Needlecrash
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Good for them for putting this out. Don't kowtow to anyone. I'll probably need to upgrade my rig tho.
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Unrecord - Official Early Gameplay Trailer (Unreal Engine 5-powered body-cam FPS)
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Good for them for putting this out. Don't kowtow to anyone. I'll probably need to upgrade my rig tho.
Thabass
Member
I understand what you mean. But, you're misunderstanding what a critique is, especially a fair one. But yeah, you do you, I guess. I agree to disagree.
I mean, sure, maybe a bit over the top, but that shit happens in game development. That doesn't mean he hates the game (and he has said as much). It's a comment and critique on the industry at large. And, again, as I've said in the past in this thread, is a very fair one. I don't know how else to explain it other than that.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Musashipan
Member
This look too real to be truth, unbelievable!
Of course, Master Race.
Of course, Master Race.
NightmareFarm
Member
Idk about that, the UE5 matrix demo had consoles stuttering way beneath 30fps and even that didn't look as photorealistic as this. Maybe you're right about "precomputed lighting" though, idk.
Musashipan
Member
I was never really impressed with anything this Feb, except by Flight Simulator, but this video blew my mind!
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Looks unbelievably impressive. Unreal 5 is pretty damn amazing.
DaciaJC
Gold Member
I don't doubt that level of lighting quality is possible with today's technology, but the quality and variety of animation in combination with the dynamic camera looks almost too good to be true. There is a somewhat similar aiming system in games like Red Orchestra 2 and Rising Storm where you can move your gun's aiming point anywhere within a "box" on the screen without significantly shifting your field of vision, but this seems to be on an entirely different level.
Really hoping this pans out and delivers on the premise.
Really hoping this pans out and delivers on the premise.
It would be fair if it was nearing release. Save critiques for art design, level design, etc.
Thabass
Member
He did. And people got bent out of shape about it. Either way, I'm done discussing this. I've made my points.
MMaRsu
Member
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
No he didn’t. Lying doesn’t make something true. Grow up.
Edit: here’s the text.
“It looks very realistic/photorealistic, but lightning is still rough. No RT, no shadows in the characters, lacking AO. Some furniture objects have very low geometry, like the final coach, which is basically a cube, and enemies are not that good.
The studio doesn't have publisher or money, so don't expect this to be released soon (or ever).”
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Finally the experts can stfu about it, from on rails to fmv to whatever made up crap, lol. Or will they find some new goal posts?
saintjules
Gold Member
Edit: The comment above shows it's 100% the real deal. Mindblowing.
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TVexperto
Member
Its not on rails but its completely photoscanned meaning you cannot interact with any objectives like the barrels
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
So, moving goal posts it is. Also that's another dumb take, at least one standard marketplace 3D asset pack for themed objects like that has been shown to be in use in these videos (whether placeholder or not). Whether they're made interactive or not is another matter. They never promised, or showed, amazing next gen physics, fully procedurally destructible environments a la R6 Siege (meaning most games don't have that so it's still big news when one does) or expensive AAA set pieces a la COD when folks claimed it's all fake or on rails or FMV, just an understated narrative adventure meets fps likened to Firewatch x Ready or Not. Clearly they have a vision and are going after it in a viable way rather than just boast about technology and feature creep and propose something impossible for a tiny indie studio with like 3 known devs to accomplish. Whine harder, it's so becoming.
Indies were doing this a decade ago thanks to photogrammetry, it's a legit tool that's grown in use since then, not somethin that diminishes the results shown here in any way as if they're taking a shortcut or limiting what they can do by utilizing it more than the small studio size does. Games like Firewatch were hardly interactive without using such a pipeline anyway, that wasn't their end goal or point, but no, games using it don't necessarily have to be some completely static devoid of interactivity thing or whatever you're imagining here. That's all up to their game design.
How's the average or better than average game like Half-Life Alyx so much more interactive in terms of environments? Only objects are interactive, not every wall or random prop, only what has some gameplay purpose and some decorative stuff like the barrels you mention or bottles, coke cans and other clutter objects, not the environment itself for most of the game, even the foliage doesn't really move and nobody complained and it's been praised as a game and visually too. Now it's a problem these people aren't making a photorealistic Teardown or The Finals? Seriously, this 3 person developed game has to be the one to get all the backlash ever? From being so good it's fake to being a cop game to not being good enough because it doesn't bring next gen physics like most games haven't since the next gen hardware launched? Come on, go pick on someone your size folks.
Indies were doing this a decade ago thanks to photogrammetry, it's a legit tool that's grown in use since then, not somethin that diminishes the results shown here in any way as if they're taking a shortcut or limiting what they can do by utilizing it more than the small studio size does. Games like Firewatch were hardly interactive without using such a pipeline anyway, that wasn't their end goal or point, but no, games using it don't necessarily have to be some completely static devoid of interactivity thing or whatever you're imagining here. That's all up to their game design.
How's the average or better than average game like Half-Life Alyx so much more interactive in terms of environments? Only objects are interactive, not every wall or random prop, only what has some gameplay purpose and some decorative stuff like the barrels you mention or bottles, coke cans and other clutter objects, not the environment itself for most of the game, even the foliage doesn't really move and nobody complained and it's been praised as a game and visually too. Now it's a problem these people aren't making a photorealistic Teardown or The Finals? Seriously, this 3 person developed game has to be the one to get all the backlash ever? From being so good it's fake to being a cop game to not being good enough because it doesn't bring next gen physics like most games haven't since the next gen hardware launched? Come on, go pick on someone your size folks.
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Thabass
Member
The bolded is what I'm talking about. These are his critiques, which I believe are small critiques. I don't care what y'all call them, but to me these are critiques.
The other part is his opinion on it's eventual release. That, of which, I do not agree with.
There is nothing here that I am lying about and is just a matter of opinion. I have stated that I agree to disagree, so please drop it.
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The bolded is about a game far from release. If it was coming out in 3 months I would agree. It currently has no release date.
It could also be bull crap and the final game will look worse. I will wait until near release to make any technical judgement.
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Thabass
Member
Great, very happy for you.
I_D
Member
I agree that it's just a fisheye lens, but that's not quite what I'm talking about. I'm not sure what you mean by the second sentence.
There's a fair amount of arm-bobbing and recoiling going on, and you can see that sometimes he turns the gun without turning his body.
It looks an awful lot like Tarkov's free-aim system, but much much smoother. If so, that would be awesome.
But it also kinda looks like The Darkness, which means it might just be random animations instead of actual gameplay. If so, that is also nice, but less awesome.
There are also moments, like at 1:10 with the drone, where the ADS doesn't even come close to looking down the actual sites. He's also still able to track the drone with just his arms, which almost looks like an auto-aim.
So yeah, it looks really cool. I'm just curious how it works.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ok. Still doesnt explain the VR movement of the hands. How is the mouse and keyboard creating such a smooth animation transition?
At one point, he brings the gun up to his chest. how did he do that?
I want to believe so bad, but this shits on every game made by all these fancy AAA devs over at Naughty Dog, Rockstar and CD project. I have seen demos with photorealistic assets but this captures the atmosphere so well that its almost too realistic. Matrix still looks like a video game compared to this.
TheShocker
Member
Not that I’ve been in a shooting, but this looks like any of my body cam footage when on calls and whatnot. Pretty crazy. Maybe a little too fisheyed in the fov, but still pretty close.
Mr1999
Member
I think no one really was shooting for these aesthetics, maybe since stalker alpha screenshots but even then it went back to something more dialed back as far as using real life texture and the photorealism faded, since then it's been cartoony games with still nice looking graphics. It was only a matter of time someone used technology to fully delve into a photo realitic experience, like the Paris demo, that's from years ago and it captures at some parts a photo realistic experience, but it's a small room so it's very limited. The titanic demo is another example.
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Senua
Member
Matrix is real time though, this one here looks like baked environment lighting. But since its a one man indie game, it may never come to consoles anyway, who knows.
ShadowNate
Member
Yeah, I'm firmly on the let's wait for a release that people can actually play camp.
A playable demo would do.
A trailer will not. Nor any other video from the developer.
A playable demo would do.
A trailer will not. Nor any other video from the developer.
Musashipan
Member
What if ....
F.E.A.R VR with those graphics?
F.E.A.R VR with those graphics?
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Ooh, imagine a horror game that uses these techniques. Might cause actual psychological damage!
SJRB
Gold Member
Ooh, imagine a horror game that uses these techniques. Might cause actual psychological damage!
There actually is a horror indie in development right now that uses this exact body cam technique.
Mr1999
Member
Replica Assassins are traumatic enough
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Just bear in mind that the result here is the product of a whole bunch of "best of"-cases when it comes to presenting as photo-realistically as possible.
Overcast skies so the flatness of the lighting is extra convincing, tons of rigid inorganic surfaces (as per the Matrix demo, no animation), minimal vegetation, and of course the whole image is full-screen filtered and distorted for the faux-verite bodycam look.
I stress, this is not to talk down the effect, which is impressive. Just to point out its careful to avoid things that would break the illusion of reality.
Overcast skies so the flatness of the lighting is extra convincing, tons of rigid inorganic surfaces (as per the Matrix demo, no animation), minimal vegetation, and of course the whole image is full-screen filtered and distorted for the faux-verite bodycam look.
I stress, this is not to talk down the effect, which is impressive. Just to point out its careful to avoid things that would break the illusion of reality.
This. Also it will probably have a massive install size to bute.
01011001
Banned
this game is like Driveclub.
it uses a specific effect to hide the fact that the graphics underneath are basically super generic and not that impressive.
this could easily run on last gen even.
DriveClub did it by relying on rain and motion blur to hide how shit it looked, and this game does it by having fisheye distortion, a shaky cam, and body cam typical video filters.
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Gambit2483
Member
Pretty sure it would have to come with a Hazard Warning.
"Warning: This Game Could Kill You."
Id also add theres a big difference between photogrametry objects scanned in different locations bashed together and something like this where the entire scene is scanned at a real location at the same time making the baked lighting on everything unified. File size must be huge.
Yep I screen grabed that shit."Art cannot fight against interpretation."
NightmareFarm
Member
> the graphics are basically super generic and not that impressive.
>this could easily run on last gen even.
This has to be trolling or forced contrarianism. This is the most realistic game we have seen footage of so far by lightyears and looks indistinguishable from real life at a glance.
Doesn't matter what techniques are used. All games "cheat" with techniques to make their games look better. Driveclub looked nowhere near as realistic as this.
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twinspectre
Member
Wait.... wasn't free aiming first introduced in Goldeneye 64?
Buggy Loop
Member
That demo and this
But for Unrecord i think the shading and cam look is making the heavy lifting to trick out mind
Reference :
The cam footage look can hide a shitload of detail and still make it believable. We basically grew up on shit cam footage as TV feed for most of the time and our brain just kinds of accepts it.
For body cam, the lack of quality... is a quality.
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cyberheater
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I'm going to pick this up. Looks amazing.
Mr1999
Member
Those are videos though and really limited, you can turn your head and peek into a little, but the immersion goes away really fast because you know it's a video, not just porn videos though.
Myths
Member
They are way more than “good enough” for an indie studio. That’s grossly understating what they’ve managed to show us.
As for the other guy pointing out all the other nonsense, he’s coping hard with sheer disbelief in production quality even without those shaders and lighting computations.