’m so thankful for about our health care system. In April I lost partial vision in my eye. Constant visits to an eye specialist then a ct scan followed by a mri told me that I had MS. Constant blood work/ doctors appointments and neurological appointments. Now I’m on a Ms drug that costs 35000 a year that I pay nothing for. Then about a month later I found out I had a tumour on my kidney that is 95% that it is cancer. Just back last week from major surgery where it was removed successfully. I can’t even imagine what this would have been like if I was in the US and had to worry about if some scummy health insurance place would cover my costs. All this had happened to me in 7 months and it came out of no where. I’ll take packed ER’S and longer wait times for doctors appointments over the alternative that’s for sure.
 
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DaciaJC

Gold Member
For the firearm enthusiasts on here:




They think the most likely explanation for the killer's operation of his handgun is that he used a home-built suppressor (these accessories are regulated and tracked under the NFA) which didn't include a Nielsen device, necessitating manual cycling after each shot. The NYPD's theory that he used a modernized Welrod is pretty unlikely.
 

Drake

Member
Probably left the country and knew that fake ID and mask would only buy time.

That's what I was telling a buddy of mine. My theory is he got out of NY ASAP, got down to the southern border and had someone smuggle him over. After he gets into Mexico, god only knows where he is or where he ends up.
 

Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable
The pic, if real, seems like an attempt at a psyop to try to prompt the shooter to reveal themselves in some way. Maybe to discourage costumes and copycats too.

They say the have the identity too, but won't reveal it. Like the assassin doesn't know his own name, but could be to mitigate celebrity for the moment.

I'm sure there are all sorts of psychological things at work that I don't understand, but I am curious to know how if they have the name, announcing they have it but not revealing it helps. unless it's something they're holding back to get in the news again next week. If they really do know the guy's name then I assume they have no idea where the guy is or how they're going to catch him.
 

ProtoByte

Weeb Underling
Something very fishy is going on right now. The idea that he hasn’t been named and tracked down yet is very peculiar. It’s not 1998. Everyone is on a database. They have full face camera footage, witnesses who talked to him, and claim to have DNA evidence. The media reporting on this like it is the Eric Rudolph case is just totally bizarre. We are not getting the full story.
You talking about the guy smiling at the receptionist? It almost definitely isn't the same person. He's got a different jacket and backpack. Always thought it was "strange" how that got thrown into the discussion, muddying the waters.
 
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