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[Speevy]

I wonder if Cersei will just kill Euron when she doesn't need him anymore or if someone else will.

 

[The Artisan]

Humanizing the lannister soldiers?

They were Lannister soldiers? I was thinking that but I wasn't sure because it didn't look like they had the banners for it

 

[Moff]

Was there a point to the Ed Sheeran scene other than to have a scene with Ed Sheeran in it?

Do you think this scene was spezifically written for Ed Sheeran and would not have been in the show without him? I'd say the scene was supposed to show arya that not all Lannister soldiers are terrible people.

They were Lannister soldiers? I was thinking that but I wasn't sure because it didn't look like they had the banners for it

they were wearing Lannister armor

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Master Assassin Arya really drives home the fact that I'm watching D&D writing

Yup. She's an invincible master assassin now that she's been trained at the House of Black & White. (Nevermind the fact that she failed in her training at every step and it was never demonstrated on-screen that she actually learned anything beyond how to wash a corpse... )

"Hey, look over here, it's a CGI dragon, motherfuckers!!!"

 

[DarkJediKnight]

They were Lannister soldiers? I was thinking that but I wasn't sure because it didn't look like they had the banners for it

C'mon. The show has been driving it down for years that the Kong's soldiers keep the peace all along the kingsroad.

They were wearing red. They got quiet when told Cersei is going to die.

 

[studyguy]

My girlfriend was like 'Oh...that sounds like Ed Sheeran. She's gonna fucking murder Ed Sheeran?'

 

[Vixdean]

Beautifully shot and well acted as usual. As others have said, the scene with the Hound and Brotherhood was the standout of the episode.

 

[gspec]

I wonder if Cersei will just kill Euron when she doesn't need him anymore or if someone else will.

In the books (chapter from WOW),

Spoiler

Euron's brother (the priest) was made to drink that blue stuff and he had a vision of euron (looking like a kraken\human) on the iron throne with a blonde haired woman\demon at his side as they were laughing as dwarfs have sex and\or being killed.

 

[The Artisan]

they were wearing Lannister armor

Just makin sure.

C'mon. The show has been driving it down for years that the Kong's soldiers keep the peace all along the kingsroad.

They were wearing red. They got quiet when told Cersei is going to die.

Then they laughed and presumably got along with her.

 

[gspec]

Thanks for editing post.

 

[Lonestar]

Thinking on Arya's Feast, in a way, it's to get the feeling of "knowing it's coming." Watching a bunch of people not know they're about to die, like the Frey's knew going into the Red Wedding.

I could see a decent reason to abandon Dragonstone. Think Stannis always viewed being sent there as a slight (instead of staying at Storm's End like he was supposed to). It's an island, and what appears to be a rocky one. My guess is, it's hard to grow any food, and probably doesn't have alot of resources (besides Dragonglass, which up until now was worthless).

 

[NeoGiff]

I haven't seen one, but surely there's someone doing it? There's been a few "gee, these are nicely framed shots" articles in the past.

I'll keep an eye out. We've all been spoiled by the Better Call Saul Insider Podcast.

 

[Mr Git]

If the first shot of the next episode is Ed Sheeran screaming as he's eviscerated I might get over it. Maybe. Actually it wouldn't. It'll just remind me that GoT is Friends now.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

The poop and soup scene maybe.

That's a sure thinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY

 

[Cornballer]

I'll keep an eye out. We've all been spoiled by the Better Call Saul Insider Podcast.

I don't know how much of a market there is for that sort of thing (so much clickbait, so little actual analysis/discussion these days), but I'd be interested in listening/watching something about it. The size of the production is staggering and they certainly have some stories to tell.

 

[Speevy]

The more poop he scooped, the more he vomited. And the more he vomited, the more poop he scooped.

 

[Faddy]

Yup. She's an invincible master assassin now that she's been trained at the House of Black & White. (Nevermind the fact that she failed in her training at every step and it was never demonstrated on-screen that she actually learned anything beyond how to wash a corpse... )

"Hey, look over here, it's a CGI dragon, motherfuckers!!!"

She used a face to kill Meryn Trant. Would have killed Lady Crane if not for her conscience, bested the Waif, infiltrated the Twins, killed Walder Frey. Nothing on screen at all.

And why do you think she is invincible?

 

[DarkJediKnight]

I'm still stuck on Syrio Forel being a faceless man. It's way too convenient that J'qen Hgar was captured by the Lannisters and sent to Harrenhal.

He had to have seen Ned getting his head cut off and saw Arya being taken to Castle Black.

He then decided to test her out to see if she can be a faceless man, already knowing her personality from being Syrio.

 

[zeemumu]

What are those chains on the bookshelves for? I'd assume they were for locking up the books each night but you don't need that many chains for that.

 

[Faddy]

What are those chains on the bookshelves for? I'd assume they were for locking up the books each night but you don't need that many chains for that.

Archmaester Dewey devised his chain cataloguing system to ensure books dealing with the same subject were placed together in the library

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Archmaester Dewey devised his chain cataloguing system to ensure books dealing with the same subject were placed together in the library

How does it work? Do the chains have writing on them to identify where the book goes?

 

[nahlakhai]

It was fucking disgusting.

Anyways, I know a lot of people call Sam & Gilly's arcs boring, but, also while I was thinking of the episode, I realized that they never really delve that deep on the life of a maester; or the making of one.

I guess maesters are the equivalent of PhDs or M.Ds in Westeros? So, they have to learn like...everything? Except other than plot device shit I don't really get why Sam is doing dogsbody work. It'd make more sense to see him in a classroom reading a stack of books; it would make more sense to see the maesters make him read shit and take tests and what not.

It's actually a perfect metaphor for the early clinical years of MD training.

Source: am an early clinical MD trainee

 

[Chris R]

How does it work? Do the chains have writing on them to identify where the book goes?

Archmaester Dewey was a joke on the Dewey Decimal System, used by libraries in real life

 

[TheOctodad]

What are those chains on the bookshelves for? I'd assume they were for locking up the books each night but you don't need that many chains for that.

Presumably more valuable books were chained to the shelves to prevent anyone walking away with them.

 

[Staccat0]

I'm assuming that when Stannis put all of his chips on the table in one last push he was planning on taking refuge for the winter. I don't really care if we see a newly introduced handmaiden character trying to chase Dany away with a broom. I can assume they just just stayed the fuck out of the way considering Stannis was burning his own people alive last time we saw any of his non-soldiers.

 

[Burt]

I really hope the battle at Eastwatch doesn't just turn into a big character pruner. I mean, the Night's King has to get past the wall somehow eventually, but if Eastwatch just ends up being a slaughter to streamline the plot and provide that 'darkest before the dawn'/'we're all fucked going into the final act' moment... it'd have to be pretty incredible for me to not balk at it.

Like, you can't kill Tormund. I don't need that at this point in the show. It's a cheap, easy target, and a death that wouldn't really change anything narratively other than making things simpler for writers down the line. It'd be like killing Davos. And then you throw the Hound and Berric and Thoros in the trash with him too now, and just... bleh.

 

[TheOctodad]

Like, you can't kill ...

Welp, you just sentenced all of them to death now.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I'm sorry but I laughed my ass off at Euron being a Rock Star.

 

[studyguy]

I'm sorry but I laughed my ass off at Euron being a Rock Star.

Straight up looked like he rolled out of a Hot Topic.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I was expecting Melissandre to pop out of the shadows in that last scene.

 

[The Artisan]

It's actually a perfect metaphor for the early clinical years of MD training.

Source: am an early clinical MD trainee

that's pretty cool actually, to know that someone's perspective on the show (yours) is relatable to what Sam's going through in the form of a metaphor, like you said.

I guess the only thing with that is that do the maesters have to learn, like, literally everything? It doesn't seem like maesters are broken up into (to compare to real life) MD, PhD i.e different types maesters specializing in different subjects and there being sub-titles given to maestors and what not, other than that archmaester that we learn of.

But anyways like I said, I am glad that they are doing it because while we haven't really had any maester that was a full on main character, each of them were vital to the story in their own way. So it's cool to see the "early clinical MD" training as part of a character's arc now

 

[Burt]

Welp, you just sentenced all of them to death now.

Yeah, probably.

that's pretty cool actually, to know that someone's perspective on the show (yours) is relatable to what Sam's going through in the form of a metaphor, like you said.

I guess the only thing with that is that do the maesters have to learn, like, literally everything? It doesn't seem like maesters are broken up into (to compare to real life) MD, PhD i.e different types maesters specializing in different subjects and there being sub-titles given to maestors and what not, other than that archmaester that we learn of.

I think every link on a maester's chain represents a different subject, and maybe in the books they're each made out of a different metal. My memories fuzzy on it. But I think once you're 'certified' in all the disciplines of the standard chain, you're officially a maester, and then beyond that general education I'm sure there are plenty of maesters that have extreme specialization.

 

[studyguy]

I thought he was just cleaning up everyone's chamber pots? Not just the infirmed.
He picked up the keys to that library after picking up the chamber pot from the same dude.

Also that was a lot of poo in that episode.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

She used a face to kill Meryn Trant. Would have killed Lady Crane if not for her conscience, bested the Waif, infiltrated the Twins, killed Walder Frey. Nothing on screen at all.

And why do you think she is invincible?

Nothing you list there was ever earned by her character in any way. Let's just look in broad strokes at her time in Braavos:

All she did in S5 was fail and constantly question and disobey Jaqen to the point that he had to blind her as punishment. She then spends two episodes of S6 on the street, gets beaten up by the Waif a couple times, and Jaqen just shows up like, "OK- you're cool to come back and train again now." Cue up a couple more lost stick fights to the Waif, and, all of a sudden, she's ready for a new contract! Which, she fails to execute, of course.

Next, knowing full well that either the Waif or Jaqen himself will be coming for her, she just goes galavanting around town in broad daylight throwing big bags of money around to book passage out of town. She then allows a stranger to approach her, never even considering that it might be a faceless assassin, gets her belly sliced open from left to right and then stabbed in the abdomen multiple times.

Let's face facts: she's dead. Her character is dumb as a box of rocks at this point. She's constantly failed in her training, questioned Jaqen at every turn and is openly defying the clearly defined rules of an ancient order of fucking assassins that strikes fear in the hearts of everyone on the globe. When Ned was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Robb was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Jon was this stupid, he paid for it with his life.

Arya? Nah. She's rewarded for being stupid. Based on what we've seen to this point, we have no reason to believe that she'd be anything other than the shittiest faceless assassin in history, but she gets to pass go, collect $200, and become a master assassin because reasons. And Jaqen is totally cool with her thumbing her nose at the Many-Faced God and just doing what she wants, killing who she wants, etc.- also, because reasons. IN the span of a couple episodes, she goes from losing stick fights against a teenage girl to making Frey pies and wiping out entire houses.

I largely liked S6 and thought it was a great turnaround from the lackluster season before it, but Arya's arc in Braavos was a low point throughout for me. That girl's got so much plot armor on her at this point, I can't figure out how she's able to walk.

 

[Apt101]

I really hope the battle at Eastwatch doesn't just turn into a big character pruner. I mean, the Night's King has to get past the wall somehow eventually, but if Eastwatch just ends up being a slaughter to streamline the plot and provide that 'darkest before the dawn'/'we're all fucked going into the final act' moment... it'd have to be pretty incredible for me to not balk at it.

Like, you can't kill Tormund. I don't need that at this point in the show. It's a cheap, easy target, and a death that wouldn't really change anything narratively other than making things simpler for writers down the line. It'd be like killing Davos. And then you throw the Hound and Berric and Thoros in the trash with him too now, and just... bleh.

You should prepare yourself, because it's happening.

Clegane may be on his way to becoming a reformed scoundrel, but he's still a scoundrel. He has all of those lives on his hands, and now The Lord of Light has given him purpose and redemption - death for a greater cause than himself. A knight's tale in the end.

Berric has been dead, and both he and Tormund are just surrogates for other characters and storylines as far as the show is concerned.

Thoros was born to die for The Lord of Light.

I think Brienne and Podrick will be the most devastating. I bet they somehow die in fire like Dunk and Egg.

 

[Fuzzy]

I was actually surprised Dany didn't come across some starving people and then she could've been their savior also.

 

[mantidor]

Arya's plot in Braavos was resolved very cheaply but her becoming "no one" would have been terrible, she was always coming back to Westeros.

 

[gspec]

Nothing you list there was ever earned by her character in any way. Let's just look in broad strokes at her time in Braavos:

All she did in S5 was fail and constantly question and disobey Jaqen to the point that he had to blind her as punishment. She then spends two episodes of S6 on the street, gets beaten up by the Waif a couple times, and Jaqen just shows up like, "OK- you're cool to come back and train again now." Cue up a couple more lost stick fights to the Waif, and, all of a sudden, she's ready for a new contract! Which, she fails to execute, of course.

Next, knowing full well that either the Waif or Jaqen himself will be coming for her, she just goes galavanting around town in broad daylight throwing big bags of money around to book passage out of town. She then allows a stranger to approach her, never even considering that it might be a faceless assassin, gets her belly sliced open from left to right and then stabbed in the abdomen multiple times.

Let's face facts: she's dead. Her character is dumb as a box of rocks at this point. She's constantly failed in her training, questioned Jaqen at every turn and is openly defying the clearly defined rules of an ancient order of fucking assassins that strikes fear in the hearts of everyone on the globe. When Ned was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Robb was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Jon was this stupid, he paid for it with his life.

Arya? Nah. She's rewarded for being stupid. Based on what we've seen to this point, we have no reason to believe that she'd be anything other than the shittiest faceless assassin in history, but she gets to pass go, collect $200, and become a master assassin because reasons. And Jaqen is totally cool with her thumbing her nose at the Many-Faced God and just doing what she wants, killing who she wants, etc.- also, because reasons. IN the span of a couple episodes, she goes from losing stick fights against a teenage girl to making Frey pies and wiping out entire houses.

I largely liked S6 and thought it was a great turnaround from the lackluster season before it, but Arya's arc in Braavos was a low point throughout for me. That girl's got so much plot armor on her at this point, I can't figure out how she's able to walk.

Yeah. The show does a bad job showing Arya's progression but that TV. They have to cut things out to move the story forward. They are just bad at it.

 

[cubicle47b]

I forgot how awful that Braavos sequence was. I initially thought Arya was setting a trap, but nope.

 

[kirblar]

The moral of the "no one" thing is that you can't do it. You have to learn to lie well enough to make them believe it.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Yeah. The show does a bad job showing Arya's progression but that TV. They have to cut things out to move the story forward. They are just bad at it.

This wasn't really a case of just not enough screen time, though. There was a ridiculous amount of repetition there. It was just a botched storyline from start to finish.

 

[Piggus]

Good lord, you guys.

People being beheaded in front of their kids: meh

Pregnant woman stabbed to death: meh

Children burned alive: meh

Woman and baby eaten alive by starving dogs: meh

All manner of dicks, ass, tits, and vag: meh

Poop: WHAT THE FUCK THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR

 

[InfiniteBento]

Im really hoping Arya kills those Lannisters and uses one of their faces to make her way into King's Landing.

Otherwise that scene was dumb as fuck but I feel pretty certain that set up was its purpose.

 

[adamsapple]

God damn if they don't hook up.

That's how the wall comes down. Tormund and Brienne getting it on on-top of the wall.

 

[Oldest Snake]

Next, knowing full well that either the Waif or Jaqen himself will be coming for her, she just goes galavanting around town in broad daylight throwing big bags of money around to book passage out of town. She then allows a stranger to approach her, never even considering that it might be a faceless assassin, gets her belly sliced open from left to right and then stabbed in the abdomen multiple times.
[/B].

Let it also be noted that this was so poorly done that people immediately began theorizing that it was intentionally bad because she was laying a trap for the Waif.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Can't wait for you to read this on the first chapter of the supposed book that's supposedly coming out supposedly soon and then say GENIUS.

Bellend.

Lol. Did I hurt your feelings?

 

[rashbeep]

Nothing you list there was ever earned by her character in any way. Let's just look in broad strokes at her time in Braavos:

All she did in S5 was fail and constantly question and disobey Jaqen to the point that he had to blind her as punishment. She then spends two episodes of S6 on the street, gets beaten up by the Waif a couple times, and Jaqen just shows up like, "OK- you're cool to come back and train again now." Cue up a couple more lost stick fights to the Waif, and, all of a sudden, she's ready for a new contract! Which, she fails to execute, of course.

Next, knowing full well that either the Waif or Jaqen himself will be coming for her, she just goes galavanting around town in broad daylight throwing big bags of money around to book passage out of town. She then allows a stranger to approach her, never even considering that it might be a faceless assassin, gets her belly sliced open from left to right and then stabbed in the abdomen multiple times.

Let's face facts: she's dead. Her character is dumb as a box of rocks at this point. She's constantly failed in her training, questioned Jaqen at every turn and is openly defying the clearly defined rules of an ancient order of fucking assassins that strikes fear in the hearts of everyone on the globe. When Ned was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Robb was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Jon was this stupid, he paid for it with his life.

Arya? Nah. She's rewarded for being stupid. Based on what we've seen to this point, we have no reason to believe that she'd be anything other than the shittiest faceless assassin in history, but she gets to pass go, collect $200, and become a master assassin because reasons. And Jaqen is totally cool with her thumbing her nose at the Many-Faced God and just doing what she wants, killing who she wants, etc.- also, because reasons. IN the span of a couple episodes, she goes from losing stick fights against a teenage girl to making Frey pies and wiping out entire houses.

I largely liked S6 and thought it was a great turnaround from the lackluster season before it, but Arya's arc in Braavos was a low point throughout for me. That girl's got so much plot armor on her at this point, I can't figure out how she's able to walk.

spot on, just laughable writing for arya at this point

 

[Faddy]

Nothing you list there was ever earned by her character in any way. Let's just look in broad strokes at her time in Braavos:

All she did in S5 was fail and constantly question and disobey Jaqen to the point that he had to blind her as punishment. She then spends two episodes of S6 on the street, gets beaten up by the Waif a couple times, and Jaqen just shows up like, "OK- you're cool to come back and train again now." Cue up a couple more lost stick fights to the Waif, and, all of a sudden, she's ready for a new contract! Which, she fails to execute, of course.

Next, knowing full well that either the Waif or Jaqen himself will be coming for her, she just goes galavanting around town in broad daylight throwing big bags of money around to book passage out of town. She then allows a stranger to approach her, never even considering that it might be a faceless assassin, gets her belly sliced open from left to right and then stabbed in the abdomen multiple times.

Let's face facts: she's dead. Her character is dumb as a box of rocks at this point. She's constantly failed in her training, questioned Jaqen at every turn and is openly defying the clearly defined rules of an ancient order of fucking assassins that strikes fear in the hearts of everyone on the globe. When Ned was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Robb was this stupid, he paid for it with his life. When Jon was this stupid, he paid for it with his life.

Arya? Nah. She's rewarded for being stupid. Based on what we've seen to this point, we have no reason to believe that she'd be anything other than the shittiest faceless assassin in history, but she gets to pass go, collect $200, and become a master assassin because reasons. And Jaqen is totally cool with her thumbing her nose at the Many-Faced God and just doing what she wants, killing who she wants, etc.- also, because reasons. IN the span of a couple episodes, she goes from losing stick fights against a teenage girl to making Frey pies and wiping out entire houses.

I largely liked S6 and thought it was a great turnaround from the lackluster season before it, but Arya's arc in Braavos was a low point throughout for me. That girl's got so much plot armor on her at this point, I can't figure out how she's able to walk.

She probably should be dead. But so should Jon, Tyrion, Dany and many others! Davos, Brienne, Bran. Failures all rewarded if you want to put it in those terms.

Arya failed to become No One but she learned lots from her time with the Faceless Men. She worked with the faces, succeeded eventually at almost all the tests. Just because she didn't follow through with killing strangers doesn't mean her time was pointless.

She was ignorant to think she could just walk away from the Faceless Men but once she defeats the Waif she went and confronted Jaqen telling him she was going home that should be her troubles over right? If Jaqen wanted her dead he could have killed her there and then, a half trained girl with a small sword. But he didn't.

 

[ryseing]

Let's be honest it would have been completely brilliant if Dany had arrived at Dragonstone and Saladhor Saan was sitting on the throne.

"I'm here to fuck the Queen"

Sex. Pirate.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Let it also be noted that this was so poorly done that people immediately began theorizing that it was intentionally bad because she was laying a trap for the Waif.

I remember! I was on board that hope (not hype!) train as well. But, nope. It wound up being just as stupid as it actually looked.

She probably should be dead. But so should Jon, Tyrion, Dany and many others! Davos, Brienne, Bran. Failures all rewarded if you want to put it in those terms.

Arya failed to become No One but she learned lots from her time with the Faceless Men. She worked with the faces, succeeded eventually at almost all the tests. Just because she didn't follow through with killing strangers doesn't mean her time was pointless.

She was ignorant to think she could just walk away from the Faceless Men but once she defeats the Waif she went and confronted Jaqen telling him she was going home that should be her troubles over right? If Jaqen wanted her dead he could have killed her there and then, a half trained girl with a small sword. But he didn't.

You're just listing off stuff she did. That doesn't mean any of it was earned or that it worked well.

Also- she never "worked with" the faces. She was expressly forbidden to work with them by Jaqen because she was such a fuckup. Her only experience with the faces was flat-out stealing one to kill Trant, and bringing the Waif's face back to the temple when she told Jaqen to go *f* himself, and that he and his God and his rules can get bent.