MMaRsu
Member
He was innocent.
Just because healthcare in your country is so terrible, doesnt make someone who kills a ceo a fucking HERO.
Get fucking real man.
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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson assassinated
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Just because healthcare in your country is so terrible, doesnt make someone who kills a ceo a fucking HERO.
Get fucking real man.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
"I'm on my way to assassinate a CEO, but I just had to say, I love your smile. Coffee later? ... In Tijuana in 3 months?"
Cyberpunkd
Member
He was a CEO of a company with one of his priorities being maximising shareholder return, which in turn meant increasing the % of rejected claims. It has already been reported UHC had the highest rate of rejections in the US.
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MMaRsu
Member
Right so he deserves to die, and not even a natural death, nah just a straight up execution in the streets.
Make it make sense.
Gee, so like every other CEO ever?
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Cyberpunkd
Member
No, he didn't deserve to die, but that part of the conversation should be included as well, whereas all we hear is how incredible human bien the was, husband, father, etc. You can have the good with the bad, people are adults.
MMaRsu
Member
I'm not saying the guy wasnt responsible for a lot of unbearable situations, hearthbreak and shit. He probably was!
But there are people celebrating his death, calling the shooter a 'hero'
How despicable.
notseqi
Member
you do get that the all of the glee stems from the fact that the guy was a CEO of a healthcare company that has a less than caring attitude to those it is supposed to support, right?
i don't think most people would be talking like this if it was the CEO of a middling supermarket chain
MMaRsu
Member
I think people should not be so callous about human life.
A human life is a human life.
Just because he was the head of a fucked up company does not make it allright to murder the man in the streets.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
I'm not American 'man', my healthcare system is pretty good. The guy is (or was) responsible for a company that apparently caused the death of a bunch of people. He was a murderer or at least an accessory to murder. Yes I think proven murderers should be executed, but maybe not in the street.
This guy didn't give a shit about other peoples lives but we are supposed to care about his? Give me a break.
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MMaRsu
Member
Might as well murder every ceo of every insurance company then, because in the end they don't care about the people, they care about running a succesful business.
Yeah he deserved to die for that.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
Might as well murder every ceo of every insurance company then, because in the end they don't care about the people, they care about running a succesful business.
Yeah he deserved to die for that.
Sure they don't care like a lot of people. But these assholes actually take peoples money ,with the promise to maybe save their life someday with the healthcare these people paid for, and then refuse it to them. So it's not just not caring for peoples live, it's actually scamming them too and letting them die.
MMaRsu
Member
Ah now he's not running a company now he's a scammer.
Cmon man stop rationalizing murder!
Melon Husk
Member
When two cold-blooded killers meet, people cheer for the lesser devil. Humanity has always been like this. Thanks to behavior like this, we're far less savage than we were 100 years ago.
My good Christian sense says the guy is guilty as hell, he deserves at least life in prison. His murderer deserves at least... 10 years, if he vows to correct his ways. Yes, murder is wrong and should be punished.
My good Christian sense says the guy is guilty as hell, he deserves at least life in prison. His murderer deserves at least... 10 years, if he vows to correct his ways. Yes, murder is wrong and should be punished.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
There's a joke to be made about how many years he'd get if he refused to correct his ways, but I think some might be appalled.
Melon Husk
Member
Hm, yes. He doesn't seem the type to kill again after sentencing. Especially now that he's dead.
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thefool
Member
If we're popping scammers and bad people in the middle of the street, i don't think people who are cheering this realize where that will lead us. This has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare, capitalism or the bad practices of a single person.
This is also no different than cheering for the death of trump, obama, or vindicating actions against people you are fundamentally opposite.
This is also no different than cheering for the death of trump, obama, or vindicating actions against people you are fundamentally opposite.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
What?
He was actually a guy running a company that made money out of scamming people out of their rightful insurrance. Actually scamming many people out of their lifes. So yes he was a scammer AND a guy running a company AND a murderer/accomplice to murder.
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Go_Ly_Dow
Member
I'm sure you, myself and most of GAF happily buy products from companies that use supply chains that exploit a shit ton of people, including children in Africa not in school and working in dangerous unregulated gang run mines (look into Cobalt), or slave labour in Xinjiang province in China etc...
China for example sources a ton of minerals from the Taliban in Afghanistahn. These minerals are used in our phones, laptops, cars and a lot of electronics. Would you accept if you buy some of these products that you are an accomplice to murder, slavery, terrorism and child exploitation in these cirumstances and therefore it's fair game if someone shoots you whilst your back is turned in broad daylight? Perhaps one of the family members of an exploited individual?
Look I'm not defending this guy, I feel nothing for him, I think the US health system needs reform and there should be people facing trial/jail and I'm also not surprised this has happened. But what's been achieved here? He's killed a guy who is replaceable and will be replaced by another CEO on a big fat salary and that will take more precautions than he will. The money involved means the insurance companies won't change and this incident very likely won't change Government or business policy. The guy looks young and has just ruined it and will go to prison for life once caught. Whilst you sit there behind your screen celebrating.
If you want change you can achieve it through other non-violent means that are far more constructive and less destructive ways than committing murder against any individual or business that is ethically rotten.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
E-Cat
Member
Not the way the health insurance companies see it, as they have entire departments dedicated to the sole purpose of scamming people out of the coverage that they’ve spent an entire lifetime buying into. Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it not murder. It’s just institutionalized murder.
Boozeroony
Member
If this murder was justified, CEOs of companies in the following branches are on a hit list:
Pharma,
Oil,
Weapon,
Tobacco,
Alcoholic beverages,
Mining,
Etc etc. The list goes on.
Pharma,
Oil,
Weapon,
Tobacco,
Alcoholic beverages,
Mining,
Etc etc. The list goes on.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I mean we have t-shirts on Amazon celebrating murderers.
Think it depends on this guys motivation, but if his family was directly impacted I think most of us would understand.
MMaRsu
Member
Dural
Member
No, there's a max I pay in a year, $5000. You pay no taxes to cover your health coverage?
Innocent of what?
When you run the company that has cost people their lives, that's not being innocent.
It would take a pretty big entity with lots of proof to do anything legally. I can see why there are people out there like "welp, have to go back to the old ways to remove evil people from the world".
Unknown?
Member
His company was shit but I wish the people would wake up to who is really ripping them off and that's central bankers. Focus your energy on ending debt as currency, ending central banks, and forcing your governments to be fiscally responsible rather than spending your great grand children's money today.
The timing on this is interesting. Can the democrats dust off a universal health care bill and use this incident (no crisis goes to waste) to push it through at a time when the usual industry lobbyists might be laying low or is it too late in the year to get anything passed before the change over next month.
Personally I'd like to see a better rating system for insurance companies with more transparent (and reliable) numbers about their denial rates, including justifications as to why, and what the plans charge between insurance companies so employees can have a more clear understanding of why their business might go with one company over another (less cost to them, perhaps but a poorer outcome for the workforce). Rather than the gov just slap a bunch of poorly considered, knee-jerk, regulations that have all sorts of second and third order effects or straight up take over the system, just empower the insuree to have a grading system they can use to pit companies against each other.
Personally I'd like to see a better rating system for insurance companies with more transparent (and reliable) numbers about their denial rates, including justifications as to why, and what the plans charge between insurance companies so employees can have a more clear understanding of why their business might go with one company over another (less cost to them, perhaps but a poorer outcome for the workforce). Rather than the gov just slap a bunch of poorly considered, knee-jerk, regulations that have all sorts of second and third order effects or straight up take over the system, just empower the insuree to have a grading system they can use to pit companies against each other.
Let's be realistic about how the world works.
Laws came in to protect all of us, but those in certain places get protected way beyond what should be.
You call that a better world. I call that an unjust one.
I'm not rationalising it, I just understand that yeah this is going to happen because it's so very easy to fuck with the wrong person and you take from them, they take from you.
I hope you're as passionate about what these higher ups are doing in threads as much as you care here because 1 guy off the charts is so much less a problem than what's going on RIGHT NOW to many more people.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
Ok, so it's first $5000 in fees per year you pay out of your pocket, correct? Is the deductible the monthly fee for this coverage? So that's $14.4k per year?
Yes, of course I pay taxes for health coverage.
The idea here is that we (americans) have more money in our pocket to save, so if you don't have a lot of medical bills that year then you have money to save or spend on home improvements, hookers and blow, or whatever. For you socialized types, you lose that $$$ EVERY YEAR NO MATTER WHAT, so if you are healthy that year you still pay the same as if you were sick.
Obviously your mindset will determine which one is more acceptable to you, but that's the general 'idea' behind our system, formulated in a very different time in our economy.
That's a shit analogy, a crackhead who likely has major problems in their lives to get there, their not letting down what is likely thousands, tens of or more people and making them suffer.
They're not part of a bigger problem like this.
Also, you likely missed that I'm not rationalising it in my second post, I wouldn't do that and I wouldn't want anyone to do that.
But I can understand and explain a reason why someone would.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Except with insurance premiums most of us end up paying more than we would if taxed and also get hit up when we actually get sick.
mitch1971
Member
Well just check the hay bails and they've got him.
Thats an assumption. Might be an accurate one for certain tax brackets. Certainly the idea that, if solely tax payer funded, then all the young, working, uninsured would then be 'contributing to the pool' is an attractive one. But I question how well a single entity can really cover hundreds of millions and thousands of miles of territory. The VA isn't quite a 1:1 comparison since it also runs the hospitals, but there are few vets that really preach about how great the experience dealing with the VA is.
The other issue is if the gov is the primary health care funder, then it will HAMMER anything deemed a health care risk. Like motorcycles. Smoking. Drinking. Drug use. On and on, the bean counters will see the true costs and there may be some really surprising outcomes that folks may not like.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The problem we have in the US is that the Healthcare system is almost completely cut-off from market pressure. Doctors charge higher and higher rates - the insurance companies push back, but only so far because as Healthcare costs go up, they are skimming off the top of a bigger pie, and their service becomes more and more valuable. Most of us at the bottom - the actual consumers - have little choice in our insurance provider - that is our employers choice. The impact of shitty service is much lower than the impact of cost - so the company that can offer the lowest charge to the company for the same on paper coverage wins out, then they can claw out profit by being obtuse when it comes to claims. We do have (some) choice of doctor but we don't really know up front how much anything is going to cost - and because we have insurance, cost is not a primary concern.
The system is fundamentally broken - but we dont have a good path to fixing it.
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You understand the difference between personally rationalising a belief, and rationalising why someone might do something right?
You know one isn't the opinion of the writer, yes?
That would be like saying "Yeah, I understand why the father of the girl who got raped and killed by someone, killed that someone".
As compared to "Yeah I agree with what he did, I'd do it".
Edit: Also what the fuck is wrong with explaining why things happen?
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daffyduck
Member
I think the term these days is “systemic”.
is that even the same dude? diffeeent jacket different color.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The biggest killer in the U.S is not cancer, not smoking, it's cholesterol aka heart problems from fatty and sugary foods. So the following companies CEOs would be on a hit list:
- Coca Cola
- Kellogs
- McDonalds
- Hersheys
- Idaho Potatoes
LordCBH
Member
I’m willing to accept this.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Yes, but I would say this idea is much closer to INSURANCE than the American one. After all if you have e.g. car insurance and you don't wreck it in a given year you are not complaining your money is wasted, right?
I guess it depends on your "base" payment. If I spend $2k/yr on auto premiums out of pocket or 2k/yr on an "auto coverage tax" then it's kinda moot, but at least the way the progressive tax system in the US works is about 50% of the country would be paying very little "auto tax", and the rest would be paying 2 to 20k a year, making out of pocket more appealing to the more wealthy. Of course the wealthy drive more expensive cars as well, with a higher premium, so it's hard to see where the cost savings come from for a tax based auto plan. Uninsured coverage is already a thing, plus folks without a car would balk at paying the tax as well. Plus you lose your driving privilege, and can even go to jail, for being uninsured. Hard to translate that to health care
Tams
Member
This. We can't just have people going around killing others without repercussions for them.
And vigilante justice is very dangerous.
That said, if I saw this particular guy, while I wouldn't directly help him, I wouldn't be inclined to report him either.
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