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[John Dunbar]

no. Life vs Death has always been the point. Or rather, "stop fighting over petty bullshit, humans, because nature will kill us all if we don't do something together." That's pretty much the thematic core of the series. I'm sure we'll get bitchin' lore but they're ice zombies and they're coming to end all life.

the fact that there are stories of that lady other seducing the og night's king and that they somehow made a deal with craster for babies makes it seem like they can be reasoned with. wouldn't surprise me if the series ends with a truce of some kind.

i've watched a bunch of preston jacobs videos, and while many of his conclusions are wild as fuck, he does make one point that is very difficult to argue with, based on tons of gurm's work: being anti-war is his big thing, so it seems odd he would end his magnum opus with a giant battle between good and evil (or life and death).

 

[Gigglepoo]

Martin wrote a three-page outline back in '93. This was before the first book came out and when he thought ASoIaF would be a trilogy. The outline is pretty detailed, and though some things have changed, it seems like his main themes stayed the same.

Here's what he said about The Others:

The greatest danger of all, however, comes from the north, from the icy wastes beyond the Wall, where half-forgotten demons out of legend, the inhuman others, raise cold legions of the undead and the neverborn and prepare to ride down on the winds of winter to extinguish everything that we would call "life."

...

The final battle will also draw together characters and plot threads left from the first two books and resolve all in one huge climax.

..

Abandoned by the Night's Watch, Catelyn and her children will find their only hope of safety lies even further north, beyond the Wall, where they fall into the hands of Mance Rayder, the King-beyond-the-Wall, and get a dreadful glimpse of the inhuman others as they attack the wilding encampment. Bran's magic, Arya's sword Needle, and the savagery of their direwolves will help them survive, but their mother Catelyn will die at the hands of the others.

http://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-what-was-the-original-story-2016-7

There's no hint that The Others are more than they appear. But there is one paragraph from his outline blacked out so maybe their true nature was hidden. Or maybe Martin had a change of heart. Or he didn't include the big reveal in his outline.

Who knows!? It's an interesting read, though.

 

[Atraveller]

GRRM ain't that good a writer, man. 'Elevated'. Yeah the books have more detail but it really is all just tits and dragons in the end, don't get too worked pal.

I know some people here like to shit on book 4 & 5, but this is too much.

 

[Ocarina_117]

fAegon is Ned Stark's bastard with ashara Dayne, who is still alive and acting as the septon with her son. I am convinced.

 

[Rentahamster]

There's probably more to The Others in the books. As for the show? Eh.

 

[The Artisan]

so what does everyone think will be Jon's "Kakarot"? I'm hoping it's Jaehaerys since it'd be nice and poetic as it also starts with J.

The Gilly scene strongly hinted that Jon is legit, so...

 

[Burt]

I'm really iffy on the fact that despite the shortened seasons, it looks like we're going to be going into the last one with both the White Walkers and Cersei. They shouyld've cleared one out. It feels like Cersei didn't even do anything this season.

 

[The Artisan]

I'm really iffy on the fact that despite the shortened seasons, it looks like we're going to be going into the last one with both the White Walkers and Cersei. They shouyld've cleared one out. It feels like Cersei didn't even do anything this season.

she didn't. she sat on the iron throne, for...most of the time.

 

[Azzanadra]

I'm really iffy on the fact that despite the shortened seasons, it looks like we're going to be going into the last one with both the White Walkers and Cersei. They shouyld've cleared one out. It feels like Cersei didn't even do anything this season.

Aren't the episodes getting progressively longer though? By next season each episode may damn well be a mini-movie. Also, if we view the Lannister/Greyjoy army as an extension of Cersei, she did do quite a bit this season- destroyed three great houses she did!

Also, if the armistice goes as planned, Cersei really won't be a "villain" anymore will she? She'l be a temporary ally, until the walkers are defeated. I expect the WW do be defeated actually before the final bit of politicking between Jon, Dany and Cersei.

 

[Gunslinger]

My ending: WW defeated. Jon snow dead after a heroic battle vs night king. Dany died along with her dragons. Starks rule the seven kingdom. Sansa as queen. Jaime Lannister falling in the battle for Kings Landing vs white walkers. Cersei imprisoned first then executed by Sansa for her crimes. Brienne becomes Kings guard. Tyrion hand. And finally Sam well tell the tale. Thus ends this age in westoros. With peace and prosperity for years.

 

[Zabka]

I don't care how it ends as long as a dragon lays some damn eggs.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I don't care how it ends as long as Jon lives.

And bangs all of his new family.

 

[WrenchNinja]

so what does everyone think will be Jon's "Kakarot"? I'm hoping it's Jaehaerys since it'd be nice and poetic as it also starts with J.

The Gilly scene strongly hinted that Jon is legit, so...

In the books, Rhaegar was naming his kids after Aegon I and his siser-wives. Aegon and Rhaenys are already taken, so Jon's probably starts with a V.

If they want to make this Jon and Dany relationship extra weird, his name could be Viserys.

 

[jett]

Anyone think that there is more to the White Walkers, and that there might be a difference between book/show incarnations?

I swear GRRM said somewhere that the Others were not like Tolkeinesque orcs, and on top of that there seems to be a semblance of culture/society with them in the books as they have their own language and "mock" that NW deserter. On the show they are more like ice demons, but even then such a detail would not be overlooked in the show? Unless D&D really are just trying to sprint to the end and are turning this into one big "life vs. death" fight.

I don't know, I can't help but feel kind of disappointed this is all there is to the White Walkers- an experiment gone bad by the Children of the Forest. At the same time, there's too many details to ignore- why did the WW choose now to attack? Why didn't they attack the wildlings en masse if they truly just hated and wanted to kill humans? There's a "Bran = Night King" theory which I don't exactly believe, but it does make me think Bran has something to do with the Others. I just want to believe...

I think that pretty much anything that is show-only will be highly different in the books, if it even has a parallel.

 

[Brakke]

That's really unfair to the books they aren't all tits and dragons they're more nipples and no-dragons.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

In the books, Rhaegar was naming his kids after Aegon I and his siser-wives. Aegon and Rhaenys are already taken, so Jon's probably starts with a V.

If they want to make this Jon and Dany relationship extra weird, his name could be Viserys.

This is probably it, but I think it'd be really cool if Jons name is Ice or Wolf in Valerian

 

[Brakke]

This is probably it, but I think it'd be really cool if Jons name is Ice or Wolf in Valerian

The Westerosi equivalent of getting a tattoo of a Chinese character you *swear* means "strength".

 

[DrForester]

Another episode leaked and you're talking about it openly in the thread, or are you just bullshitting?

 

[Fuzzy]

Thanks duckroll. We need a pic with banned members' avatars on spikes as a warning to others.

 

[duckroll]

It's a pain having to do this on both threads all week. HBO, just release the damn thing already and clean up your Spain and Nordic crew.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Wow, looks like I barely avoided getting spoiled

The mods are doing a good job moderating this shit

 

[jett]

Leaks are so prevalent at HBO we're gonna end up with a third thread for season 8.

 

[Twilight Princess]

If drogon dies before jon snow, im fucking done.

 

[duckroll]

Leaks are so prevalent at HBO we're gonna end up with a third thread for season 8.

Yeah - BOOK thread, NO BOOK thread, and HBO NORDIC thread. Amirite. :/

 

[Brakke]

I wonder if Dragons cauterize their own wounds or if they tried they'd just vaporize themselves.

Some god paradox. Can a dragon breathe fire so hot it can burn its own unburnable flesh?

 

[BuggyDClown]

My ending.

Jon dies, dany dies. The war will take a bit longer than expected, dany will have a child first. Their child, like them will not be raised by its parents.

Sansa and Gendry will be king and queen. They will raise the child of dany and jon. Ironically a stark and baratheon together, like robert wanted with lyanna.

Cersie will break the armistice, jamie will kill her for it and die as well. Ending their story together, born and die as one.

Euron will be defeated, the iron islands will end their cycle and join the rest of the relm in peace.

I still dont quite know what should happen with arya, she might serve in KL or look over winterfell, of maybe she heads east, returns to bravos. I don't really know yet.

Mormont will die, tormund will die, petyr, varys and the red witch will all die.

Podrick will become a knight, brienne will become the kingsgaurd. Tyrion will serve as hand to the king and queen his former wife.

If winterfell remains then bran will gaurd it. Along with the end of the white walkers and much of magic in the world he will lose his ability of green sight/3 eyed raven stuff. The other option is he dies or just becomes some one to watch over.

Again no wall no white walkers no wildings means no watch. Sam now becomes head of his house.

 

[Twilight Princess]

My ending: night king wins, all humans destroyed.

 

[shintoki]

Ending: Littlefinger, Arya, Sansa threesome. He'll be known as Bigleg after that.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

If drogon dies before jon snow, im fucking done.

it's a fucking dragon, who cares. There are 2 others to replace him.

 

[Operations]

My ending: WW defeated. Jon snow dead after a heroic battle vs night king. Dany died along with her dragons. Starks rule the seven kingdom. Sansa as queen. Jaime Lannister falling in the battle for Kings Landing vs white walkers. Cersei imprisoned first then executed by Sansa for her crimes. Brienne becomes Kings guard. Tyrion hand. And finally Sam well tell the tale. Thus ends this age in westoros. With peace and prosperity for years.

Boring. Wished the writers had the balls for something completely out of the box (I.e White Walkers winning, or a limited truce, Bran becoming the next NK, etc.)

 

[Twilight Princess]

it's a fucking dragon, who cares. There are 2 others to replace him.

Drogon is special!!!!!!

 

[cj_iwakura]

So uh, why doesn't Jon just tell Daenerys, 'you have a dragon, go SEE THE WHITE WALKERS FOR YOURSELF'.

 

[The Artisan]

In the books, Rhaegar was naming his kids after Aegon I and his siser-wives. Aegon and Rhaenys are already taken, so Jon's probably starts with a V.

If they want to make this Jon and Dany relationship extra weird, his name could be Viserys.

what's wrong with Jaehaerys? Jon looks like a Jaehaerys. I could get used to Dany calling Jon Jaehaerys like Vegeta calls Goku Kakarot.

 

[dabig2]

So uh, why doesn't Jon just tell Daenerys, 'you have a dragon, go SEE THE WHITE WALKERS FOR YOURSELF'.

Because she can't spare a couple days trip when Euron is teleporting all over the continent and Tyrion's plans are fucking up her conquest. Dragonstone is a bit far away from the Wall itself, so it should take a day or more to fly there I bet. Maybe more depending on harsh winter weather. Tyrion would also object due to the inherent danger - unknown enemy and all that.

 

[Fuzzy]

It's not Dany that needs convincing though, it's Cersei. :lol

 

[broncobuster]

My ending: WW defeated. Jon snow dead after a heroic battle vs night king. Dany died along with her dragons. Starks rule the seven kingdom. Sansa as queen. Jaime Lannister falling in the battle for Kings Landing vs white walkers. Cersei imprisoned first then executed by Sansa for her crimes. Brienne becomes Kings guard. Tyrion hand. And finally Sam well tell the tale. Thus ends this age in westoros. With peace and prosperity for years.

My guess King's Landing and the Iron Throne are destroyed as Westeros returns to independent kingdoms. I do think the Targaryens and Lannisters (including Tyrion) will be wiped out before the end, as many of the other houses have been.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

My ending: WW defeated. Jon snow dead after a heroic battle vs night king. Dany died along with her dragons. Starks rule the seven kingdom. Sansa as queen. Jaime Lannister falling in the battle for Kings Landing vs white walkers. Cersei imprisoned first then executed by Sansa for her crimes. Brienne becomes Kings guard. Tyrion hand. And finally Sam well tell the tale. Thus ends this age in westoros. With peace and prosperity for years.

good ending except the part Sansa wins.

I don't care for Sansa.

 

[Wensih]

Not a watcher or reader of the series, any knowledge of it comes from sidebar conversations I have at work, but a friend was mentioning how he thought it was cool that the books and tv shows are both considered canon. Which made me think (and I haven't done any research into it to know if this was a running theory) but could the books and tv series end up being different time lines linked by Bran's apparent Maud'Dib-esque abilities?

 

[chicken_pasta]

Another episode leaked and you're talking about it openly in the thread, or are you just bullshitting?

That's the least leaky leak we've had. HBO freaking broadcast it themselves lol

 

[hydrophilic attack]

briemund

 

[PushTheButtonMax]

Not a watcher or reader of the series, any knowledge of it comes from sidebar conversations I have at work, but a friend was mentioning how he thought it was cool that the books and tv shows are both considered canon. Which made me think (and I haven't done any research into it to know if this was a running theory) but could the books and tv series end up being different time lines linked by Bran's apparent Maud'Dib-esque abilities?

They're not both considered canon, they're separate just like any adaptation. We're just seeing the story progress through the show and left wondering what will be the same or different in future books (if we ever get to read them).

 

[chicken_pasta]

Ghost will be King by the end of this.

 

[rucury]

This is a really predictable, stupid show. Its only good use could be as a gateway drug, suitable as Baby's First Fantasy Series. It's all been downhill since the adaptation passed the books story-wise.

I can't freaking wait for the next episode tho

Edit: But seriously. So many goddamn throwaway plot points. SO MANY WASTED SCENES. Will we ever understand that scene with the Children of the Forest turning a being into a White Walker? Why did the White Walkers need the babies again? Only through the ritual do they make more White Walkers? And they age? GAHHH

What happened to the Smoke Baby the Red Witch had? Maybe that comes back and fights the White Walkers.

Add that one to the list

 

[TwoDurans]

What happened to the Smoke Baby the Red Witch had? Maybe that comes back and fights the White Walkers.

 

[Joni]

Important backstory of Bronn that the show left out.

And also, what’s not part of the story, which should have been told, I think, is that Bronn for four years was lifeguard at the King’s Landing beach. He saved a lot of people there. Which also explains how he could drag a very heavy Jaime out of the water. I said they should put that into the script, but they were like, “Yeah, we don’t need to do that.” But there are some pictures out there of Bronn sitting out on the beach in his Speedos. It would be great, because Jerome [Flynn] could pull that off. It’s a side of Bronn we haven’t seen. [Laughs]

http://tvline.com/2017/08/17/game-o...olaj-coster-waldau-interview-cersei-pregnant/

 

[bitbydeath]

Shit is rushing headlong to the finish line with hardly any episodes left.

Sure has, they've been wiping out entire houses (or near enough) every episode.

Ep 1 - The Freys
Ep 2 - The Martells
Ep 3 - The Tyrells
Ep 4 - Most of the Lannister army
Ep 5 - The Tarleys

 

[jdstorm]

Important backstory of Bronn that the show left out.



http://tvline.com/2017/08/17/game-o...olaj-coster-waldau-interview-cersei-pregnant/

If this interview doesnt lead to a Blackwater Baywatch meme/parody video i will be very disapointed with the internet.

 

[dabig2]

Sure has, they've been wiping out entire houses (or near enough) every episode.

Ep 1 - The Freys
Ep 2 - The Martells
Ep 3 - The Tyrells
Ep 4 - Most of the Lannister army
Ep 5 - The Tarleys

It's funny how the Starks were pretty much written off after the Red Wedding, but they're the 1 great house that's actually doing OK relatively speaking. Even with Jon's father being a Targ, I think most would still consider him a Northman because...he is. He was personally raised by Ned Stark in the North ways and he has North blood in him still. And then you have the daughters and Bran, who is a cripple who probably won't be fathering children and he renounced his name, but hey he's still alive.

Compared to the Lannisters, Tyrells, Martells, Baratheons, and even Arryns (Sweetrobin LOL), they're doing OK. Special shoutouts to the Ironborn (depending if Euron can get his thirst quenched and if Yara survives) and the Targaryens if you count Jon being able to have children despite being a reanimated zombie himself and if Dany's curse of being barren was just talk.

 

[Zzzonked]

What happened to the Smoke Baby the Red Witch had? Maybe that comes back and fights the White Walkers.

I just assumed that was one time use kinda spell.

 

[Rimfya]

Do the WW even have AA? Just burn them from orbit using the dragons.