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[Ripclawe]

I guess they updated from July or someone at CNN money is getting lazy.

Edit: Original press release from September 15th
http://www.naceweb.org/press/display.asp?year=&prid=197

The college Class of 2004 enjoyed the benefits of a better economy as starting salary offers to many disciplines rose over 2003 levels, according to the Fall 2004 issue of Salary Survey, a report published by the National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE). The Fall issue is NACE's final salary report for the college Class of 2004; three earlier reports were issued.

"Our final report shows continued positive movement in the job market for new college graduates," says Marilyn Mackes, NACE executive director. "A number of disciplines are posting salary increases, and many are regaining ground that was lost over the past few years in their salaries."

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/21/pf/college/starting_salaries/

Most lucrative college degrees

The Class of 2004 is faring well, with a special nod to the English majors.
September 21, 2004: 2:36 PM EDT
By Deshundra Jefferson, CNN/Money staff writer



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - You worked hard to earn that degree and found a job. But how does your pay compare to that of your peers?

The class of 2004 has fared well as starting salaries for most majors surpassed their 2003 levels, according to a survey by the National Association of Colleges and Employers.

 

[Mugen]

What's information Science?

 

[way more]

Nursing is better then Political Science? And so is Marketing? Sweet God no, I can deal with nursing, but marketing?

 

[Mama Smurf]

British nurses are getting screwed, they earn like 10 grand less.

 

[Ripclawe]

Nursing is better then Political Science? And so is Marketing? Sweet God no, I can deal with nursing, but marketing?

hee, nursing is going to be the next big career since the population is aging.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

British nurses are getting screwed, they earn like 10 grand less.

You can't be serious. They better hop on the next Mayflower and head to the States where we pay people real money to keep us alive in the hospital.

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

Who the fuck are these kids coming out of school as computer engineers and making 51k? I think there's a bit of fibbing going on.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Who the fuck are these kids coming out of school as computer engineers and making 51k? I think there's a bit of fibbing going on.

Nope. That's about right.

 

[Ferrio]

Good pay, but good luck getting the job.

 

[Semjaza Azazel]

hee, nursing is going to be the next big career since the population is aging.

Plus, the people I talk to tell me there's a shortage of them right now. Would be worth checking out. Pays pretty well entry level.

 

[Wellington]

Who the fuck are these kids coming out of school as computer engineers and making 51k? I think there's a bit of fibbing going on.

A couple of my friends, actually.

:lol @ those salaries.

 

[duderon]

A couple of my friends, actually.

:lol @ those salaries.

Are you rollin in money or something?

 

[Phoenix]

What's information Science?

Many schools have a Computer Science as well as "Management of Information Systems, Computer Information Systems, etc" type of degree. This is called Information Science in some parts of the world

 

[Joe]

im dieng to get back into school.

 

[KingV]

British nurses are getting screwed, they earn like 10 grand less.

Socialized medicine at work!

 

[Mugen]

Many schools have a Computer Science as well as "Management of Information Systems, Computer Information Systems, etc" type of degree. This is called Information Science in some parts of the world

Yeah I'm taking Comp Sci right now and thinking of either going to "Software Engineering" specialist or "Information Systems" specialist. Though both of them (in my school at least) are under Computer Science faculty/program.

I was leaning on Information Systems specialist since I don't want to have 'pure' programming courses like what Software Engineering specialist would have.

nice to know... thanks man. ^_^

 

[Slo]

Those seem pretty accurrate, but a little low.

 

[Outlaw]

YAY! for computer engineering!!

 

[Slo]

Many schools have a Computer Science as well as "Management of Information Systems, Computer Information Systems, etc" type of degree. This is called Information Science in some parts of the world

It's the "I like computers but I'm not so good with the numbers" degree.

 

[Wellington]

Are you rollin in money or something?

Want some? :lol

Majored in mechanical and got a good offer.

A couple of friends graduated CIS... they do IT now. Which isn't bad, but they learned all that programming for nothing.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Plus, the people I talk to tell me there's a shortage of them right now. Would be worth checking out. Pays pretty well entry level.

Huge fuckin shortage.

As a nurse anethestist, you can pull down over $100,000 a year. Senior nurses can pull down $60,000 and probably up to 70-80. Get a masters degree and specialize; some nurses are beating out pediatricians. A ton of problems in the hospital are directly related to the shortage of nurses. If you go to the ER and wait 6+ hours for something simple, it's probably due to staffing shortages.

 

[Mugen]

It's the "I like computers but I'm not so good with the numbers" degree.

... so information science isn't programming? LOL. Though it's earning is preety good still.

 

[yoshifumi]

bachelor's degrees right?

 

[Mumbles]

Who the fuck are these kids coming out of school as computer engineers and making 51k? I think there's a bit of fibbing going on.

I made 49k upon graduating in 1999 in Electrical Engineering, and 2000 saw a pretty big jump (2001-2004 not so big for obvious reasons), so 51k average for computer engineering now is quite reasonable. Good GPA and summer internships can easily fetch you more than that, as well. However, a weak GPA (especially below 3.0) and no internships will keep you from getting hired anytime soon.

 

[MetatronM]

Hooray for History majors! One of only three to decrease in value and the BIGGEST decrease in the bunch!

Huzzah!

 

[Ghost]

yeah but...seriously...where DO history majors get jobs?

 

[SD-Ness]

What are the differences between computer engineering and computer science? One external, one internal, basically?

 

[Boogie]

Hooray for History majors! One of only three to decrease in value and the BIGGEST decrease in the bunch!

Huzzah!

IAWTP


I can see myself three years from now, standing on a street corner with a sign reading "will analyse the origins of the First World War for food"

 

[Ghost]

What are the differences between computer engineering and computer science? One external, one internal, basically?

obviously it differs according to where you study but i believe engineering is more hardware based, while science is more software based though they normally feature aspects of both.

 

[Celicar]

My girlfriend is a nursing major and she'll graduate next year.

What's stupid is that there is such a huge demand for nurses right now, but nursing schools have such a small limit on how many students they can let in each semester. Here at FSU they only let 70 in each semester.

It took my girlfriend two semesters to get in because they make a waiting list of 30 or so people from each semester who didn't get in and guarantee them a spot next semester. Apparently it is like this at a lot of universities, and many people are just going to community college to do nursing. The pay after graduating is nearly identical.

 

[goodcow]

yeah but...seriously...where DO history majors get jobs?

They become teachers or work for The History Channel.

 

[RiZ III]

You have to major in WW2 to work for the history channel.

 

[Megafoo Chavez]

history degrees dudes get all kinds of sweet jobs. I work for a lucrative game company right now. I get assigned all kinds of projects to make sure certain games are historically accurate

 

[Boogie]

history degrees dudes get all kinds of sweet jobs. I work for a lucrative game company right now. I get assigned all kinds of projects to make sure certain games are historically accurate

Now that would be cool. Not that i have a hope in hell of finding a cool job like that, of course.

 

[Manabanana]

I just sorta freaked out in my head...You know, I never thought about what I'd like to do for a living. I just know what I like to do and study and I'm doing that. Meh, I got a few years, I guess.

 

[NotMSRP]

Comp Science: focus more on the under pinnings of how computers work

Comp Eng: learning how to work on the computer

Info Sys/Sci: learn to use Word/Office/Excel/etc

 

[duderon]

Info Sys/Sci: learn to use Word/Office/Excel/etc

Excellent

 

[MetatronM]

history degrees dudes get all kinds of sweet jobs. I work for a lucrative game company right now. I get assigned all kinds of projects to make sure certain games are historically accurate

Now that would be a cool job.

History majors, as near as I can tell, either become professors, lawyers, or consultants of some sort.

 

[Eric-GCA]

Hmm, I guess jobs in Digital Animation and Game Development are included in Liberal Arts?

 

[teh_pwn]

"Comp Science: focus more on the under pinnings of how computers work

Comp Eng: learning how to work on the computer"

Not exactly.

Computer science is mostly programming.

Computer Engineering can be many things, like designing computer hardware or hardware components. Computer Engineering is just like Electrical Engineering + Computer Science until your Senior year, and then you should specialize in what you plan on doing. Obviously someone that designs processors, or someone that designs motherboard layout, or someone that cost optimizes computer hardware will specialize in different areas.

"Who the fuck are these kids coming out of school as computer engineers and making 51k? I think there's a bit of fibbing going on."

No, that's very accurate. I make over half the starting salary as a co-op student. Should the company that I work for hire me (very likely, they've hired 90% of all graduating co-ops since 1990), I expect over the average salary because I'll have a year of experience working with them, rather than a wild card n00b graduate.

 

[Phoenix]

"Comp Science: focus more on the under pinnings of how computers work

Comp Eng: learning how to work on the computer"

Not exactly.

Computer science is mostly programming.

If by programming you mean the design and study of algorithms - yes Most of my computer science courses didn't really revolve around programming as a goal, the programming was there to illustrate concepts: algorithms, operating system, database theory, automata theory, software architecture, logic, artificial intelligence, computer architecture, compiler design, etc. While some of these courses had programming in them (like operating systems revolved around actually building an operating systems) and compiler design actually involved creating your own language (and I called mine 'G') - the writing of code was more means to an end than an end in itself.

 

[Phoenix]

Now that would be a cool job.

History majors, as near as I can tell, either become professors, lawyers, or consultants of some sort.

Or government employees - you'd be surprised the number of historians working in the intelligence community.

 

[Chrono]

If by programming you mean the design and study of algorithms - yes Most of my computer science courses didn't really revolve around programming as a goal, the programming was there to illustrate concepts: algorithms, operating system, database theory, automata theory, software architecture, logic, artificial intelligence, computer architecture, compiler design, etc. While some of these courses had programming in them (like operating systems revolved around actually building an operating systems) and compiler design actually involved creating your own language (and I called mine 'G') - the writing of code was more means to an end than an end in itself.

Now that sounds REALLY cool. I had no idea that's what computer science was about.

 

[Mau_Mau]

Hmm, I guess jobs in Digital Animation and Game Development are included in Liberal Arts?

No, art majors most always never included in these types of surveys. Check out Game Developer Magazine - they print a yearly salary report.

 

[Eric-GCA]

Yeah, I saw that report, which is why I was curious if those jobs were counted in this survey, thanks for clearing that up. I recall that the average salary is about 40,000 in the Game Industry.

 

[demon]

Or government employees - you'd be surprised the number of historians working in the intelligence community.

doing what?

 

[carbonbased]

So what is a government major under? Political science, I assume?

 

[NotMSRP]

Computer Engineering wasn't like Electrical Engineering. It was a weaker version of Computer Science. The definitions may have been used differently across the country too. Computer Science here, at least as I know it, is about the conceptual and theoretical understanding of computers. While Computer Engineering is about the same topics but from a more pratical viewpoint and less conceptual and theortical. No Computer Engineering is offered here at my school, and hardware subjects are covered in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering.

 

[sc0la]

where is architecture?

 

[fart]

it's working at gamestop