How would any of them know that his forces were eradicated? Did they check BBC News on their smartphones?
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How would any of them know that his forces were eradicated? Did they check BBC News on their smartphones?
I don't see how a man who needed to buy an army in the first place could defend it adequately AND leave for the north at the same time.
If the Lannister's wanted it while he was gone, surely they could take it from whatever meager force was left.
Realistically it's been a couple years since that happened.
Wut.
grandjedi6
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The most logical explanation for Dragonstone is that there was a very small Lannister force there to hold it from bandits, who then retreated upon seeing the massive army approaching. But the show gives no implication of this.
Atraveller
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Show Loras was on trial for being gay, there was no reason for the siege of Dragonstone to happen. Thus there was no need to hold it.
The true answer is dramatic effect, the show was never big on accurate representations of fictional civilians on fictional lands, come on guys.
What did you expect? Dothraki horde in the throne room?
The traveling that's occurred implies months on months on months since 5x9.
Maybe two years is an exaggeration, but there are large time gaps between episodes by necessity. It's been well over a year.
What massive army though? I saw two guards, a pretty girl, a dwarf, a maid, and two older dudes.
Yeah no one likes to walk. that's why they use fast travel on the show. Teleports are quick.
I'll buy months, but years? Nope. In months you won't hear much either. Word doesn't really travel that fast, especially to remote areas.
Anoregon
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The massive fleet offshore that would absolutely be visible from Dragonstone?
Ocarina_117
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Yeah you're right. No worth putting more thought into this than D&D.
Though the value of dragonstone is a fun discussion. Stannis saw being given dragonstone as an insult while I believe Robert recognised the need to keep it secure.
A naval base from where to launch an attack on a whole continent being empty it s small thing.
BannedEpisode
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He was behind cercei during the scene where Euron showed up and proposed.
Qybern?! He's not even a REAL maester your grace!
grandjedi6
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1 season = 1 year so it's been a year and x months since Stannis died
They probably saw the ships and ran, not realizing that all of Dany's most important people were gonna invade by themselves lol
Literally a day or two passed between last season and this.
Well I'm not alone at least! It was an okay episode, but it had long stretches of stuff that did little for me. I did like seeing how miserable winter is in this world.
Atraveller
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I guess the show gave Euron a purpose by hooking him up with the Lannisters. But why would he do that exactly? Cersei has three kingdoms, Stormlands, Riverlands and the Rock; Storm lords went to Stannis, Renly and then subsequently the Tyrells, the only River house that was loyal to the crown has just been wiped out, and the Lannisters are all but spent.
Lokimaru
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Don't tell me people are against using the perks and skills gained from leveling up to get to and fight the bosses now. She trained and speced full stealth assassin and plays her class. What would you have her do re-spec as a Knight? Fuck that, she's getting shit done. Shit the exp. gain from icing the whole Frey clan has to be enormous. She's probably the second highest leveled Stark right now. Hell now all she needs is an animal sidekick to scout for her and to x Cercie off her list so she can re-join her party for the final raid boss. Are white walkers Revenents or Liches?
He's going to fuck a queen.
For the same reason that Euron pulled the world's finest fleet out of his ass: because if he didn't then Cersei would immediately lose and the Lannisters would be out of the game.
InstigateAndInquire
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What's all this fuss about Dragonstone being deserted? It was pretty obvious to be the case when even Selyse and Shireen went North.
Plus Stormlands is nonexistant in the show, so she's really just ruler of KL and Westerlands. Euron is KING of the Iron Islands, he is another pretender no less than Jon Snow. Why IS Cersei allying with him? The plot sure is getting dumb ...
Plus Stormlands is nonexistant in the show, so she's really just ruler of KL and Westerlands. Euron is KING of the Iron Islands, he is another pretender no less than Jon Snow. Why IS Cersei allying with him? The plot sure is getting dumb ...
Climate change due to the coming winter caused dense forests to grow on the Iron Islands over night.
Hari Seldon
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Yeah seriously where is Edmure? Lol he is such a good actor and is too underused in this show.
The simple answer is that the show needs a foil for Danny's fleet. With Highgarden now against the Lannisters, Dany should have the largest fleet in the Seven Kingdoms. She could simply starve out the city and force the Lannisters to spend themselves into oblivion by allying with the Iron Bank, but that would be a boring show.
Everyone cares so little about the Iron Islands that two separate monarchs have been willing to trade it for some boats.
CoffeeExpress
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When Dany arrived in Westeros just after kneeling on the sand, Varys should have said to her (with a little smile), "Welcome home" with Tyrion in the background. It would have been neat.
InstigateAndInquire
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I'm all for Dany having foils and this was going to be a problem for the show when they cut Aegon and gave her the Tyrells and Martells. All 3 will probably oppose Dany in the books Probably The Faith and The Vale as well. Dany will probably have 0 Westerosi allies in the books and that's where all the conflict will come from.
The Lannisters really have no place as antagonists anymore, but here we are.
Latvian Hitman
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About the Dragonstone being empty complaints: I mean, I see where you're coming from in terms of real-world logic and everything, but would seeing 60 seconds worth of a few medieval squatters or a small occupying force of Lannisters or the like being dispatched by Dany's army have made the episode materially better somehow from a storytelling perspective? We have seven episodes to work with this season and a lot of ground to cover, I'm not sure that we need to see every little "i" dotted and "t" crossed at every step of the way.
DarkJediKnight
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What massive army though? I saw two guards, a pretty girl, a dwarf, a maid, and two older dudes.
Yeah no one likes to walk. that's why they use fast travel on the show. Teleports are quick.
I'll buy months, but years? Nope. In months you won't hear much either. Word doesn't really travel that fast, especially to remote areas.
Dont forget the 3 giant dragons that Dany sent to Dragonstone to scope it out. If I was manning the gate and saw 3 dragons, I'd run for my life knowing the army that follows it. Let's say it took Dany another 30 min to land after the dragons were sent. That's plenty of time to abandon fort.
DarkJediKnight
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Jon's decision is very understandable. Sansa sounds like Cersei and even Jon mentions it. Her hardships have made her cruel. Punishing children for the sins of their father is something Jon felt all his life from his step mother.
It's the little things that make it feel a world. Without those details, it feels artificial. Like, why hasn't Sam's dad found him? It'd not show ruining but it also doesn't make sense.
Moff
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either way, they should agree on who is the leader and on the issue beforehand and not contradict each other publicly, that's not good leadership.
of course this is littlefingers doing anyway, he is playing sansa like a fiddle. even if she resents him, he clearly placed those ideas in her head in the last season.
He's leveraging his experiences against the Night King against the actions of men. He's following the thought process that once the WWs get south, the differences between houses will be pretty much dropped. (Or should be)
This is exactly like saying you can't throw a father in jail for his crimes because then his children won't have a provider. The goal is not punishing the children(and they're not automatically entitled to live as lords anyway), the goal is to make absolutely clear the consequences for failing your oaths of loyalty.
Now every lord in the North knows that, if it's ever more convenient for them, they can switch over to the other side with no meaningful consequences for their house.
LOL, poor Rickon got forgotten like 5 seconds after his death. At least the Lannisters are supposed to be sociopaths, so it's not even surprising Jaime doesn't bring up Cersei murdering their uncle.
The Glovers already know that. Spit in his face when he comes for aid, and suck it up after he pulls a surprise victory. ALL IS FORGIVEN!
I draw parallels to that to the way Catelyn treated Jon.
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MisterShine
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Except the fact that they and their armies will be wiped out?
Yeah, King Snow isn't going to go Reynes of Castamere on your ass. The northerners have been plenty tight in the past without having to resort to this.
Other topic: I REALLY hope Sansa is playing up the public infighting with Jon to throw Littlefinger off his game,then take him down later. Maybe marry Robin and have him turn against the 'Lord protector'
Moff
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not them, their fathers did. the penalty for treason is death. but the traitors are dead already. he made that clear.
Jon is very obviously right here, even if there was not the looming threat of white walkers which should be the focus and not fighting each other.
do you think the lesson from being stabbed should have been " Oh I guess it was wrong to invite the wildlings here"?. Obviously not, it was the right decision and his killers were wrong and they are still wrong.
Jon is the only one to have the wisdom to see that there are more important things than punishment and petty rivalries between houses. That's why they even made him king. He is supposed to unite the north just like he united the wildlings and the watch. Giving in to some angry lynch mob now would be a mistake.