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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson assassinated
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Just nipping it in the bud since some retards are trying to turn this into a Left Vs Right thing, which it isn't, and if you think that then you're a gullible fool.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Left and Right have more in common then people think. especially the poor ones struggling with inflation and healthcare bills. im not surprised they have come together on this. it would be beautiful if it wasnt so heinous lol
reminds me of this snl skit:
crazepharmacist
Member
So actually died from UNH not covering there claim? Can we see some receipts please.
FunkMiller
Member
Ah well, if you have the money to afford good healthcare in America, I'm sure you're fine. And the UK is prone to its own problems... but there's never the stress, pressure and just sheer unfairness of the way the US system functions. Can't speak to Canada, but I'm a smug cunt in Australia, that has a free medicare system that actually functions, and I never have to wait for an appointment. The combination of effective free healthcare for everyone that requires it, and the option to have private medical care if you want it, seems to be the best compromise.
Between the US and the UK though, I'm taking the UK every time, despite its waiting lists, and screw ups. The extra worry of having a massive bill on top of being sick or injured makes a terrible situation even worse.
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StreetsofBeige
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Healthcare in Canada is fine.
As long as someone works for a company that has decent top up benefits to cover dental, eye, drugs, you're good. The gov covers all the major stuff like doctors visits, surgery and hospital stays. All drugs administered in a hospital is covered too. Although as a money grab, some stuff like watching TV in your hospital room or parking does cost money. LOL. Go figure.
The only time anyone needs to buy insurance on their own is if their company doesn't give any benefits (rare), or someone needs a lot more coverage if their company's benefit plan isnt enough. But most people have decent coverage and will just wing it so if they breach the limit they'll just pay out of pocket the rest. Every company will offer different coverage, but every company I've worked for has covered at least 90% of fees, or has a $$$ limit which is 100% coverage unless you breach it on your own (ie. annually you get $400/yr for eye care and any unused amounts do not stack or carryover to next year).
If youre a kid, senior citizen, or a dead broke guy on social assistance I think all/most of this stuff is covered by the government too. So technically, someone in this situation might actually have better health coverage than a working person.
In Canada, for stuff covered by the gov, you literally walk into a hospital or doctors office, show your provincial health card to the front desk lady (mine is Ontario), do your doc or hospital stuff, and then walk out the door when youre done. You dont even have to check out. Just walk out when done. They will handle all the paperwork.
For company covered stuff (like drugs at a drug store or dental office), you give them your benefit card info (Manulife, Sunlife etc.... which has your member #), they type it in their system and it does the magic to calculate what your costs are (you pay 10 cents on the dollar). They have that info on your profile so you never have to tell them your company benefit info again.
The US is different. Even all the people I know who work in the US office, they all buy extra health insurance for themselves or family despite whatever the company gives. Not sure why, but I guess whatever the company gives doesn't cover hardcore stuff. I remember asking them how much it costs and it's like $200-400/mth pending if it's a single guy or family. So not a ton of money since the US people make good money, but it's extra costs due to the way their healthcare system is. I've never known one person in Canada who buys supplemental health insurance.
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rm082e
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Uh, how would there be receipts for the deaths resulting from a lack of care? The fact that the care was denied means there is no paper trail. I doubt anyone writing a death certificate is going to say "Died from heart failure, because IHC denied their request for bypass surgery."
Kings Field
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As someone who has 20 years in healthcare and at one point only paid $12 biweekly for amazing insurance with sub$500 deductible and $5 copays, insurance became unbearable when it waa mandated by Obama. Insurance .companies jacked up premiums, deductibles , copays, and also increased denial of claims.
It really became apparent to me once I became a PA and had to write referrals and battle insurance companies for life saving/maintaining scripts.
We need a true free market where there isn't a mandate and insurance companies need to compete for business
It really became apparent to me once I became a PA and had to write referrals and battle insurance companies for life saving/maintaining scripts.
We need a true free market where there isn't a mandate and insurance companies need to compete for business
FunkMiller
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That sounds pretty cheap compared to some of the figures I’ve heard from Americans. I guess it depends on who you’re with and what you have covered.
Australian health insurance is a nice bonus if you can afford it, but not necessary. Even ambulance cover isn’t really worth it, depending on your state.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Left and Right are artificial divisions imposed on us by the elite to keep the underclass divided and fighting among themselves.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I should had clarified that they told me way back (before COVID). So rates must had gone up by then.
I dont know if this extra plan is bought through or subsidized by the company or if they buy it on their own.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I don’t work in healthcare, but in consumer goods.
Anytime there is increased demand prices go up. There are no mandates, but any product can go on a surge (like COVID hoarding) and that’s when prices will almost always go up.
On paper, someone might think prices go down if companies are all amped up to fight for customers with low prices, but in reality companies aren’t stupid to rock the boat. Maybe if a company is going broke and has no choice, but likely not.
It’s like government bids. The best contracts to get are government ones because gov is stupid and will pay any price. So bidders will rarely rock bottom a bid with a low price. You keep it high because the money out there itching to be spent.
Consumer goods pricing will rarely get back to crazy prices like decade ago or more. Not due to inflation but companies have all smartened up focusing on margin than unit/tonnage/equivilized sales metrics which make no profit. That thinking was long time ago when there was poor financial analysis and all sales people cared about was selling stuff for 99 cents in truckloads, company loses money but they grew market share. That strategy disappeared at least 10 years ago. It was the kind of strategies someone’s dad did at his company in the 90s where all they cared about was how many 18 wheelers worth of product they could dump at a store.
I’d love it if consumer goods had mandated buys. We’d all jack up the prices and so would every competitor who sells the product too. We’d all make more sales and get bigger bonuses.
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I collect VHS tapes
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I’m surprised they haven’t caught the dude yet
Madflavor
Member
Good. Lose that shit. Sick of the Us vs. Them mentality. There are some things the Left and Right can come together on. Not necessarily celebrating the death of a healthcare CEO, but acknowledging our healthcare system sucks.
Solarstrike
Member
He is a probably "she" most of the time? Maybe that's why they can't find "him". Picture of him smiling shows femininity. I'm sure there's a proper term from body language experts. Left hand hanging down loosely also seems effeminate. It makes sense as to why no progress yet in trying to find him, idk. Whoever it is will be either caught or found deceased I think.
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FunkMiller
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He is a probably "she" most of the time. That's why they can't find "him". Picture of him smiling shows femininity. Left hand hanging down loosely also seems effeminate. It makes sense as to why no progress yet in trying to find him. Key word, yet. Whoever it is will be either caught or found deceased.
MEN. NEVER SMILE. IT MAKES YOU FEMININE.
hyperbertha
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The media also glorifies rich people. That fat pig Ambani's son just got in the most stylish people list. It's almost like the media wants us to see the upper class as gods and worship them.
BlackTron
Member
I saw this last paragraph of the post first and knew exactly who wrote it...
dude wtf
this wtf is wrong with you all
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Lol at the takes that read like:
"He was just a family man caught up in a business he probably didn't like, but he was just trying to do his best to feed his family. The thing is, he was hamstrung by having to perform for shareholders AND THAT'S YOU IF YOU'VE GOT A PENSION."
No surprise to see Ben Shapiro et al coming out to support the rich and wealthy and the suspect being described as too feminine or as homeless. Everyone working from the same script again.
"He was just a family man caught up in a business he probably didn't like, but he was just trying to do his best to feed his family. The thing is, he was hamstrung by having to perform for shareholders AND THAT'S YOU IF YOU'VE GOT A PENSION."
No surprise to see Ben Shapiro et al coming out to support the rich and wealthy and the suspect being described as too feminine or as homeless. Everyone working from the same script again.
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BlackTron
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If CEOs and even shareholders aren't shaking in their boots, there haven't been enough shootings yet!
Seriously, how much of this is just spite for people more successful than you? Remind me never to get anywhere in life, my old friends might shoot me.
Most of these people can't or don't make the connection that they have a life and a platform from which to speak their opinion at all because other men built the civilized world they think is cool to be against now.
Which is why this is so dangerous, trial by public opinion doesn't really work when public opinion is so easily manipulated and directed. I'm pretty sure we are better off without lynch mobs.
The whole system works together in a complex way that few seem to appreciate - you can't simply cherry pick which pieces are "right" and "wrong" to follow because then it's no longer a system, and becoming a dictatorship by force (I recall Anakin telling Padme people must be made to choose the right option, with completely good intentions as the "good guy". We were supposed to know he was being a dumbass teenager. Mega ep2 Anakin vibes in this thread, yes the sand version.)
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
wtf are you quoting me for i am sad the guy is dead and mad at jackasses on gaf and elsewhere cheering this on.
BlackTron
Member
I was replying to your post but agreeing with you, not directing it at you.
my bad did not fully understand your post.
Zathalus
Member
Undoubtedly some of it is, but I’d wager it would be dramatically less if it was somebody like Jensen Huang or Mark Cuban. It’s the wealth plus the horrible company and healthcare situation that is feeding public opinion on this.
One fake, retracted psych study claimed that 21% of CEOs were sociopaths. Confirmation bias for people who resent success. In reality, successful businesspeople are good at building relationships, trust, and mutually beneficial arrangements. Or had a trust fund
Doczu
Member
No, it's not just the far left in this case. There are a lot of centrists and conservatives cheering for the shooter.
This is more of a poor/personal anti health care group than a simple left-right
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Yuck. Poor people?
I've seen this news on the german subreddit a few days ago. Everyone there celebrating this as well. Some people questioning vigilante assassination or even asking why we are celebrating murder got downvoted into oblivion.
In the comments the ceo gets compared to Adolf Hitler and the shooter as Stauffenberg.
"It shows how fed up people truly are" doesnt make any sense to me because here in Germany health insurance is in a way different league compared to the US.
Its kinda wild to me since in all my life I have never seen more (online) celebrations of a person getting taken his life. Its especially weird that most likely less than 0,0001% of the population here in Germany had ever heard of 'Brian Thomson' before any of this happened.
Reminds me of some 15th century witch hunt where some allegations would be thrown into the world and anybody would just join the hate train.
Was trying to find denial rates for german insurance companies and with a few minutes of research I only found out that the 'AOK Rheinland-Pfalz/Saarland' had a denial quote of 27% in 2021, while 'AOK Bayern' had 11%. Those are some huge differences and I am especially surprised how big the differences are depending on the german state.
Those 27% aren't too far away from the 32% that is floating around for UnitedHealthCare. I dont know about any of you people.. but before accusing 'AOK Rheinland-Pfalz/Saarland' to be mass murderers I'd rather analyze the details and look at what kind of requests are being handled and what is driving the numbers high.
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MisterFalcon
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American (popular) culture has long celebrated the idea of killing people as the best way to resolve a situation. That goes way beyond political divides even though people will sometimes object to the ones on their sides being killed.
Just look at all the movies or TV shows where the baddie, even when cornered with no way out, will point a gun to allow for a salvo of slow mo gunfire to put him down for good. Or the anti-hero just kills him because he knows the courts will just set him free.
Healthare not working well? Kill CEO's until it does
Homeless guy making a ruckus? Kill him
Presidential candidate not to your liking? Kill him or try to
Suspect not obeying immediately? Kill him
Just look at all the movies or TV shows where the baddie, even when cornered with no way out, will point a gun to allow for a salvo of slow mo gunfire to put him down for good. Or the anti-hero just kills him because he knows the courts will just set him free.
Healthare not working well? Kill CEO's until it does
Homeless guy making a ruckus? Kill him
Presidential candidate not to your liking? Kill him or try to
Suspect not obeying immediately? Kill him
The Pleasure
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The left hand is down because the right hand is pushing it down. You're weird.He is a probably "she" most of the time. That's why they can't find "him". Picture of him smiling shows femininity. Left hand hanging down loosely also seems effeminate. It makes sense as to why no progress yet in trying to find him. Key word, yet. Whoever it is will be either caught or found deceased.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Just catching up on this and it’s certainly an interesting case.
The way I see it (and this isn’t groundbreaking analysis):
The FBI/ NYC law enforcement are currently closing the net silently (similar to the Idaho slayings and the public silence whilst they nailed Bryan Kohberger).
He has done a professional job and has got away with it. The fake IDs, paying with cash, taking transport that’s not easily traceable in and out of the city. It makes me think the face slip wasn’t accidental, I’ve read all sorts that seem far fetched from prosthetics to trans. Not sure if the Monopoly money has been debunked or if it’s going to end up being a plant from someone not involved, but it’s certainly interesting if it was the assassin.
The way I see it (and this isn’t groundbreaking analysis):
The FBI/ NYC law enforcement are currently closing the net silently (similar to the Idaho slayings and the public silence whilst they nailed Bryan Kohberger).
He has done a professional job and has got away with it. The fake IDs, paying with cash, taking transport that’s not easily traceable in and out of the city. It makes me think the face slip wasn’t accidental, I’ve read all sorts that seem far fetched from prosthetics to trans. Not sure if the Monopoly money has been debunked or if it’s going to end up being a plant from someone not involved, but it’s certainly interesting if it was the assassin.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I think the current feeling is universal regardless of if you live in a country with public or private healthcare.
In the UK the NHS is not fit for service. 18+ month waits for operations. Practically no GP appointments. A&E wait times of 12+ hours.
Government doesn’t reform it. Instead they hand out contracts to family members and friends. Migrants are imported in their millions and receive private healthcare courtesy of the tax payer and priority for dental services.
The ‘system’ is unfair wherever you live and this American CEO is sadly just a living embodiment of this where people can see their own struggles and lump it on him and say ‘good, fuck him’.
P:axMagellanic
Member
A&E, our equivalent to your ER works according to priority.
Thinking about it our family would have bankrupted ourselves several times over if we lived in the states.
Brain surgery for a tumor and 6-8 month after care in the hospital for my older brother.
Heart attack and pacemaker for my mother.
Mental health sectioning for my father due to COVID lockdowns sending him over the edge.
I seriously lacerated my knee in 2019 during a hike. Picked up and assessed by mini ambulance. An hours wait in A&E before a scan and stitches, followed by 4 weeks of regular dressing changes and cleaning by the local nurse. Altogether I think that cost me like £14 quid for the tetanus shot.
That not even counting shit like ambulances, births etc.
Health worries suck, worrying about money during it can fuck right off. Let alone arguing with some conglomerate trying everything in the book to get out of paying what they owe. It annoying enough insuring a fucking car these days.
Solarstrike
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New photo released by authorities
Solarstrike
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Kraz
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Did that script come from facebook or learned from your dad?He is a probably "she" most of the time. That's why they can't find "him". Picture of him smiling shows femininity. Left hand hanging down loosely also seems effeminate. It makes sense as to why no progress yet in trying to find him. Key word, yet. Whoever it is will be either caught or found deceased.
Stop me if you've heard this one:
Jesus Christ goes into a hostel, the clerk wants to nail him, and he asks "Can you put me up for the night?"
Solarstrike
Member
Did that script come from facebook or learned from your dad?
Stop me if you've heard this one:
Jesus Christ goes into a hostel, the clerk wants to nail him, and he asks "Can you put me up for the night?"
Settle down, son. Nice joke. I kinda laughed. My father died not too long ago and I tell you what. He was my best friend. You can hide behind your keyboard. You fucking piece of shit.
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Kraz
Member
Nothing for me to settle down about. Only pointing out the tired, scripted themes you're using.
thefool
Member
Do not trust most people talking about free healthcare, especially leftists americans.
I am european with free healthcare. I also have to wait 6+ months for an appointment to a GP and another 6-9 months for a specialist. People frequently die waiting for treatments if they can't afford it, or worse, die because the ER is clogged.
You know what everyone that isn't piss poor has? Health coverage to go to private practitioners. Not only am i heavily taxed by my government for a shit ass service, i also pay for an health insurance, while the average salary is 5-10 times lower than an american.
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Solarstrike
Member
Keep my father or any mention of him out of your fucked up mind. You don't need to bring family insults into a internet thread. Grow the fuck up. The Crow is a cool movie btw, one of my favorites. :/
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V1LÆM
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i'm not american and i don't want to get political. i obviously don't support murder but i understand why so many people feel the way they do and are praising the suspect.
all i wanted to say is the whole thing is fascinating. he is obviously a professional hitman/assassin and has planned this out really well. i'd love to know all the details of how it was planned and carried out but i guess we'll never know but someone out there must know something.... i think he's been hired to kill the CEO guy. wasn't he due to testify or something so maybe it's someone who was at risk of losing money etc. i doubt it's just some random pissed off citizen.
i don't think he'll get caught. the big companies might not want him to get caught. if they do get someone it's possible it won't be the right person. they could pin it on someone but they'll get killed in prison before any trial.
hopefully more information comes out soon.
all i wanted to say is the whole thing is fascinating. he is obviously a professional hitman/assassin and has planned this out really well. i'd love to know all the details of how it was planned and carried out but i guess we'll never know but someone out there must know something.... i think he's been hired to kill the CEO guy. wasn't he due to testify or something so maybe it's someone who was at risk of losing money etc. i doubt it's just some random pissed off citizen.
i don't think he'll get caught. the big companies might not want him to get caught. if they do get someone it's possible it won't be the right person. they could pin it on someone but they'll get killed in prison before any trial.
hopefully more information comes out soon.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I’m going through some of that right now and have to pay for some of these surgeries for a loved one, and my brothers and i had to make a total of $4k in payments to cover out of pocket max costs. The rest was free. Including 2 months of hospital stays. Thats over the course of two years. So $2k per year max.
This whole going bankrupt because of medical bills thing is a rare occurrence for people without health insurance. It used to be a thing before Obamacare but now everyone is forced to have insurance either through work or through Obamacare. Senior citizens have Medicare. Poor people have Medicaid. And whatever their state offers.
I work for a software company for health care providers and in most states, even homeless people are covered by states own healthcare. And that’s mental health claims, hospital visits for physical ailments are covered under a different insurance.
Yes, we have issues. 32% denial rate should’ve been investigated long before things got this bad but going bankrupt over bills is simply not common if you have health insurance.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
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I wonder if this is about keeping the story in the news, rather than just trying to identify the guy. This is less helpful in terms of identifying him than the other photo. I think this story has come along at the right time for the news channels, so I would assume they'll run it, but despite massive international exposure it seems like nobody's identified him.
Speaking dispassionately, it'll be interesting to see what happens. The police will be under immense pressure to solve this one, but how well has he covered his tracks? Had he not revealed his face at the hostel, you'd wonder what chance they have of finding him. Given the reaction given to the guy who revealed the killer's movements on a hired bike, is it possible that the public would choose to not help uncover his identity?
New photo released by authorities
I wonder if this is about keeping the story in the news, rather than just trying to identify the guy. This is less helpful in terms of identifying him than the other photo. I think this story has come along at the right time for the news channels, so I would assume they'll run it, but despite massive international exposure it seems like nobody's identified him.
Speaking dispassionately, it'll be interesting to see what happens. The police will be under immense pressure to solve this one, but how well has he covered his tracks? Had he not revealed his face at the hostel, you'd wonder what chance they have of finding him. Given the reaction given to the guy who revealed the killer's movements on a hired bike, is it possible that the public would choose to not help uncover his identity?
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
It's apparently about 650,000 people per year, of which 80% had insurance at the time they became ill.
Medicare-for-All Prevents Medical Bankruptcies - Public Citizen
www.citizen.org
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