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Valve's fake, rigged, waste of time Progress Quest troll Portal 2 ARG

Chavelo

Member
dock said:
Yes, I'm very clear on the situation.

/wants to get more potatoes
/buys Audiosurf
/plays special track
/thinks audiosurf is neat
/starts playing other songs
/plays for hours

okwiththis.png
 

Baha

Member
BY2K said:
There is seriously a Potato I can't get unless I have Razer hardware.

Fuck that.

I'm starting to think that those games with 2 new screens might be there to help people get whatever the final needed number of potatoes is by offering extras. I might have to borrow my brother's razr mouse if that isn't the case though >.>
 

Baha

Member
Chavelo said:
/wants to get more potatoes
/buys Audiosurf
/plays special track
/thinks audiosurf is neat
/starts playing other songs
/plays for hours

okwiththis.png

AudioSurf is fucking awesome, I hope more people play it even after this ARG.
 

Salsa

Member
Baha said:
I'm starting to think that those games with 2 new screens might be there to help people get whatever the final needed number of potatoes is by offering extras. I might have to borrow my brother's razr mouse if that isn't the case though >.>

Im guessing the community will get around it through savefile or whatever
 

syoaran

Member
dock said:
A promise of lots of money is a type of payment. It's good for the developers, but it's a lot like a sponsored tattoo.

I'm fairly sure this was a mutual decision after brainstorming. Valve could have used more successful IP's to cross promote Portal2 with, and they already have a massive real world advertising push (London is literally covered in Portal 2 billboards/signs/codes all over the place now). They certainly did not have to weave their latest ARG within these indie games.

Much like the App store, Valve have to prove that they can keep long term sales going and products relevant on Steam, and this pack has a lot more weight behind it than others (and hopefully, sold a lot more because of it)

I guess its a difference of opinion. They get some awesome new content, plus lots of sales and a Valve seal of approval (no-one who knows the company would imagine allowing their licence to be used in a product they thought was bad) for very little work. It's win win for everyone. Sounds like you disprove of cross-promotion advertising in general, which I don't really understand. But, free world and all that.
 

Stallion Free

Cock Encumbered
syoaran said:
I doubt Valve paid them to do it, it was likely a cross promotion - Valve help develop assets for these games and push the promotion of the Potato pack as far as they can, helps generate huge sales for the developers, which generating huge word of mouth hype for Portal2 in advance of release, encouraging pre-orders.
There was a ridiculous amount of effort put into The Ball bonus content, I doubt Valve got them to do it just to sell more copies of the game.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
I'll trade a Copy of Just Cause 2 for 1 or more of the following:


The Ball
Amnesia
1 2 3 kick it

Mainly want The Ball
 

dock

Member
syoaran said:
I guess its a difference of opinion. They get some awesome new content, plus lots of sales and a Valve seal of approval (no-one who knows the company would imagine allowing their licence to be used in a product they thought was bad) for very little work. It's win win for everyone. Sounds like you disprove of cross-promotion advertising in general, which I don't really understand. But, free world and all that.
I'm not against cross-promotion, it's just seldom you see an initiative this aggressive. It's great that Valve are a fondly loved company and have done great things with Steam, and certainly everyone involved will benefit greatly from the promotion.

That's okay though, I think it is only me that finds this a little weird. I wonder whether I'd have to be more of a fan of Valve games or Portal references to appreciate their campaign fully.
 

syoaran

Member
Stallion Free said:
There was a ridiculous amount of effort put into The Ball bonus content, I doubt Valve got them to do it just to sell more copies of the game.

That's not what I'm saying. They didn't "get" them to do anything, they worked together. The Ball's developer likely wanted to product additional content to spur sales, and the portal cover was part of the cross promotion. Valve likely produced the assets, and left the level design and implementation to the developer. This happens with a lot of cross-promotion.
 

dock

Member
Stallion Free said:
Well uh, that is who this is made for so yes.
So, if Call of Duty references/adverts started appearing in your games, this is also cool so long as there's new content? What about Sonic references? Toyota references? Mountain Dew references?

I do think it's only me that finds this all a bit strange, and I admit that I tend to find aggressive marketing offputting, especially when it starts to exploit irregular channels and encourages people to act like conduits.
 
Holy mother of fuck, audio surf is incredibly awesome, and the portal 2 song is just nuts!

If you have the Speed Racer OST by Michael Giacchino, play Casa Cristo and Reboot. Its like fucking F-Zero with music!

Chavelo said:
/wants to get more potatoes
/buys Audiosurf
/plays special track
/thinks audiosurf is neat
/starts playing other songs
/plays for hours

okwiththis.png

FUCKING THIS!
 
Can someone explain the potatoe thing, played the track in audiosurf and played the beat trip beat level and it seem i didnt get nothing?

Its not like the treasure hunt were I could know how many achievments I had, in the the store in steam I see nothing.
 

epmode

Member
SpacePirate Ridley said:
Can someone explain the potatoe thing, played the track in audiosurf and played the beat trip beat level and it seem i didnt get nothing?

Its not like the treasure hunt were I could know how many achievments I had, in the the store in steam I see nothing.
You have to get these before you can get the potatos from the brand new content.
 

Stallion Free

Cock Encumbered
dock said:
So, if Call of Duty references/adverts started appearing in your games, this is also cool so long as there's new content? What about Sonic references? Toyota references? Mountain Dew references?

I do think it's only me that finds this all a bit strange, and I admit that I tend to find aggressive marketing offputting, especially when it starts to exploit irregular channels and encourages people to act like conduits.
Eh, you act like the advertising is blatant. If someone went into The Ball having no clue what Portal was, they would still have no clue afterwards.
 

Twig

Banned
dock said:
So, if Call of Duty references/adverts started appearing in your games, this is also cool so long as there's new content? What about Sonic references? Toyota references? Mountain Dew references?

I do think it's only me that finds this all a bit strange, and I admit that I tend to find aggressive marketing offputting, especially when it starts to exploit irregular channels and encourages people to act like conduits.
The problem with your ridiculous hypotheticals is that the developers have to approve of whatever marketing campaign comes their way. Especially in the case of indie developers, where they aren't at the whim of some overlord publisher.

So as long as they approve, who are you to say it's wrong?

I would wager that every single one of the developers involved in this Potato Pack happens to simultaneously love Valve and Portal.
 

epmode

Member
SpacePirate Ridley said:
Ahhh, you need to get all the games.
No, you just need first get the appropriate potato from the list I linked before you can get the new potato for the same game. There's no need to get each and every one of the old ones before working on a new one.
 

Zomba13

Member
Got the Killing Floor audio transmission from the Manolantern. 'The farthest planet from the sun is the maple leaf'
 

dock

Member
Stallion Free said:
Eh, you act like the advertising is blatant. If someone went into The Ball having no clue what Portal was, they would still have no clue afterwards.
You're right, I think I'm just overexposed to the eager fans that shout about this type of thing. It's certainly the most palatable means of cross-promotion from everyone's point of view.
 
dock said:
So, if Call of Duty references/adverts started appearing in your games, this is also cool so long as there's new content? What about Sonic references? Toyota references? Mountain Dew references?

I do think it's only me that finds this all a bit strange, and I admit that I tend to find aggressive marketing offputting, especially when it starts to exploit irregular channels and encourages people to act like conduits.

The difference is that literally everyone loves Portal.
 

syoaran

Member
dock said:
So, if Call of Duty references/adverts started appearing in your games, this is also cool so long as there's new content? What about Sonic references? Toyota references? Mountain Dew references?

I do think it's only me that finds this all a bit strange, and I admit that I tend to find aggressive marketing offputting, especially when it starts to exploit irregular channels and encourages people to act like conduits.


Indie developers want to sell more into the people that are not tempted by price (because most of these items have already appeared in other packs/sales), but by desire. Tagging yourself with Portal 2 helps your product appeal to those who were not interested before. I personally don't see this to be any different than the Hats from TF2. I play the game a lot, and there are ton's of hats/weapons from different pre-order bonuses appear in my game. It's quite aggressive and in my face, but it doesn't affect me all that much when I play the game.

If your not a fan of the content, then I can see you displeasure. But the large majority of Steam users are Valve fans, so the backlash is certainly in the minority. I do not have access to any sales data to back this up, but even using GAF to read how this is working, it certainly has had its desired effect to boost sales to long time Steam users, but first time buyers.

The items you gave make 0 sense in the current context, but on a larger scale I understand your concern. But all of those have already occurred in different ways as product placement. Mountain Dew cross promoted with Halo3 I believe, and made 0 sense. Sonic cross referenced with Nintendo in the Olympic games, to huge success. No-one really complained, despite the fact that it was a very aggressive push to instil character names and traits into the mind of the young demographic. Toyota exist in racing games, which makes sense in context, and helps the games have a foothold in realism.

Ninja edit (and keeping relevant to the OP): Finally got round to my first potato in audosurf - got told by Glados the first time I tried to open my MP3 folder that "my tastes were good, but old fashioned" and proceeded to play the Still Alive remix instead. Curse you!!
 
I installed and booted up Audiosurf for the first time the other day for the potato after buying it when it was on sale for $2.50 once (would have played it sooner, but switching to Windows 7 partition is annoying.)

Great game. Vortal Combat from the Orange Box OST is a great track already included, and playing the tracks from Tron: Legacy has been a lot of fun as well.

I did get the top score on the easy mono for the track needed for the first potato (the full-length song) before realizing that I needed to do that with the Ninja Mono. Got dethroned a few hours later though.
 

Stallion Free

Cock Encumbered
dock said:
You're right, I think I'm just overexposed to the eager fans that shout about this type of thing. It's certainly the most palatable means of cross-promotion from everyone's point of view.
Yes, and you come off like a bitter/jealous Indie dev.
 

Nabs

Member
epmode said:
Where are the new Meat Boy levels?
Super Meat World (the one before the first world)

I don't even think you can beat 'em (I've only tried the first two) but they are pretty interesting.
 

epmode

Member
Nabs said:
Super Meat World (the one before the first world)
Are you talking about the world where the first level is a smallish 8-bit level with two sawblades? That's been around for a few days at least.

edit: Oh, I guess you mean the individual levels, not any of the map packs. I saw an impossible level with invisible blocks (which I only noticed because of the spraying blood from my corpse splashed against them).
 

syoaran

Member
SpacePirate Ridley said:
Ahhh, you need to get all the games. Fuck that sir.

What do they give you as a price this time if you find all the potatoes?

You dont need to own every game. Audiosurf is easy, just download the Icy Murderous I.mp3 from one of the hundreds of mirrors out there, play it in game and win the gold medal, then put the password in when it asks (the one it shows on the wiki), then you'll get a complete message. After its processed, check your community page and you should have it. Just did it about 5mins ago, only own Audiosurf and Super Meat Boy out of those games.
 

Servizio

I don't really need a tag, but I figured I'd get one to make people jealous. Is it working?
Do you get another potato for playing the new Amnesia content?

Does the new Amnesia content spoil the original Amnesia campaign in any way? I haven't finished the first one yet.
 

dock

Member
Stallion Free said:
Yes, and you come off like a bitter/jealous Indie dev.
Really? That's certainly a shame, and it's not true. I'm trying to open up the topic for discussion, I'm not just saying that it's a bad thing. I find it more fascinating than negative.

I'm sorry if my position as a developer precludes my involvement in this sort of discussion.

My own relationship with viral marketing and publicity initiatives is something I'm trying to get a stronger feel for, and generally recognising the breadth of opportunity within alternative marketing. However, from some of my experiences and those from others, I'm curious to the point at which it becomes a bit too much.

For example, I find it a bit much that I haven't been able to shop at Amazon for the last few months without the kindle advert being in front of me all the time. I also find leveraging charity to be an incredibly positive but also slightly curious way of driving products forward.

I apologise if I sound as I though I'm raining on anyone's parade. Your response shows that you're thoroughly happy to enjoy valve's drive, especially when participation is relatively inexpensive and it's a brand you're keen on.
 
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