Variety: YouTube Cancels PewDiePie Show, Pulls Channel from Premium Ad Program

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Ray Wonder said:
Haha, is this an attempt to class shame based on the privilege of being able to pay someone a few bucks to make a video? There was a dude in a Jesus costume willing to say "Hitler did nothing wrong"
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Just to remark, pewds had nothing to do with the "Hitler did nothing wrong" video, someone else paid for it and he saw that.

He paid for the JackScepticEye one.
 
Ray Wonder said:
Haha, is this an attempt to class shame based on the privilege of being able to pay someone a few bucks to make a video? There was a dude in a Jesus costume willing to say "Hitler did nothing wrong"
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What is weird about that one is that Pewdiepie didn't request that one. He requested something else (let me see if I can dig it up) that was less offensive. When he saw he was banned, he was wondering if it was his fault, but then he stumbled on the "Hilter did nothing wrong" video that someone else had requested, which probably explained the ban.

EDIT: Beaten.
 
StoOgE said:
Context of paying two guys to hole a "death to jews" sign doesn't matter to most people.

Unless you want to see my hilarious youtube videos where I pay people to hold up offensive signs with hate-speech targeted at minority groups for a half-hour and feign shock that people did exactly what I paid them to do.
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(I think he was agreeing with you)
 
still dont get the context matters bs I mean just because it didnt offend him doesnt mean other people were offended by it, he is a moron to do it in the first place and if there is an outcry so fucking be it
 
ModestMouseTrap said:
Yes, media can contribute on SOME level. I'm not saying we all live in a vacuum. What I AM saying is that I think you'd be sorely mistaken to think that a single show creates the entirety of somebody's reality.

The key word is ENTIRETY. You have to acknowledge that human interaction and the people who raise and teach us are one of the largest determining factors in our world view.

You are ignoring all the other myriads of factors that make up a humans views. Things like, personal experiences, upbringing, education, social groups, religious beliefs.

All of these things create and contribute to a person's world view.

The TV and internet are not the all controlling all knowing god of human influence and behavior. Just a facet and reflection of current human behavior.

Edit: what I'm getting at is people CHOOSE their media based on their beliefs typically.
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No one is ignoring the myriad in other factors that shapes people's beliefs. It's that they're irrelevant in terms of conversations of media's influence on people, no different than it would be if someone was bringing up Game B's faults as a way to derail a very specific conversation about why Game A is bad.

Of course there are numerous different factors that result in the ethical make-up of any one individual human being. Just about no one argues against this (Indeed, it tends to be a strawman. Saying South Park influenced a subset of a generation to entertain alt-right/intellectually dishonest centrism that is wreaking political havoc today suddenly equals "Oh, so you think South Park creates racists?!"). But even if we recognize this as true, this doesn't get media off the hook.

If we know for certain that media has an influence on people, we should be asking hard questions about whether or not what we consume and how we consume it is the best for us, and if not, how do we improve that? Instead, the moment you ask these kinds of macro questions, people get defensive and revert the subject to that of a micro scale to make an argument ad absurdum, to focus specifically on a single or few works and then suggest people are saying they possess a ridiculous level of influence that they were never actually arguing about in the first place.

South Park doesn't magically make racists. However, it has probably added to the noise of all of the racism present in media and subsequently society in a notable way considering its popularity and standing as one of this generation's pillars of pop culture. Can we at least say that?
 
JK-Money said:
still dont get the context matters bs I mean just because it didnt offend him doesnt mean other people were offended by it, he is a moron to do it in the first place and if there is an outcry so fucking be it
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What did the PewDiePie fiverr video contain?
 
JK-Money said:
still dont get the context matters bs I mean just because it didnt offend him doesnt mean other people were offended by it, he is a moron to do it in the first place and if there is an outcry so fucking be it
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It makes me wonder how many people were offended by the out of context narrative, and how many people were genuinely offended by the whole context. Versus how many people were effected by the decisions made by Disney and YouTube to cancel his show because of the the outrage that occurred. Who all was paid, and would be getting paid for this show, who is out of a job from this. It's a dangerous tightrope to walk.
 
janoDX said:
Because watch the video to understand.
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There is nothing here to understand.

StoOgE said:
Context of paying two guys to hole a "death to jews" sign doesn't matter to most people.

Unless you want to see my hilarious youtube videos where I pay people to hold up offensive signs with hate-speech targeted at minority groups for a half-hour and feign shock that people did exactly what I paid them to do.
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Right?

Its like I am going crazy here.
 
Ray Wonder said:
It makes me wonder how many people were offended by the out of context narrative, and how many people were genuinely offended by the whole context. Versus how many people were effected by the decisions made by Disney and YouTube to cancel his show because of the the outrage that occurred. Who all was paid, and would be getting paid for this show, who is out of a job from this. It's a dangerous tightrope to walk.
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That's a good question, who is out of a job here? As far as I can tell everyone's job still exists. PewDiePie is still making videos for Youtube, he posted one earlier today, already up to 2 million views.
 
Madame M said:
That's a good question, who is out of a job here? As far as I can tell everyone's job still exists. PewDiePie is still making videos for Youtube, he posted one earlier today, already up to 2 million views.
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Yeah you're right, the face of the biggest YouTube channel isn't out of a job.

There's a lot of people involved in making a show like Scare PewDiePie.

Ethan from H3H3 said in his video, he's out of luck, because he was in one of the newly cancelled episodes. Sucks. He's also Jewish, which only matters because of the subject at hand.
 
KZXcellent said:
Yeah he does take a hit. That said, him being dropped by his network, Maker Studios shouldn't hurt his revenue I don't think. I'm with a network on YouTube and depending on the contract they can take a sizeable cut. For example, my network makes 40% of my earnings so maybe he will end up closing the gap while he's a free agent.

YouTube Red being pulled obviously hurts since they were funding everything and him getting pulled from the Premium Ad Program does as well. To be fair though, the ad program he was in is specifically for "Family Friendly" content and Pewdiepie has NEVER been family friendly so I think this is a well deserved thing.

In the end I don't see him losing in this. He's once again in the news cycle, many of the big networks are foaming at the mouth to get the #1 YouTube Channel under their network and his viewerbase isn't going anywhere. He's gonna be fine if not better. This isn't like the Mel Gibson situation where the dude does monstrous things that can't be defended. Pewdiepie isn't gonna need to talk about the mistakes he made with these videos years later while people still hate him.
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Yeah this seems like a pretty solid take on the situation.
 
janoDX said:
Because watch the video to understand.
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I did and what he did and paid people to do still isnt right thats my opinion and it doesnt matter, if they held up a sign death to all black people, death to all muslim, death to all white people etc it doesnt matter he still is a dumbass to do it none of this "oh but he is a comedian so it shouldnt matter he is trying to be funny"

People online, that make a lot of money have millions of people watching their videos need to use their heads and make smart decisions he clearly is an idiot for doing it regardless of his intent. He is the high standard he will be held at a higher standard.
 
JK-Money said:
still dont get the context matters bs I mean just because it didnt offend him doesnt mean other people were offended by it, he is a moron to do it in the first place and if there is an outcry so fucking be it
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Yeah and like, how about the context of the world around us?
 
Ray Wonder said:
Yeah you're right, the face of the biggest YouTube channel isn't out of a job.

There's a lot of people involved in making a show like Scare PewDiePie.

Ethan from H3H3 said in his video, he's out of luck, because he was in one of the newly cancelled episodes. Sucks. He's also Jewish, which only matters because of the subject at hand.
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I've never heard of Scare PewDiePie before but it sounds like a silly spinoff of an already silly youtube schtick.

What you're describing kind of reminds me of the Cosby scandal, yeah it kind of sucks that his costars won't be getting as many royalty checks because of Cosby's behavior but dems the breaks when shit hits the fan.
 
JK-Money said:
I did and what he did and paid people to do still isnt right thats my opinion and it doesnt matter, if they held up a sign death to all black people, death to all muslim, death to all white people etc it doesnt matter he still is a dumbass to do it none of this "oh but he is a comedian so it shouldnt matter he is trying to be funny"

People online, that make a lot of money have millions of people watching their videos need to use their heads and make smart decisions he clearly is an idiot for doing it regardless of his intent. He is the high standard he will be held at a higher standard.
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Lemme ask you this, if they were evil Nazi characters playing a part, holding a sign saying "Death to all Jews" to which it cuts to someone saying that they don't agree with that sign, and they want to stop the Nazis.. would context matter then? Or still just some bs to see the whole story?

Madame M said:
I've never heard of Scare PewDiePie before but it sounds like a silly spinoff of an already silly youtube schtick.

What you're describing kind of reminds me of the Cosby scandal, yeah it kind of sucks that his costars won't be getting as many royalty checks because of Cosby's behavior but dems the breaks when shit hits the fan.
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It's a well funded YouTube Red show with a team of people working on it. The question is not, "do the people that work around this monster deserve to be out of a job?" It is instead, "Is this person actually a monster, and did these people get screwed out of a job because of inflated and misled outrage?"
 
Alienfan said:
Eh, Jon Tron is pure evil. Pewdiepie has done some questionable shit, but at least you get the sense it comes from ignorance/privilege rather than hatred. He'll hopefully clean up his act and apologize
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So I did some reading on what JonTron has done that is so evil:

https://theloudestsongs.tumblr.com/post/108809683254/why-jontron-can-go-fuck-himself

Yeah, a few dickish comments here and there makes this person literally Satan incarnate. :P

The hyperbole lately...
 
Ray Wonder said:
It's a well funded YouTube Red show with a team of people working on it. The question is not, "do the people that work around this monster deserve to be out of a job?" It is instead, "Is this person actually a monster, and did these people get screwed out of a job because of inflated and misled outrage?"
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I guess the answer to that question depends whether they got paid for the season they produced that got canceled. Hopefully they did.
 
depths20XX said:
Could we leave the JonTron shit out of this thread? Guy has said some dumb shit but I don't see what it has to do with any of this.
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Because some random poster decided these two situations were exactly the same 'Alt-Left is outta control!' thing. I agree with you, that Jontron BS has nothing to do with this.
 
Nepenthe said:
No one is ignoring the myriad in other factors that shapes people's beliefs. It's that they're irrelevant in terms of conversations of media's influence on people, no different than it would be if someone was bringing up Game B's faults as a way to derail a very specific conversation about why Game A is bad.

Of course there are numerous different factors that result in the ethical make-up of any one individual human being. Just about no one argues against this (Indeed, it tends to be a strawman. Saying South Park influenced a subset of a generation to entertain alt-right/intellectually dishonest centrism that is wreaking political havoc today suddenly equals "Oh, so you think South Park creates racists?!"). But even if we recognize this as true, this doesn't get media off the hook.

If we know for certain that media has an influence on people, we should be asking hard questions about whether or not what we consume and how we consume it is the best for us, and if not, how do we improve that? Instead, the moment you ask these kinds of macro questions, people get defensive and revert the subject to that of a micro scale to make an argument ad absurdum, to focus specifically on a single or few works and then suggest people are saying they possess a ridiculous level of influence that they were never actually arguing about in the first place.

South Park doesn't magically make racists. However, it has probably added to the noise of all of the racism present in media and subsequently society in a notable way considering its popularity and standing as one of this generation's pillars of pop culture. Can we at least say that?
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Sure, I can agree with much of what you are saying.

Perhaps we are having different conversations at once though. My issue is the degree in which we put responsibility upon the content creators to watch after the beliefs and interpretations of that content by individuals within society at large.

But your claim that South Parks existence is what has created this mess in politics with the alt right takes a huge logical leap. You are again putting the cart before the horse. There are numerous studies on media that suggest people consume and choose their media based on their beliefs.

At what point is enough? When does the responsibility of parents and their communities come into play. As an artist and content creator myself I have a pretty hardline stance on freedom of speech and censorship.

And you can talk about creators making responsible choices, but it's not really a choice anymore if there are all sorts of forms of coercion whether they be monitary, threats of violence, or direct censorship.

Does that mean that content like South Park and similarly dark or boundary pushing shows don't have a right to exist? I guess I am asking; what is the solution in your mind? This dialogue has to be for some purpose or towards some means I'd imagine.
 
I saw Louis CK at perform last week and it was more offensive than PewDiePie's video. This outrage is kind of insane, especially given the context.
 
ant_ said:
I saw Louis CK at perform last week and it was more offensive than PewDiePie's video. This outrage is kind of insane, especially given the context.
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Louis CK was probably funny though. He might have even had a point to his offensive comments. I don't know. I wasn't there. But usually Louis CK has somewhere he is going with the shock in his jokes. Also usually they are actual jokes with a punchline.

Also were there millions of kids at the Louis CK show last night? I love Louis CK but I doubt Disney would want their name associated with his stand-up specials.

PdP can say whatever he wants. I'm all for that. Speech should always remain free. But when you work for a company, words have consequence. If I made a racist joke at my place or work, I would be fired on the spot.

Louis CK knows that he can't go on Ellen and make anti-semetic jokes. The sponsors would pull out. Yet he can go pretty raw in an HBO special or an 18+ club setting. Different audience.

I may have strayed from the point...
 
Regardless of whether he believes it or if its just a joke, its definitely the wrong material to even talk about when you are ostensibly an advertising vehicle. No company wants to be associated with that kind of joke unexpectedly.
 
ModestMouseTrap said:
Sure, I can agree with much of what you are saying.

Perhaps we are having different conversations at once though. My issue is the degree in which we put responsibility upon the content creators to watch after the beliefs and interpretations of that content by individuals within society at large.

But your claim that South Parks existence is what has created this mess in politics with the alt right takes a huge logical leap. You are again putting the cart before the horse. There are numerous studies on media that suggest people consume and choose their media based on their beliefs.

At what point is enough? When does the responsibility of parents and their communities come into play. As an artist and content creator myself I have a pretty hardline stance on freedom of speech and censorship.

And you can talk about creators making responsible choices, but it's not really a choice anymore if there are all sorts of forms of coercion whether they be monitary, threats of violence, or direct censorship.

Does that mean that content like South Park and similarly dark or boundary pushing shows don't have a right to exist? I guess I am asking; what is the solution in your mind? This dialogue has to be for some purpose or towards some means I'd imagine.
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Media also influences formative beliefs though. To not recognize this is to miss the point that media exists within a communicative feedback loop with its audience. If I watch Steven Universe or something, it's probably in part because I like watching cartoons, which is a habit I picked up by watching animated media. However, my sister doesn't care for cartoons, and we lived in the same house with the same media environment wherein animation flowed freely. As far as I know in my limited Psych 101 knowledge, you can't actively force or teach people to genuinely hold subjective preferences for different kinds of works, which further undermines the "this started with the parents!" line of reasoning in terms of people's relationship specifically with media.

And you're free to create whatever you want, but you don't get the luxury of creating in an environment without risk of consequence, at least if you don't want your work to be seen by other people. Generally, what's happening to PDP isn't any infringement on his rights as a creative or a person; to suggest that it is undermines Disney's free speech to decide whether or not to continue hosting his content, as well as the free speech of the public to call him on his shit. Everyone has a right to not support a work, to not put money into something, to ultimately put an artist out of work. An artist isn't owed success or a private platform just because they create. Creation is trivial. Anyone can make something. The hustle of improving and sustaining an audience is what matters, and if you can't maintain that hustle, then oh well. You're a weaksauce artist.

People also do criticize and police what their children watch. The irony though is that this is commonly construed as SJW whining despite also being free expression. I imagine part of the backlash that caused Disney to drop PDP in the first place was from parents who were made aware of it through initial stories and decided to complain online. However, the very act of criticizing something for being offensive to minorities in a way that is ignorant or mean-spirited, or of media hosting messages that- honestly- no one should be entertain as being worth merit, especially children, is immediately rendered into hostility against all offensive media and a "free speech" argument.

Also, what do you mean "what is the solution?" Honestly, the solution for these kinds of things is for artistic integrity white knights to get out of the way and let the relationship between artist and public play out naturally like it has for thousands of years. The exchange of criticism and response, an environment where outdated artists flame out and make way for new artists to better cater to new works, new forms of expressions, and an increasingly inclusive environment is awesome. The art world shifts, evolves, and keeps surprising us.

This can't actually happen if every time some dumbfuck Let's Player makes a video with anti-Semetic messages plastered everywhere (even if it's in "context") and thus gets dropped from his sponsor as is their right to do, the public isn't allowed to use their powers of free speech to let them know the Let's Player fucked up.
 
BernardoOne said:
He didn't say that though, so i'm not seeing what you're trying to say here.
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He paid a group of guys across the world, who possibly didn't know English well enough to know what it meant, to hold up a huge "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG" sign. Honestly that's worse than just blurting it out.
 
Just goes to show how fragile these YouTube "careers" are. One misguided step and it all comes down like a house of cards.

With that said, he deserves everything that's coming his way based on what I've read about this.
 
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Mahonay said:
I'm an idiot I guess. I was watching this when it first happened and that's what I remembered.

I'll see myself out.
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He did pay for the "Death to jews" sign. It was to test if the people on fiverr will do anything you pay for. The jesus one was someone else. Yes, the world is dumb.
 
It's one thing to think that what pewdiepie did was stupid even after learning the "context", but it's another to have completely no idea what actually happened and act like you know what you're talking about, as is happening in this thread.
 
KZXcellent said:
He did pay for the "Death to jews" sign. It was to test if the people on fiverr will do anything you pay for.
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OK so that's still an insanely shitty thing to do for someone millions of kids watch.
RevolverRoden said:
It's one thing to think that what pewdiepie did was stupid even after learning the "context", but it's another to have completely no idea what actually happened and act like you know what you're talking about, as is happening in this thread.
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Yes that's my bad. I was being a dumb ass.
 
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