wesleyshark
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I could see them going with Aegon (if they even bother mentioning a birth name), since the Young Griff story from the books seems quite likely to have gotten the axe haha.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 Offseason Thread
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And none of that makes any sense. Her actions aren't the same as Aerys as far as motivation and scale. Would it have been 100% cool if they had sent an army like they attempted to before and killed thousands instead?
Whats with the fixation on wildfire? Her attack has more parallels with something like the Red Wedding. Perhaps Jaime was happy to see Tywin die.
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wesleyshark
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It makes perfect sense and fits in with his character arc.
We don't know that, maybe they met between Westeros and Essos.
wesleyshark
Banned
True... There's not really any context as to where at sea they are.
Moff
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Dany still needed ships, after Yara offered the alliance Tyrion said it might still not be enough.
The Tyrell and Martell ships are carrying Unsullied and Dothraki
Anton Sugar
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What's the point?
He already moved away from Cersei in prior seasons. Then, when she needed him, he came back and became her lap dog/doer of things again. Tells Edmure that he'd basically kill anyone if it meant keeping their love (even his innocent family)
Well, Cersei just killed a bunch of people to keep herself alive (and, by proxy, preserve their love). A mix of innocents and guilty.
So this, despite Jaime having said he'd kill innocents for Cersei's love, is what drives Jaime to act?
Vault Dweller 111
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I'll be a bit peeved if Dany lands with the might of the Dothraki, Tyrell's, Dorne, Unsullied, sellswords and fucking dragons. And it's just a throwaway 'wow the Lannisters have just as big an army!' It would feel totally cheap and I hope they take a more creative route.
Duane Cunningham
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I think they probably DID go all the way back to Mereen, so they could load up with soldiers/Dothraki/supplies etc.
Magic Mushroom
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I hope we get to see the ice spiders.
DrForester
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If Lady Mormont and Olena ever met would the world implode under the amount of concentrated sass?
wesleyshark
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These are really good points. Tyrion makes mention of the Slaver's ships possibly being enough to bring everyone across the sea. Having Dorne bring their ships over to help load up makes a lot of sense.
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Inb4 Sansa will revert to her stupid girl persona in S7
Inb4 Sansa will revert to her stupid girl persona in S7
Duane Cunningham
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And it kind of explains why Varys would be back with the rest of the gang. And who knows how much later that final scene is. It could have been halfway between seasons six and seven, so to speak.
wesleyshark
Banned
Yep. The passing of time isn't defined, purposely, so it would definitely work.
Varys goes to Dorne, recruits the Sand Snakes and the Tyrells, then they sail back to Slaver's Bay to pick everyone up, then set out in full force as we see at the very end of the episode.
Because before they were following the books and at the point when Jaime is in Riverrun he basically don't give a shit about cersei anymore.
At this point in the show they needed to reestablish their love just before she did some horrific act so Jaime betraying her actually has some weight. Remember that in the show they dropped the whole "cersei slept with everyone" stuff.
Many people called her doing something with the wildfire precisely when Jaime came up with this whole "I'll do anything for her" because it's thing you do when you want to set up drama and a tragic relationship in a TV show. He would do everything for her, but she went farther than he could imagine, yadda yadda.
No, he didn't. Not at all.
There was never really a "redemption" arc for Jaime in the show. We, through Brienne, see that he's always been more complicated than his reputation. At no point does any single part of his storyline begin to distance him from his love for Cersei - at least until now.
Cersei is Jaime's corrupting force. All of the evil he's done or is willing to do comes from his relationship with her.
Now we have a bridge too far.
Moff
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Something else I noticed
they changed Asha to Yara because people could confuse her with Osha, and Robert Arryn to Robin Arryn so people don't confuse him with Robert Baratheon, ok.
But then they name an original Character Lyanna like Ned's sister, who is part of a confusing flashback most non-readers didn't get anyway.
they changed Asha to Yara because people could confuse her with Osha, and Robert Arryn to Robin Arryn so people don't confuse him with Robert Baratheon, ok.
But then they name an original Character Lyanna like Ned's sister, who is part of a confusing flashback most non-readers didn't get anyway.
most likely.
They only had to change that scene a little bit to make it work much better: show a part of the Tyrell/Martell fleet (with Varys & co in charge) merging with Danerys's fleet. It would only take like, two shots and one line.
'look over there! It's Varys with the Tyrell & Martells!'
-shot: Varys & co look like badasses in the T&M-armada-
-shot: Dany & co look like badasses in the 'Mereen'-armada-
-shot: Everyone continues to look like badasses with a big overhead shot of the ships combining into a big fleet-
result: no weird 'how the hell did he get there' bullshit and a clearer image of the other houses helping Dany out
HawksWinStanley
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Can anybody explain what happened with that one prologue at the beginning of one of the books (Crows?) where a guy was jonesing for this hooker and needed a gold dragon, and some hooded figure was going to give him one if he was able to snag some key or something from the citadel? Then when the guy did it the coin was poisoned and killed him when he bit it?
I vaguely remember that back when I read the books and don't remember anything coming from it. Did I forget something or was that just a dead end that hadn't been addressed since?
I vaguely remember that back when I read the books and don't remember anything coming from it. Did I forget something or was that just a dead end that hadn't been addressed since?
wesleyshark
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Exactly.
I think they just have a slightly higher degree of faith in viewers now than they did back in season 1 and 2. Not a lot of faith! But enough to trust the viewer with two Lyannas who were never alive at the same time.
Very little. There are a few major plots that the show hasn't touched on, but that are so far gone from where the show is now that the show has to be cutting them completely.
Meaning Stoneheart and Aegon, here.
There are a few bits with Sam's stuff in Oldtown and Euron Greyjoy where we may be able to guess some future stuff, but it's all very preliminary set up stuff, like this character may show up here or get this object, more than any knowledge of what the actual result of those things will be.
Moff
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It's widely believed that this is Jaqen up to some shennanigangs at the citadel.
I think we will see that in season 7 because they would have had Arya kill Jaqen if they didn't want to do that.
The figure looked like Jaqen when Arya saw him last. The figure took Pate's face and is trying to get something from the Citadel.
If they want to introduce Marwyn and another Sand Snake I could see a variation of this happening next season. Depends on what the FM is trying to get.
Anton Sugar
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I know why they're trying to do it. I'm saying it's sloppy storytelling and is poor drama because it's inconsistent.
Jaime "I'd kill anyone for Cersei" Lannister is basically the same as Season 1 Jaime Lannister. A character that has undergone zero growth or change in this aspect, despite all that Cersei has done, is boring. We've already seen him disgusted by Cersei's actions. This is like the bizarro version of Season 5 Sansa. "Oh man, I bet she'll learn a lot from this next bout of suffering!" except it's "Oh man, I bet he'll learn a lot from this next bout of loyalty to crazy Cersei while she's murdering people!" Furthermore:
I'm going to have to go back and rewatch some of the earlier seasons (well, 2-4) but I'm almost positive there is a whole season where Cersei is rejecting Jaime at every turn and he is reconsidering his commitment to her. It's not nearly as pronounced as the books but it's clear they were influence by it and perhaps were going to stick to his redemptive arc.
Moff
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and that with next to no tits, I'll be damned
wesleyshark
Banned
We can only hope!
Cersei repeatedly rejects Jaime in Season 4, out of misplaced anger for being "abandoned". She commits to him in 4x10 after confessing their relationship to Tywin.
At no point does Jaime distance himself from Cersei, though. Nothing that happened in Seasons 2 or 3 dissuades Jaime from loving or pursuing his relationship with Cersei.
shira
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Why didn't she support Sansa as Queen in the North?
I believe the idea was that he says this, then soon after his belief is put to the ultimate test. Can he really still support her after she killed hundreds of people, including Jaime's son, and did exactly what Jaime killed Aerys to prevent in blowing up (part of) King's Landing?
Judging from his look at the end, the answer is no.
At this rate I guess the only chance this show has of cracking 10 mill is with its series finale.
The show regularly cracks 10 million viewers with Live+3.
HawksWinStanley
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Well I mean first showing figures. Although I may end up eating my words regardless.
Steelyuhas
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Well it's over 20 million an episode across all HBO platforms, which is the number that matters to HBO.
But first showing, yeah maybe series finale, we'll see.
and then they immediately cut back to the king in the norf scene with john snew
Anton Sugar
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Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Jaime repeating history, Cersei is the new mad king, etc.
I just wish he didn't have to look like a putz when he did it. Book Jaime is quicker to realize that Cersei is kinda fucked and he looks all the better for it. If his redemptive arc came in the last book, he'd be boring to read there, too.
It's going to be one of the biggest series finales in cable history.
Breaking Bad averaged like 3 million viewers throughout it's entire run but popped an 8 for it's series finale on word of mouth alone. How do you think an exponentially more eventful series is going to do?
wesleyshark
Banned
Why would she, with Jon present?
Honestly, I think it's because of the suicidal charge to rescue the last trueborn son of Ned Stark was insanly stupid, it was respected.
I think it's Aemon just because Jon RPed as dragonknight Aemon when younger, and there was some foreshadowing with Master Aemon.
Because she is the true and last (as far as everyone knows) heir of Winterfell?
I feel that in the books Robb's will is going to appear and legitimize Jon and we'll have the same result, I guess they just decided to throw lineage out of the window on the show because reasons. "I don't care he's a bastard" said no one ever in this world, until now, people care a great deal about it.
Meeting in the middle is still pretty pointless.
That would make sense! I suppose that's what's going on.
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What happens to Jon's claim if Bran returns to Winterfell?
Assuming he will be dumb enough to cross the Wall and allow the NK to destroy it.
CitizenVectron
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I mean, maybe. But I really doubt that's how GRRM intends to end the series. He has specifically avoided playing to tropes and fantasy cliches, and I can't see Jon and Dany just teaming up, falling in love, and saving the day. If anything, it almost seems like in the books she will play a sort of villain.
The show is harder to predict though, since they clearly are simplifying the plot (out of necessity). Perhaps they will have her and Jon save the day. But it seems strange considering that she only really has sell-swords and Dothraki to fight for her, and the latter are not easy to control in terms of raping/pillaging. Hard to be loved when you invade with a foreign horde.
They still have some big wrenches in Cersei, Littlefinger, and Euron. Each one of them probably gets to fuck up at least one big thing for everyone else. And there's always the possibility that something goes wrong between Jon and Dany and they end up fighting.
Oldest Snake
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I snarked about episode 10 as I have the entire season but I feel like I need to level some praise at 2 particular elements of the finale just to prove to myself I'm not always a cynical misery guts:
- They held off on the violence/torture porn. Two specific situations (Nutella & Tommen) that typically would have been used as an opportunity for some gross out shots were kept out of or off camera. It's a level of restraint that they don't normally show and it worked well in both situations. The dread in the dungeon scene was palpable because they didn't show it and there was no need to see whatever state Tommen was in, Cersei was simply allowed to react and that's all we needed. This specifically made the episode feel so much more mature than the standard GoT episode, which usually wallows in 'adult' and thinks it's 'mature'.
- The Sam/library scene. An actual, genuine moment of wonder. They've had a few before, especially in finales (Arya in S4 for example) but they're usually tied to big character moments. Didn't like the sitcom-esque Maester at the door, but the actual library scene was really well done. There's never been enough of this sort of thing in the show.
Even if it was basically just Beauty and the Beast.
wesleyshark
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The sense of wonder that Sam felt in the library was handled so well. I also felt it.
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