2996 is over 28 times the number of people that died in that building. Let that sink in..
105 is about 5 times the number of people that died in Manchester. Let that sink in.
Your are just an idealist!
Amidst information and misinformation overflow, what is an actual and pragmatic solution to end this conflict?
I mean, purely based on numbers the repercussion for killing 105 civilians as part of collateral damage, in all likelihood, will be far less than the Manchester bombing. Disenfranchisement of muslim youths will follow in UK and in war torn zones in the middle east, providing fodder for ISIL recruitment. "Hate" is what these fuckers rely on and there is plenty of resentment and hate to go around which will just perpetuate the current situation.
2996 is over 28 times the number of people that died in that building. Let that sink in.
It's harmful, pointless, and entirely incorrect to call the United States the "terrorists" here. That's exactly what ISIS wants to legitimize themselves. You only serve to help ISIS when you ignore the nuance and make stupid statements.
You killed two but how many more did you create?
Pardon me for not advocating bombing buildings without knowing what's in them.
Fuck me, this churns my stomach. If we need to take military action, we need boots on the ground. Enough with the fucking bombs. There's no precision, far too much collateral damage and innocents are losing their lives over a war they have no business in.
Both sides are not the same, but irresponsible decisions also take lives by the hundreds.Yes, the actual terrorists that took over their homes and packed them with explosives are not the terrorists. They would have been fine huddled in that corner for the rest of their lives, if it wasn't for the US!
No, Europe pays for US' crimes.
Bad luck. Terrible but unforseen therefore forgivable and no it is not negligence.
Civilians will die with boots on the ground too. It's either pacifism or civilian deaths.
Iraq has been a warzone for over a decade. These people have been under ISIS rule for years, who uses human shields. But this is what really steams them enough to sign up I guess.
Sounds like they used a weapon designed to take out the snipers in a smaller section of the building that hit some ordinance/IEDs stored in the building and caused a larger explosion.
Don't know how they could have known there was a lot of ordinance in the building before delivering the strike called by the Iraqi army. Tragic loss of life nevertheless.
Not in the same amount, at all.
Civilians casualties are unavailable in modern conflict, but you can make them in the hundreds or in the hundreds of thousands. What killed most civilians in the Syrian civil war ? Airstrike. What killed most civilians in the second iraq war? Air strike.
Every time a terrorist attack happens and kills tens of people, we hear people saying things like:
"These people don't care about their actions, their only concern is to win the war they are waging and killing innocents is justified to them if it means victory"
But, how is this any different?
The Manchester bomber killed women and children, but....
Trump's FIRST green lit (super master top secret sneak attack) military operation ended up with dead women and children.
A little while after that allied forces did two bombing runs in a week in Syria, that killed hundreds of innocents each time......and this was JUST before the chemical weapons attack..
Now this?
We're not even half way through the year yet.
Is difference in intent all it takes for the world to dismiss thousands of dead civilians in the middle east at allied hands?
"These people don't care about their actions, their only concern is to win the war they are waging and killing innocents is justified to them if it means victory"
Sounds familiar.....
Maybe we don't LIKE killing innocents, but we definitely do like pretending that it matters to anything except our ability to sleep at night.
The report specifically says that there are no sings of the civilians being held hostages or that they were forced into the building. They lived there and the explosives were put into the ground floor for storage.
The civilians had gathered in the lower floors of the building after being expelled from their homes by IS fighters
Things most people responding to this thread with anger missed:
- Requested by the Iraq Security Services
- The U.S Bomber pilots cannot discern what is inside of the building, that's the crew who's requesting the strike's job.
- The U.S. picked a weapon to MINIMIZE collateral damage
- The U.S. was unaware that there were any civilians in the building
- The weapon the U.S. fired did not kill the civilians; it was the explosives ISIS had in the building, set off by the U.S. weapon.
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What do you propose?
You and me both since it would be a billion times more productive use of that budget. And can easily save more actual lives in the long run. But fuck all that right? We're a war nation. We thrive and profit off of this shit like no other nation on Earth.I'd rather the U.S. drastically cut the military budget and declare a War on Cancer. Give that money to science.
Don't we have a badass military in the US that should be taking these assholes down on foot?
I don't have a solution nor am I in the position to come up with one. Repeating the same tactic isn't working though no matter how much they try to say otherwise.
Things most people responding to this thread with anger missed:
- Requested by the Iraq Security Services
- The U.S. picked a weapon to MINIMIZE collateral damage
- The U.S. was unaware that there were any civilians in the building
- The weapon the U.S. fired did not kill the civilians; it was the explosives ISIS had in the building, set off by the U.S. weapon.
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Don't we have a badass military in the US that should be taking these assholes down on foot?
Ok buddy, go ahead and grab your rifle. I'll be right behind you while you charge that highly defensible position manned by snipers. We might lose 4, 5, maybe even 10 guys but hey, we'll get those snipers!
Sounds stupid right? Because it is. You don't risk your own soldiers lives when you have the means to destroy the enemy with the only cost being munitions. Real-life isn't Call of Duty, they aren't doing 360 no scopes over there. Besides, it was the Iraqi army that called for the air strike, not U.S. troops.
Couple hundred, so even trade from a military contractor point of viewYou killed two but how many more did you create?
Thank god some of you have no say in military matters, nothing would ever get accomplished against ISIS if you did.
Couple hundred, so even trade from a military contractor point of view