secondspace
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Merging threads would be a bit unfair on people waiting for the show to end before starting the books.
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Would be nice to have a fleshed out Pirate vs Pirate storyline.
6 episodes :/
hydrophilic attack
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They're referring to the theory that Aegon is a Blackfyre and not actually Aegon Targaryen, son of Rhaegar Targaryen
Poor GRIMES
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Honestly the convo between the two threads is not much different anymore, the biggest difference being the incessant pessimism in here. They are mentioning the books all the time in the "unsullied" thread lately.
I read dance within the past two years. I barely remember any of the mereen stuff because it's mostly awful
More power to you if you like it, but my brain has a hard enough time remembering the history of westeros without adding a bunch of guys named Xerox Qo Xerzdaq
They wanted the bad pussy.
IIRC, they weren't going to include Dorne but one of the writers really wanted to do it, so they kind of rushed it together haphazardly.
demosthenes
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Why does this keep getting brought up? Nobody cares.
If they ever bring it up I suppose they'll just say the northern lords choose Jon as their King and excuse him from his duty.
That and the wall fell. The Night's Watch is dead or at least absorbed into the northern armies.
Because Jon being trustworthy was an important point for Cercei this episode.
The thread that was promised.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Aegon isn't a real Targaryen, he's a Blackfyre.
I've looked at that thread and it's generally awful.
It's better once you re-read and except it for what it is and not what you want it to be. I had similar thoughts at first, but Meereen is very nicely written.
It's brought up because the start of the show is Ned Stark decapitating a person who abanonded the nights watch. There is no in-universe explanation for why everyone is okay with this (except for the White Walkers attacking and Jon going for help). But that point is almost never brought up.
Was it Dave Hill? Not all his ideas can be gold.
What? Why would that even remotely matter?
Cornballer
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The staff will discuss it, like we always do, but I suspect that we'll stick with two threads for the final season. If anyone has strong opinions about it, feel free to send us a pm with your thoughts.
In other news, this thread and the other one are being moved over to the Community forum for the off season on Sunday or Monday.
demosthenes
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I don't know why you expect the show to be 100% consistent in anything, this isn't season 1 to 3 anymore where d&d cared about that stuff a little. They do2nt care now.
I'm just pointing out a plot hole.
They wanted a good show, but they needed the bad acting.
Why would Cersei point this out? She is on even shakier ground with her claim to the throne. Some things are just best left unsaid.
She doesn't care that her brother left the Kingsguard either, she doesn't care about those vows. And she certainly doesn't care about the watch. It is even a bit strange she never cared that he became their leader, and then took in all those wildlings.
She said she could trust his word but, for all she knows, he broke his NW vow. Why does she think he's trustworthy? I'm not saying she should out Jon or execute him or anything.
I'm not talking about vows in general. She doesn't care about vows. But what is she basing her trust in Jon on? Yes, he's Ned's son, but he's also an oathbreaker. Why does the promise of an oathbreaker matter to her?
Plus he's a "bastard" and everyone in Westeros knows not to trust a bastard. It's best not to think too much about it, D&D didn't.
electroshockwave
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If The Winds of Winter comes out will we have a no show spoilers thread?
We already have one but I'm sure there will be another if TWoW is ever released.
ClosingADoor
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She doesn't trust him. It's all just talk. She betrayed them and is fully expecting Jon to attack her - if he survives the whole stuff in the North.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Because the back story of the Golden Company will get told (maybe changed) and it will inevitably lead to discussion of the books. Considering as someone mentioned that there are probably a decent number of people waiting for the show to be over, Faegon and the Golden Company is a pretty big plot point/twist in Books 5 and onward.
The entire mission to capture a wight was predicated on trusting Cercei. Maybe it's not the writers who are dumb but just every single character.
Would be cool. I just want a pirate king battle between Saan and Euron, because there can be only 1 king of the pirates.
Still, I'd expect Cersei to bring it up to at least shame him or get him in a compromising position. By the laws of Westeros any lord is able to execute Jon on sight, who as far as they know, deserted the Night's Watch and forsook his vows. Of course we the audience knows that Jon literally died and got off on that technicality, but as we've seen this season he's been keeping that on the down low to the realm abroad. It's something a political minded, hypocritical, and spiteful Cersei should've brought up but yeah, add it to the pile. People have been harping on this point since the North crowned Jon king.
Why does Cercei trust Jon?
Moff
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She doesn't, which is why she pulled back her troops and ordererd a golden company
you are right, though, that Jon should be considered an oath breaker, and if he really wanted to be like his supposed father, he would execute himself as a deserter
One person can
But that's it
And he seems to take a long time getting around to things
Sword Jesus did it.
7he Talon
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He didn't do a good job... they're back and weren't fully defeated.
ForkNetwork
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Honestly, I think the true nature of the others is the aspect im most anticipating out of all Winds of Winter. I dont expect GRRM to just make them chaotic evil villains. especially when hes proven time and time again that he likes doing weird twists and turns.
Rad Shadow
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Who is Saan?
At least the Others have a language in the books, like, you know, an actual race of beings. The show hasn't show me anything to say they aren't going to all initiate shut down as soon as Jon stabs the Night King with his magic sword.
I groaned when the Hound kicked the wight and the rest of them started shrieking.
I mean, maybe they were mad their buddy was getting kicked
But they weren't, it's a hive mind.
That's not what a plot hole is.
Rad Shadow
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Oh geez. Forgot all about that guy. When was the last time we saw him, season 4?
andythinkpad
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The more she drank, the more she shat; the more she shat, the more she drank.
ForkNetwork
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The best chapter of Dance.
"In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot."
Seems like a plot hole to me. Why isn't it? Cercei employed busted logic to trust Jon.
kylecoley182
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The last scene in the final episode I thought to my self for the linch king !
H.Cornerstone
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She does because Ned kept his word to the end and was extremely Noble. Remember, Cersei wanted Ned to take the black, Little finger convinced Joffrey to execute him