The Artisan
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pretty obvious is the word but if GRRM were to do the unexpected I'd want to see Edmure Tully do something to redeem himself also, if that Valonqar shit means anything.
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StrongArmSteady
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Jaime us going kill cersei, but illyn pain chops his other arm off, cue cersei gloating as pain impales her too.. short pause then face wipe arya stark smilin and finishing off with some lion wolf quip as they are both bleeding out..
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Not sure if GRRM will do it, that depends entirely on how his story continues. Jaime has a very different story arc in the books.
But the show will definitely do it.
That's exactly why he wouldn't have said anything more. He doesn't know how to take what she said, and doesn't trust her now. If the show had an internal monologue his would probably be something like 'Shit shit shit what the hell am I going to do now? How do I fix this?'
SargerusBR
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There's a theory going around that in that map scene, Cersei is standing in the Neck and Jaime in the Fingers, foreshadowing Jaime as the Valonqar.
That's putting a little too much faith in the scene blocking there.
WaffleTaco
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Jamie will kill Cersei; it's not supposed to be a twist for the viewer, but a twist for Cersei because she has always expected Tyrion would try to kill her.
The Artisan
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Not sure if GRRM will do valonqar?
Once the Greyjoy fleet arrived though Jaime was feeling very protective of Cersei again though, and pretty offended when Euron showed his 2 good hands off.
Going with Tyrion for that one, myself.
The Artisan
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I also heard he doesn't care about prophecies and what not so maybe this is all just a bluff.
Tyrion is way too obvious. Jaime is going to be it, after they reveal he was born a minute after Cersei or something.
The Artisan
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I think it's already established that Jaime is the younger twin anyway, so that revelation wouldn't mean or change anything.
Is it? I forgot.
It would mean something, because valonqar means 'little brother', if Jaime was older he wouldn't be the valonqar, would he?
The Artisan
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i'm not 100% but i think it has been established. the wikipedia says cersei is the eldest of tywin's children.
It's mentioned in the books that Cersei is older.
Also, I can almost guarantee Jaime kills is the one to kill Cersei, remember in the books he was content to let her die to the high sparrow, and after "she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know" he has become completely disillusioned with her.
Also, I can almost guarantee Jaime kills is the one to kill Cersei, remember in the books he was content to let her die to the high sparrow, and after "she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know" he has become completely disillusioned with her.
The Artisan
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i'm just saying that if GRRM wants to throw another unexpected then it should be Edmure Tully.
Jaime killing Cersei isn't supposed to be an unexpected twist, in the books we get the advantage of seeing these characters thoughts, and as we have seen Cersei gain more power she has become less careful and more insane, it's basically been foreshadowed at this point that Jaime will be the one to do it.
The Artisan
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I get that, which is why I said if GRRM does want to throw in an unexpected twist then it should be Edmure Tully.
I feel I'm the only one who does not see this. The mark the Night King gave Bran was to find him, not to dispell any magic, the idea as I saw it was that the magic of the children was able to keep regular wights at bay from bloodraven's cave, but not someone powerful like the Night King. This is again confirmed when he is in front of the cave and does his "touch the ground" move to show the children their magic was not strong enough. The wall however is something else.
Cornballer
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Watchers updated their ratings chart to reflect the S7 premiere:
This is the first run viewership for all the shows and doesn't include reruns, DVR, on-demand, HBOGo, etc...
What if Arya took Jaime's face after killing him and then fulfils the prophecy by killing Cersei disguised as Jaime... the person with easiest access to Cersei would be Jaime after all.
SargerusBR
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Tyrion quote really got it kicked off.
"she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know"
The Artisan
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whoa, that is a pretty steep jump!
ToyMachine228
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This would be a horrificly bad end to Jaime's character arc.
Latvian Hitman
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If the biggest complaints about an episode penned by D&D are Dragonstone being empty and Ed Sheeran, we're in pretty good shape.
Was really hoping for some dick, fart or 'smells like ass' jokes, but will settle for poop montage.
Was really hoping for some dick, fart or 'smells like ass' jokes, but will settle for poop montage.
True, true. However I supposed if he were already dead by another's hand by the time she got to him?
Considering he was supposed to turn on Cersei in season 4 and has basically been having the same "We're the only ones who matter." scene on repeat, it can't be worse.
It's like D and D said "Jaime and Cersei need to hate each other, but let's save that for the end of the show and just have Jaime keep leaving King's Landing for whatever reason."
Wait til Tyrion shares a scene with Varys again then. 90% of his dialogue last season was talking about Varys' lack of a penis.
Which is ironic considering Tyrion scolds Theon for making short jokes.
The Artisan
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that scene pissed me off. if you go back to season 1 you'll see that Theon never insulted Tyrion until Tyrion provoked him into doing so. Tyrion was the one who initiated the disrespect.
bodyofanamerican
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I think they had to make a choice as to where they'd have him tread water till the end game. Either have him tread water hating her, or tread water trying to repair an obviously destroyed relationship until they could get around to her blowing up the Sept of Baelor with wildfire, since there's no LSH in the show.
Tyrion is a shithead. This is not a revelation.
Tyrion also says "I have a soft spot for cripples, bastards, and broken things". I'm not sure he would have initiated any insults, unprovoked, to Varys.
They seriously whitewashed him in the show though.
Would show Tyrion have almost killed Penny like book Tyrion? (Never mind the fact that she was entirely cut out except for the purple wedding)
The Artisan
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I hear he is better in the show than in the books though. But in that scene in particular, it narratively seemed like the viewer was supposed to be on Tyrion's side for that. Like the showrunners forgot that the first and only other scene these two characters shared together, Tyrion was the one being the dick. Since Theon decided to be his Reek self and not rebuttal to say "I didn't call you Imp until after you undermined my presence as Ned Stark's ward." Instead he just goes along with the blame and says "that was a long time ago."
he says that right before he leaves the room and that's when Theon came to talk to him. Varys and Tyrion are basically friends so it's not a big deal to me if they make fun of each other but Theon didn't say anything mean to Tyrion until he felt annoyed.
Man, the Red Wedding really made this show into a juggernaut.
Oh yeah of course, how could I forget. That's another difference, in the books she'd really been around town at this point.
Since they are now on the same side of an alliance, and I have to assume that Tyrion has to have enough knowledge/networking to know his Niece died in Dorne, can we assume there will be any dialogue between him and Ellaria Sand?
Nevermind that they never really showed him reacting to her death, which in it's own way could give him some guilt over it (he did send her to Dorne to be safe in the first place).
Though maybe it's just more that her death got buried along with the rest of the Dorne plotline.
Yep, UUU and Dorne almost killed the show. Started back up with Hardhome, saving the series from that slide. "The Gift" was the lowest point (episode after UUU)
Nevermind that they never really showed him reacting to her death, which in it's own way could give him some guilt over it (he did send her to Dorne to be safe in the first place).
Though maybe it's just more that her death got buried along with the rest of the Dorne plotline.
Yep, UUU and Dorne almost killed the show. Started back up with Hardhome, saving the series from that slide. "The Gift" was the lowest point (episode after UUU)
Not to mention the "Myrish swamp" absent from the show.
I just pretend that show Dorne isn't cannon, it's getting harder to do though sadly.
Acidote
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I do wonder about Jaime strangling Cersei with just one hand.🤔 He's strong for sure but strangling someone with just one hand is kind of difficult, did the profecy mentioned "hands" in plural? Maybe that is a hint
I don't remember it, but even if it's not in plural it could still be Tyrion. He could kill her with his Hand of the Queen brooch, and so killing her with his own hand.
Oldest Snake
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I do wonder about Jaime strangling Cersei with just one hand.🤔 He's strong for sure but strangling someone with just one hand is kind of difficult, did the profecy mentioned "hands" in plural? Maybe that is a hint
It does specify "hands", rather than "hand".
That said, Tyrion spends the books post-ASOS repeating that "hands of gold are always cold" line from the Symon's song, and we've already seen golden hands used to strangle a character (Shae, with the Hand's Chain).
Cornballer
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The Gift aired on Memorial Day weekend in 2015.
Latvian Hitman
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You raise an excellent point. I've got a pretty good feeling this will be swept under the rug. Either that, or any attempt to address it will fall flat.
I do wonder about Jaime strangling Cersei with just one hand.🤔 He's strong for sure but strangling someone with just one hand is kind of difficult, did the profecy mentioned "hands" in plural? Maybe that is a hint
While not as cinematic as a face-to-face strangulation, he could always get the job done with a sleeper choke. Or could use a sheathed sword. That could be pulled off well enough while keeping them face-to-face if he pins her down with it.
That had nothing to do with Dorne, however, I believe that week was going up against a US holiday, hence the big drop.
The Artisan
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how do we know he won't try?
Season 5 him and arya stayed there and he stole the farmers silver and said they will die anyways.
Then they died but now hes more caring