bobbychalkers
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Came in counting his money in the booth is one of the top moments in hiphop
Uproxx: Vince Staples Eminem And Redman Comparison Spark Debate On Race And Aging
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Some Nobody
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The full statement is that Jay and Nas made themselves adapt while Em didn't.
I get your point but Chuck D is co fronting a Rage Against the Machine cover band and RZA hasn't made anything good in more than a decade. Killer Mike is the best he's ever been since he's started working with El-P but neither of those guys would mean anything to the average Eminem fan. Although it is important to note that both El-P and Eminem were both on that Rawkus Soundbombing II compilation from forever ago
that would be wrong though
schwabdizzle
Banned
Redman was featured a lot on the new Wu Tang album that dropped last week and he still fucking has it. Vince Staples should just stick to country.........which fucking sucks.
Well, Redman should be more highly regarded. He just doesn't get the recognition because others had a bigger impact. I would point out tho, that doesn't mean journalists couldn't write more about him like this article does. The younger generation just might not know about him and talking about him would raise his stature and have people check out his earlier stuff.
I think its disingenuous to say "em is just a white version of redman" and then claim it isn't meant as a slight because you think redman is a great mc. I mean, why would you make that comparison if you weren't trying to make a dig at his talent as an mc? So, yes you meant it as an insult. Just own that and don't try to say it wasn't meant that way when it was especially when you then go on to say Em wouldn't be as popular if he was black (which is probably true).
I think its disingenuous to say "em is just a white version of redman" and then claim it isn't meant as a slight because you think redman is a great mc. I mean, why would you make that comparison if you weren't trying to make a dig at his talent as an mc? So, yes you meant it as an insult. Just own that and don't try to say it wasn't meant that way when it was especially when you then go on to say Em wouldn't be as popular if he was black (which is probably true).
Hello? This is Hailun!
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Eminem was basically the Weird Al of hip hop. Dude was goofy and dumb and dressed up as people on his videos and made stupid jokes about "hi kids do you like primus do you want to see me shove nine inch nails through each of my eyelids?"
That level of stupid appeals to more people.
Joined G-Unit when them and Nas were beefing right after Street's Disciple, haven't heard from him since.
Which is funny in itself. Considering Eminem is the topic of discussion and you could argue that Redman was his main influence for Slim Shady, even Eminem ranks him as his number 1.
God damn.
though I wish he would stop using sirens because I literally think cops are coming up the block ever god damn time.
the_darkness
Banned
In what way has he been given "leeway"?
Check the reviews and public sentiment for MMLP2 and Recovery against his early work.
This is quite simply a false premise.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Because he's saying they have similar styles and he's not the first to do so. The article goes in to it if you read it.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I feel like any attempts Eminem has made to step outside his usual style has been met with a lot of criticism.
I loved Relapse and it really stands out as unique amongst his albums. But it seems most people hate it.
Is it just me or is this whole situation low key over analyzing Eminem? Like we all know white privilege is an issue, but Eminem completely took advantage of his whiteness to become a household name in white America, known as rap's first great white boy who rapped about crazy white people shit. It's like arguing the obvious or something.
And because of the obvious visibility that comes with that, he gets to stick around and make raps however he feels w/ no intentions of growing as an artist (presumably). Obviously he has a luxury nobody else gets.
It sucks but in art everything isn't on a scale and get valued accordingly.
And because of the obvious visibility that comes with that, he gets to stick around and make raps however he feels w/ no intentions of growing as an artist (presumably). Obviously he has a luxury nobody else gets.
It sucks but in art everything isn't on a scale and get valued accordingly.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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It's low key trying to take advantage of modern political issues for that sweet click bait.
Totally White Dude thing to do.
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Redman is Eminem's favorite rapper ever, so yeah.
So Eminem is the greatest hip-hop artist of all time?
Why do people on this board always say "if you read the article"? Doesn't the first part of my comment clearly show that I read the article when I talked about redman's legacy and statue which was talked about in the article? Em also compares to nas and az in his cadence and was heavily influenced by them as well but he didn't say "em is the white nas" because the article was trying to downplay his impact an and saying he is comparable to nas would heighten it. Maybe you should read my comment before responding instead of claiming I didn't read something I clearly read.
GuitarAtomik
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Because the article pretty clearly goes in to why that's not an insult. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just hadn't read it (or that far) rather than didn't comprehend it.
Not sure if this has been posted, but Redman gave his opinion on the freestyle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_GLkvRSis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_GLkvRSis
Ragnarok
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I don't think his main point of "If Eminem were black he wouldn't be considered top 10" is valid at all.
Lyrically Eminem is significantly better than Redman. And most rappers. Has nothing to do with him being white or black, he's just a fantastic rapper. If anything, I think Vince is diminishing Em's accomplishments simply because he's white.
I mean we're not talking about Paul Wall here.
Lyrically Eminem is significantly better than Redman. And most rappers. Has nothing to do with him being white or black, he's just a fantastic rapper. If anything, I think Vince is diminishing Em's accomplishments simply because he's white.
I mean we're not talking about Paul Wall here.
Drillary Clinton
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Where are the lies
Enter The 36 Chambers
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The kinda people who don't hold redman in high regard are not the kinda people with any kinda taste in hip hop. Nor are they someone whose opinions you should listen to on anything.
Bounceounce
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Paul Wall's verse on Drive Slow is better than most Eminem verses
Pawwww wawwwwww
sir_kevith
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I agree. Seems like of anything the article author is reaching a bit to have what Vince said support his own criticism of Em. When Vince is just a hungry up and comer and not that impressed from that perspective. He still says Em and Redman are favorites and wasn't trying to knock them in any way by the comparison.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
For a forum that went nuts over that garbage rap audio vomit mixtape known as Super Slimey I'm never surprised by hip-hop comments on GAF.
Rakim had a different take on Eminem and skin colour. Eminem is popular because he white, No doubt. Eminem will always be ridiculed as a white man doing a black art form. He isn't overrated because he's white, he's underrated.
People been getting it twisted for years. It's hard to accept a white man did rap music better than a black one. That's what fifty said too and a lot of people have issues coming to terms with that. How can you not say Eminem hasn't evolved is beyond ignorant wether you like his music now or not.
People been getting it twisted for years. It's hard to accept a white man did rap music better than a black one. That's what fifty said too and a lot of people have issues coming to terms with that. How can you not say Eminem hasn't evolved is beyond ignorant wether you like his music now or not.
I mean, yes, absolutely. This is Eminem's career, every step of the way. I can't see a black musician going diamond from repeatedly rapping about how much he hates his mom, rapping about assaulting/murdering his ex-girlfriend, repeatedly verbally assaulting successful women in other musical genres just because they're successful, humiliating the most successful black entertainer of all time, etc, all with a nasal voice and some truly awful production. He was always the teenage, Southpark-worshipping, rebellious white kid's dream product.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Redman shits on Eminem even though he's never had the same popularity
Only reason Eminem is still relevant is that he's cross over into pop music .. songs with Rihanna? That's not hip hop that pop music
Redman is real hip hop and real hip hop has died a long time ago except for the underground
Only reason Eminem is still relevant is that he's cross over into pop music .. songs with Rihanna? That's not hip hop that pop music
Redman is real hip hop and real hip hop has died a long time ago except for the underground
RockTurtle
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But wheres the hook though
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Sorry dude but you obviously haven't listened to enough Redman .. dude shits on Eminem lyrically .. maybe not as much as hungry underground Eminem but definitely modern Eminem
Take his verse on this .. straight fire
https://youtu.be/aiEODjIewUE
SlipperyMoose
Member
Not true...
And it's funny because
"am the worst thing since Elvis Presley
To do black music so selfishly
And use it to get myself wealthy
(Heyyy!) There's a concept that works"
"Not even the same league as Jay-Z
Nas, Pac, Biggie or maybe they'll name me
Somewhere down at the bottom right after AZ
or say "he ripped that Biggie verse or that Jay-Z
Yo, his verses were crazy on that Renegade beat
but I ain't never bought no whole CD of Shady
And I all I hear is pop tunes come on the rad-i-o
And they play 'em 20 times in a row daily"
And that very well may be the same reason they don't say me
when they speak on hip-hop legends which has amazed me
Cause I thought the formula was to hit mainstream
and make it big-big-big-big-b-baby"
Lol you can't even take shots at Eminem 10 plus years later down the line when he's already called himself out on that.
Catch up.
"am the worst thing since Elvis Presley
To do black music so selfishly
And use it to get myself wealthy
(Heyyy!) There's a concept that works"
"Not even the same league as Jay-Z
Nas, Pac, Biggie or maybe they'll name me
Somewhere down at the bottom right after AZ
or say "he ripped that Biggie verse or that Jay-Z
Yo, his verses were crazy on that Renegade beat
but I ain't never bought no whole CD of Shady
And I all I hear is pop tunes come on the rad-i-o
And they play 'em 20 times in a row daily"
And that very well may be the same reason they don't say me
when they speak on hip-hop legends which has amazed me
Cause I thought the formula was to hit mainstream
and make it big-big-big-big-b-baby"
Lol you can't even take shots at Eminem 10 plus years later down the line when he's already called himself out on that.
Catch up.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
All those he was featured guest .. many rappers do that for $
For Eminem he featured Rihanna
To me that is pop crossover .. which equals airplay for his single
I don't recall Redman ever featuring pop artists on any of his albums
Bounceounce
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Any compliments 50 Cent lays at Eminem's feat are irrelevant, that's like his literal savior, he's not giving an honest estimate of how Eminem's ability stacks up against his peers when you fans regurgitate nonsense like the bolded.
Especially when 50 tried to contrast Eminem with Jay, disgusting.
And what about Rakim? Why would he call Eminem the Muhammad Ali of rap if he was black? Rakim doesn't owe Eminem shit, did a track on 8 mile, meh. It ain't just that there's a considerable amount of emcees that put Eminem up there regardless of skin colour and they don't owe him shit. From KRS One to Kendrick.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Well that alone doesn't make it pop but I think Eminem has crossed over .. it's probably a combination of many things including radio play..his fans..
or maybe I'm being a bitter old man who misses 90s hip hop
Bounceounce
Member
I'm not talking about that, though I'd obviously disagree with them.
I'm talking about the absurd race focused compliment 50 Cent gave him and how irritating it is to see his white fans (not calling you white, don't know or care whether you're white or not) across the web regurgitating it (especially when the only reason they accept 50 is his association with Em) as law.
Yup. Im with you on that.