No it doesn't look great in cutscenes, not when you have those character models...
Where'd you the get the first one? Is that available thru UE5?UE5 isn't well suited to current-gen consoles, but if you have a good PC, performance is solid, especially if you use DLSS. I've noticed stuttering in a few UE5 games, such as Silent Hill 2 and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. However, most of the UE5 games I've played don't stutter nearly as much, so I cant really complain. In Robocop Rogue City I haven't seen a single stutters.
Nanite makes a big difference in games that used it. I was blown away when I played Hellblade 2, Black Myth Wukong, or even Robocop Rogue City (AA game). Even simple ground surface is extremely detailed in these UE5 games.
Digital Foundry said Death Stranding 2 has similar fidelity to nanite, and OP in this thread even beliefs that decima looks better. These are bold claims, so I would like to see some screenshots of the ground surface in Death Stranding 2. Let's see how close the Decima engine really is to Nanite.
Thanks to the UE5 engine, even small developers can create good-looking games. Robocop had a small budget, yet I was impressed by its graphics. I didn't see a single stutter while I was playing on my 7800X3D CPU.
My comment, which you responded to, was a response to someone scoffing at Digital Foundry comparing Decima and DS2 usage of LOD bias favorably to Nanite, and the post was
I believe thats an issue with DX12. Not UE5. Every game has to compile shaders on PC.
It's a bit of both. Some of the linear levels have great lighting and because they always have the camera right up Kratos' ass you dont really see the environments and just the carefully choreographed action which is still one of the best in the industry.
Wait you are telling me that DX12 is the issue the entire time? I will nuke this shit everywhere I can then.
Fortnite used to recompile shaders every first game I'd play every day but since it switched to UE 5.6, it never did it again. There's hope, I got a massive performance upgrade with it, too.
most dx12 games only do shader caching once. they only need to do it again if you update or change your drivers. you won't usually see shader compilation screen every time you launch a game
Do you know any other multiplat engine which can give access to the same graphic tech? It's has notorious flaws but shitty not absolutely.
Alan Wake 2 doesnt use UE5
No your confused....its both. Without virtualized geometry you couldnt render that many polygons period. Its about memory managment and the other engines cant do it it. Like at all. Nanites memory managment is why its able to havd such extreme polygon counts. Try droping a full zbrush model all ovef a level in Decima and you would get .0005 fps before your computer was fried. Actually not even that you would most likely just get an out of memory message and a blue screen.
Oh OK, sorry UE5, these aren't your hazy mirrors.
I think be is referring to smeary temporal artifacts.
Just because nanite can be used to also give us small details for ground meshes doesn't mean it's "Literally impossible in decima", and again, that is not what the comparison that DF is making, and again, shows a lack of understanding of the reason for nanite. I still don't know when the narrative became "look at all the little pebbles, other engines can't do small details without nanite".
Ah yes - the ultimate proof argument - the bullet/feature lists - you either match them point for point or you're not competing ...
This is literally an open-source engine 18months ago
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Wake me up when its actually utilized in a release game with similar results. As if all the big studios would just be sitting on high fidelity solutions like this without implementing them. They have VG "tech demos" going at all major studios i assume but there clearly not ready for showtime. Meanwhile we got AA studios releaseing levels that make great use of the tech now via UE all while even tech favorite Naughty Dog showcased there recent game with blocky ass astroids in the "opening shot" 5 years later.Ah yes - the ultimate proof argument - the bullet/feature lists - you either match them point for point or you're not competing ...
But fine - Virtualized geometry (aka Nanite) 'is' available in other engines now (and even engine agnostic implementations exist), and GI has been solved to varying extents before Lumen was even announced - some solutions that give decidedly better results, whatever the argument may be with performance or not.
Frankly the actual advantages UE has are the same as in 3.x era - aka. productivity tooling - meta-human makes production easier, just like UE3 had well functioning normal-map workflows well ahead of what competition had at the time. And that's far from the only workflow advancement they have in 5.
Rendering pipeline is well - expensive and unwieldy - but that's how UE always was for the last 25 years (see my previous post). It works great for PR - but ultimately results are just - ok.
This is literally an open-source engine 18months ago
Maximizing Graphics Performance with Flexible Virtualized Geometry (Presented by VIRTUOS)
A technical walkthrough on the development of a virtualized geometry technology that can be integrated with any game engine, and an overview of the challenges faced. nThe talk explores how Virtuos achieved optimal performance with ultra...
Given UE5 results with nanite have been almost universally weak - I'd rather not.
I'm sure a tech demo could achieve graphics fidelity comparable to that of Hellblade 2 even without nanite technology, but developers of real games have much more limited polygon count budget and arnt willing to allocate much of it to the ground surface. They would rather spend it on the main characters. But please tell me that the flat ground surface in DS2 was an artistic decision!
