Maybe "elevated" is a word that triggers you. I didn't mean it as a pretentious thing. I do feel like he writes better than most fantasy writers, specially dialogue, and I do think his plotting, especially in the first books was off the charts.
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Maybe "elevated" is a word that triggers you. I didn't mean it as a pretentious thing. I do feel like he writes better than most fantasy writers, specially dialogue, and I do think his plotting, especially in the first books was off the charts.
Gunslinger
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So today I found out according to Goodreads that the original title of book vii was a time for wolves. And now changed to A dream of spring. Just a placeholder? Or could hint at the ending of GoT?
I mean...yeah?? I imagine
The Greek Freak
Member
I'm kinda happy everyone discovered teleportation. Something that stupid constantly happening has freed me up to enjoy the good parts and eye roll the bad parts of the show without getting pissed.
Human Trashcan
Banned
lol all your post are just lowqualitybait.jpg. fell for it last time with the Cersei isn't a villain shit, leaving this turd on the ground.
don't feed the trolls y'all
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Yeah, maybe. So could A Dream of Spring (its just a dream... no chance of actually happening).
Even the ravens got it, it's so good.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
"rumours," eh?
Meanwhile, every character survives everything. They couldn't even kill Bronn, and there's literally no reason for that character to even remotely exist at this point.
Human Trashcan
Banned
He has the telepathic link with Tyrion to set up the meeting with Jaime. Also Jaime needs a foil since they've killed off literally every other named character in KL besides Cersei at this point.
The Mountain .... eh.
Well, there's Qyburn.
I said this awhile ago, but from a show story POV, Cersei IS King's Landing. Anyone else there is just moving parts.
Dusk Soldier
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Legally, they would be de-legitimized, but as a King he would have the power to legitimize any bastards.
In history, one of the reasons Henry VIII annulled his first marriage was to remove his daughter from the line of succession.
Although ironically it didn't work, she still became Queen.
True, but we'll get deaths this week! How many are coming back (alive) from this pointless quest? I'll say four. BwB is dead and either Jorah or Tormund. Granted, they're all second/third tier, but at least there will be some stakes, right?
If you want you can have a look at episode 7's IMDB page, there's a single picture there, spoiling who makes it.
Edit: Or not. Might just be a picture from episode 5 lol.
Pft, are they taking any extras in the group of theirs? If so, they'll die, everyone from the main cast is totally safe.
My legit guess is either Dondarrion or Thoros bite the undead bullet and everyone else cages a nice wight to drag back to the wall.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
the hound will die and they will bring his zombie back to fight the zombie mountain.
Oldest Snake
Member
To hell with "who survives?", I still can't believe that 2 episodes ago we were wondering how Jorah would handle his deadly, highly infectious disease that had covered his upper body in growths and that he had been dealing with for 12 episodes and now we're wondering if him and his fully healed, zero-consequences-from-the-Greyscale body will survive fighting the skeleton army.
What a fucking waste that story was. Unless, I don't know, it turns out he can't be turned by the WWs or whatever and it's important in episode 6.
IggyChooChoo
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I assumed it would part of the larger theme of the world becoming more modern, more scientific and democratic, and less feudal, medieval, and (ultimately) less magical.
Admiral Woofington
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Tis but a simple flesh wound
The Artisan
Member
I know Robb named him his heir, I didn't know there was legitimization in between.
Moff
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I'd say Tywin was the bigger character, I love Oberyn, but he was just introduced in S4. But Tywin died only 1 episode later.
I absolutely expect Cersei to die in 2 weeks.
I edited. Tywin is definitely bigger. And I don't think there's any way they go through an 18-month offseason where the biggest villain is Night King. I'd be shocked if she died this season.
What I'd really love is if the NK dies Sunday.
Apparently none of Stannis, Shireen, Margaery, Hodor, The High Sparrow, Olenna, Roose or Ramsay were main characters.
OK
H.Cornerstone
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In order to name him the heir, he would have to legitimize him.
Ramsay wasn't around from the beginning, but he was the big antagonist in seasons 5 and 6. He was around for longer than Robb or Cat.
All those character, Hodor apart, were the main character in several scenes in the show. Hodor of course being in the show quite prominently from season 1 makes him a main character imo.
But If we use your standard then main characters dead in the books
Eddard Stark
Human Trashcan
Banned
Margaery, Stannis and Ramsay were definitely main characters on the show. Just because they're not POV characters in the books doesn't mean they can't be MCs on the show.
Human Trashcan
Banned
use your words
Rolling eyes at Gigglepoo out here on some bullshit.
High Septon was one of the main players of last season. Olenna and Margarery have been significant for ages. I mean shit even Momma Sand Snake was significant, whether you like her or not, she had one-on-one scenes with a bunch of unquestionably "main" characters and she was featured independent of them on a bunch of occaisions.
Like I guess "main character" just means "someone introduced in Season 1"? Some kinda nonsense.
High Septon was one of the main players of last season. Olenna and Margarery have been significant for ages. I mean shit even Momma Sand Snake was significant, whether you like her or not, she had one-on-one scenes with a bunch of unquestionably "main" characters and she was featured independent of them on a bunch of occaisions.
Like I guess "main character" just means "someone introduced in Season 1"? Some kinda nonsense.
Here's how I'd place characters
Protagonists
(When alive they drove the story)
Ned
Rob
Jon
Dany
Cercei
Main characters
(Saw the world through their eyes)
Tywin
Catelyn
Sansa
Arya
Tyrion
Jamie
Stannis
Oberyn
Joffrey
Ramsay
Theon
Support
(Helped or influenced more important characters)
The Hound
Brienne
Bran
Ollena
Ellaria
Bron
Littlefinger
Varys
Those
Euron
Yara
Mance
Maegery
Tommen
Beric
Minor
(No real agency or character growth)
The Mountain
Sand Snakes
Hodor
Obviously, this isn't set in stone. Bronn hasn't changed at all but he feels more important than, say, a Sand Snake. But I certainly wouldn't put someone like Olynna in the same tier as Cat. But maybe that's just me.
Protagonists
(When alive they drove the story)
Ned
Rob
Jon
Dany
Cercei
Main characters
(Saw the world through their eyes)
Tywin
Catelyn
Sansa
Arya
Tyrion
Jamie
Stannis
Oberyn
Joffrey
Ramsay
Theon
Support
(Helped or influenced more important characters)
The Hound
Brienne
Bran
Ollena
Ellaria
Bron
Littlefinger
Varys
Those
Euron
Yara
Mance
Maegery
Tommen
Beric
Minor
(No real agency or character growth)
The Mountain
Sand Snakes
Hodor
Obviously, this isn't set in stone. Bronn hasn't changed at all but he feels more important than, say, a Sand Snake. But I certainly wouldn't put someone like Olynna in the same tier as Cat. But maybe that's just me.
Bran could go in either spot. He feels like a lesser Sam in the grand scheme. Gives information and we follow but not quite on, say, Jamie's level. But they could both be main. I think I have recency bias with Bran. He was clearly main in the beginning but has devolved some this season. But we still followed him for years.
Bran feels like a supporting character now but was main for the first four seasons.
Robert was tough. Probably supporting but his death started everything.
Arya is a protagonist, she was in far too many scenes not to be one, Sansa became one, Bran is one surely. Tyrion is too (second most screentime I believe).
Rob Stark isn't a protagonist at all, you could even put him at support and make Cat a protagonist instead.
I wouldn't put Robb as a protagonist either, the guy barely got any screentime during his three seasons compared to the other big characters.
I think he and Ned were framed as the protagonists of a season. Robb was built up in the show which is pretty different from the books and I think it worked really well when they filmed the red wedding.
Human Trashcan
Banned
oh I thought that was @ me, lol. we good
yeah that list is some next-level nonsense. out of here with that. Tywin is a main character but Brienne is not? you smoking some strong stuff brother
I understand why he did that from a thematic perspective (none of our POVs were the kings, except Dany) but it made ACOK a drag. Catelyn was not an actor for large parts of her story.
electroshockwave
Member
I think the books deliberately didn't show the POV of any of the five kings.
What's your list? Brienne hasn't had much impact on any of the characters so it's hard to put her that high. No reason to lob insults just because you disagree.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
He felt that A Time for Wolves was too Stark centric.
There's no way that Arya isn't a top-tier character in terms of the story. She's been driving her own plot thread (that side characters have woven in and out of) since season 2. That list is confusing the impact that a character's actions have on the world with importance to the story.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Arya is a main character for some reason, we just don't know why yet. In the original game of thrones story from like 1999 or whatever, the main characters were: Bran, Dany, Jon, Tyrion, and Arya. Now obviously Jon and Dany are the two mains and have been for a while. Bran had a very real role. While Tyrion isn't in the spotlight as much, we know he's still "important" although he is more supporting. Arya remains unclear.
Now this could have changed...after all Jon and Tyrion also had a love triangle with Arya in that version.
Now this could have changed...after all Jon and Tyrion also had a love triangle with Arya in that version.
We could all have different list of main characters based on impact, time spent, status in the world etc.
However the important thing is Gigglepoo was talking a bunch of crap and he admits it.
OK
However the important thing is Gigglepoo was talking a bunch of crap and he admits it.
OK
You talking about the Books or the Show? I don't recall Robb doing that in the show.