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[Xiaoki]

I read between the lines. And you know, we all have our posting habits.

Sony is financially, in a delicate time? They will throw everything and the kitchen sink, hell with making money.

MS is financially great? They are gonna give us a cheap DVR box for casuals.

How does that shit add up?

Yeah, its not like theres precedent for these things.

Cheap Xbox had to be recalled due to faulty power cables.

Cheap Xbox 360 cost MS billions due to RRoD.

PS2 had everything thrown in no matter the cost.

PS3 had everything thrown in no matter the cost.

I mean really, how does this shit add up?

 

[B.O.O.M]

Leaked pics of Sony products almost always come from manufacturing lines of the final product, yes?

PS3 slim and super slim right?

THe superslim ones came from some official documentation related to product registration in some country iirc

 

[beast786]

Yeah, because a $700-$800 console would sell gangbusters right?

If the value is in it. It does not have to be the only bundle. Just a premium with OR.

Many believe that OR will be a major break through in gaming. So if it holds and instead of buying separately, you can save money with a bundle.

 

[meta4]

all signs point to a new controller. one that has a touch pad of some kind and might even 'break' apart. can't wait to see it.



this is essentially what I was saying, but didn't expand enough in my post. sony clearly had the more visually stunning titles and I don't expect that to change next gen.

There are some patents by Sony recently in which the controller essentially becomes hard/soft, hot/ cold depending on the situation in the game - such as walking on concrete, sand etc.. The controller can essentially become loose and flexible at certain moments in the game. They are saying this will be the evolution of the rumble feature.

Not sure how I feel about it though. I can see a lot of hard - on jokes with controller pics in GAF if this is true.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I read between the lines. And you know, we all have our posting habits.

Sony is financially, in a delicate time? They will throw everything and the kitchen sink, hell with making money.

MS is financially great? They are gonna give us a cheap DVR box for casuals.

How does that shit add up?

I don't think your looking at this correctly.

If Microsoft is really leveraging their system to be more of the media hub of the living room and making Kinect a big part of that with their goal of:

-Releasing at a mass market price point
-Providing features that make it your complete entertainment system
-Kinect 2.0

They are going to have to balance all of the components out in order to make that feasible.

If this really is Microsofts end goal I think its brilliant. Even if its arguably less powerful than Orbis I think they will have the best of both worlds. I also might add that people need to remember that even if the rumored specs of what Durango has under the hood is as high as it gets(I doubt it) that is still a significant leap from this generation. Their games will look amazing

 

[dragonelite]

Your latency math is really, really wrong. True, GDDR5 is higher latency but it's not going to cut off 25% of performance. Nowhere near that. There are ways around it too.

Its was just an example of how we have an uncompleted picture of both consoles.

 

[squidyj]

Just revise dual shock 3 and I would be very happy.

1. tighter analog control
2. better L2/R2 trigger.

DONE.

I like the sticks the 360 controller has, ideally a rubber top with a cup design to hold your thumb in place as you manipulate the joystick would be the best.

 

[RoboPlato]

I don't think your looking at this correctly.

If Microsoft is really leveraging their system to be more of the media hub of the living room and making Kinect a big part of that with their goal of:

-Releasing at a mass market price point
-Providing features that make it your complete entertainment system
-Kinect 2.0

They are going to have to balance all of the components out in order to make that feasible.

If this really is Microsofts end goal I think its brilliant. Even if its arguably less powerful than Orbis I think they will have the best of both worlds. I also might add that people need to remember that even if what the Durango has under the hood is as high as it gets that is still a significant leap from this generation. Their games will look amazing

I agree with this completely. While I personally, and probably a lot of GAF, like Sony's direction for next gen more I think Microsoft is going to do really well in terms of sales if they don't have an RRoD situation, which I highly doubt. It's a good strategy to branch between the core and the casual.

I also don't expect them to be underpowered at all even if Orbis has a bit of an advantage. Judging from the leaked specs it seems like Durango=GameCube and Orbis=Xbox. Xbox had the raw poer but the GameCube could push some great visuals too.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

Your latency math is really, really wrong. True, GDDR5 is higher latency but it's not going to cut off 25% of performance. Nowhere near that. There are ways around it too.

That makes sense too. Wasn't Durango gpu rumored to be GCN2 vs GCN in Orbis? Would this help Durango close that 50% advantage down something closer to 25-30%?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I agree with this completely. While I personally, and probably a lot of GAF, like Sony's direction for next gen more I think Microsoft is going to do really well in terms of sales if they don't have an RRoD situation, which I highly doubt. It's a good strategy to branch between the core and the casual.

Yeah I think its really really smart of them. They would be dumb not to evolve the success they had with Kinect. Unlike the Wii U, Kinect 2.0 will have a wow factor when people see it plus it will have the hardcore games.

Good position to be in imo.

 

[Saberus]

I'm feeling some intense Gaf hostility in this thread.

 

[stryke]

nvm

 

[daveo42]

There are some patents by Sony recently in which the controller essentially becomes hard/soft, hot/ cold depending on the situation in the game - such as walking on concrete, sand etc.. The controller can essentially become loose and flexible at certain moments in the game. They are saying this will be the evolution of the rumble feature.

Not sure how I feel about it though. I can see a lot of hard - on jokes with controller pics in GAF if this is true.

Even if they have the patents for it, that tech isn't going to launch with PS4. A ton of R&D and possibly materials research would need to be done to get something even close.

Also, if Sony was sitting on this tech, it would be idiotic not to show it off. Tech like that isn't something you wait to reveal if it works as intended. You show that off to drum up speculation on the application to get consumers more interested in the product itself.

 

[RoboPlato]

That makes sense too. Wasn't Durango gpu rumored to be GCN2 vs GCN in Orbis? Would this help Durango close that 50% advantage down something closer to 25-30%?

They're very similar in terms of game performance. GCN2 is just a bit smaller and more power efficient for the most part. It's just a slight refinement of GCN.

 

[oversitting]

Sorry, that was 7670 yes, from IGN. Later, VGleaks said it's a custom GPU with 18CU. It looks like that now VGleaks got it right and there has been no indication of a downgrade from what little was divulged.

well there has been a downgrade. jaguar cores < bulldozer, the custom 2.2GB vram card is more than 18CUs.

 

[spwolf]

well there has been a downgrade. jaguar cores < bulldozer, the custom 2.2GB vram card is more than 18CUs.

thats dev kit... now it gets 4 GB of fast ram... do you even know what are you talking about?

 

[Baconsammy]

I don't think your looking at this correctly.

If Microsoft is really leveraging their system to be more of the media hub of the living room and making Kinect a big part of that with their goal of:

-Releasing at a mass market price point
-Providing features that make it your complete entertainment system
-Kinect 2.0

They are going to have to balance all of the components out in order to make that feasible.

If this really is Microsofts end goal I think its brilliant. Even if its arguably less powerful than Orbis I think they will have the best of both worlds. I also might add that people need to remember that even if the rumored specs of what Durango has under the hood is as high as it gets(I doubt it) that is still a significant leap from this generation. Their games will look amazing

Perhaps they're planning for it to be expensive, but also planning to offer a contract mechanism similar to the 99 dollar 360 out now. I have to think they did the 99 dollar 360 promotion to test the waters.

 

[oversitting]

thats dev kit... now it gets 4 GB of fast ram... do you even know what are you talking about?

thats the same target the 192GB/s came from. Try again.

 

[KageMaru]

This thread got pretty stupid fast. So much mudslinging from people who really have no room to talk.

Also anyone that basing where they think either company is going by the last few years have a very very short memory and obviously have forgotten the previous generations.

I don't think your looking at this correctly.

If Microsoft is really leveraging their system to be more of the media hub of the living room and making Kinect a big part of that with their goal of:

-Releasing at a mass market price point
-Providing features that make it your complete entertainment system
-Kinect 2.0

They are going to have to balance all of the components out in order to make that feasible.

If this really is Microsofts end goal I think its brilliant. Even if its arguably less powerful than Orbis I think they will have the best of both worlds. I also might add that people need to remember that even if the rumored specs of what Durango has under the hood is as high as it gets(I doubt it) that is still a significant leap from this generation. Their games will look amazing

I don't think you start a generation off with an "end goal" though. If they plan to start the generation like this, then IMO it's an absolutely stupid plan. The people who Kinect appeals to are not the type to buy and support a system at launch, if they do buy the system, they are not the type to buy software to help make up for losses on hardware.

If these specs are correct, even at $400, they would be selling it at a loss. The Kinect crowd aren't going to be lining up for a 720 at that price and if MS is so focused on profiting on hardware, they aren't going to go lower.

IMO they should be able to make Kinect a part of their goal without it negatively effecting the "core" aspect of the system. If they are trying to please both markets early on, they will fail, and rightfully so IMO.

 

[MakeMeFeelAlive]

I do think Sony needs a wider appeal "Rated Teen" or lower game available at launch, that also has the ability to sell over the long haul. Gran Turismo certainly fits that bill, as does anything by Media Molecule. Naughty Dog could also achieve such a thing with an Uncharted 4, but I think the first two options are better for launch.

I agree with you. I just have trouble seeing sony doing that. Id prefer gran turismo, uncharted, and a media molecule game. I think they hit all targets with that. Gran turismo would obviously sell and move a large amount of units, especially in japan and europe. It also guarantees them to drop more than one game by pd this gen.

I am probably all alone on this, but i have a strong feeling there will be more third party exclusives this gen. MS wants to secure games, and sony wants to do the opposite of what they did last gen. I dont thinkthat it will involve big name titles (there is no imcentive to do it for like gta, unless they drop a huge load of cash). But i can see developers seeking sony and ms to subsidize their games, ala Demons Souls, which later create multiplatform projects.

 

[i-Lo]

well there has been a downgrade. jaguar cores < bulldozer, the custom 2.2GB vram card is more than 18CUs.

I do not know how much of performance was lost to steamroller cores but the part of custom 2.2GB Vram card sounds like fiction.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I'm feeling some intense Gaf hostility in this thread.

You must be new. This is relatively amicable.

This thread got pretty stupid fast. So much mudslinging from people who really have no room to talk.

I don't think you start a generation off with an "end goal" though. If they plan to start the generation like this, then IMO it's an absolutely stupid plan. The people who Kinect appeals to are not the type to buy and support a system at launch, if they do buy the system, they are not the type to buy software to help make up for losses on hardware.

If these specs are correct, even at $400, they would be selling it at a loss. The Kinect crowd aren't going to be lining up for a 720 at that price and if MS is so focused on profiting on hardware, they aren't going to go lower.

IMO they should be able to make a part of their goal without it negatively effecting the "core" aspect of the system. If they are trying to please both markets early on, they will fail, and rightfully so IMO.

I don't agree. If the rumored specs we have is all that Durango amounts to and the "Secret Sauce" isn't something to take the load of the GPU significantly and is something like BC instead(Which I highly doubt since several insiders on here are stating its definitely to help the GPU out in some fashion) but lets just say for arguments sake thats it. Those specs are more than enough to see a jaw on floor leap between Halo 4 and the next Halo and Blops 2 and the next Blops. Plus they are allocating resources so Kinect can really be the centerpiece of the OS which will let them do all kinds of amazing stuff(CES videos are pretty nuts).

At $400 if they are hitting both of those targets with this spec I thinks its a homerun. The hardcore games will still be there. Microsoft isn't going to abandon the people that made them who they are but I can see why it makes a good amount of sense to court both parties.

Perhaps they're planning for it to be expensive, but also planning to offer a contract mechanism similar to the 99 dollar 360 out now. I have to think they did the 99 dollar 360 promotion to test the waters.

If one of them doesn't embrace the subscription model they are crazy.

 

[RoboPlato]

You must be new. This is relatively amicable.

Yeah, if you want GAF hostility hit the Durango specs rumor thread. What a mess. It's nearly impossible to follow it for info any more.

 

[i-Lo]

Yeah, if you want GAF hostility hit the Durango specs rumor thread. What a mess.

What about the now infamous WiiU spec thread? It got quite a few members banned, for good.

 

[Pistolero]

See, you cherry pick.

What about Move? Eye Toy, Home, Blu Ray etc

Convergence of Xbl with PC and windows (how does that work?) is now an indicator of something casual?

Let's cherry pick rumors? What about touchpads, dual cameras etc

What about Sony now having to go to AMD for a more off the shelf design because the money isn't there anymore?

If we wanna have a real perspective on things, we can't go around only seeing what we want to see, so that it supports our wishes.
It's all conjecture based on what we want to see. It's sad man.

What happens if E3 comes, and all this wishful thinking was for nothing?

That's the spirit! Show them, Can Crusher...

Maybe, just maybe, the performance was great. Why reinvent the wheel when you don't need to? You seem to mistake exotic (god, I hate this term) for powerful.

 

[RoboPlato]

What about the now infamous WiiU spec thread. It got quite a few members banned, for good.

Oh god I remember that now. It was a graveyard.

 

[Brad Grenz]

They're very similar in terms of game performance. GCN2 is just a bit smaller and more power efficient for the most part. It's just a slight refinement of GCN.

I never saw a credible rumor suggesting MS has GCN2 and Sony doesn't. I just saw a lot of forum chatter from people trying to figure out a way that Durango could keep up with Or is despite a reported disparity in shaded power.

I would also put zero stock in the speculated bandwidth downgrade for Orbis that magically appeared in this thread today. Considering how long we've had the 192GBps figure, and the fact that GDDR5 should have no problem hitting that target I see no reason to believe it has been lowered, certainly not to an amount that is coincidentally exactly the same as Durango's aggregate bandwidth. If I didn't know better I'd think that was misinformation being spread by someone who doesn't want Orbis being perceived as more powerful.

 

[nib95]

I never saw a credible rumor suggesting MS has GCN2 and Sony doesn't. I just saw a lot of forum chatter from people trying to figure out a way that Durango could keep up with Or is despite a reported disparity in shaded power.

I would also put zero stock in the speculated bandwidth downgrade for Orbis that magically appeared in this thread today. Considering how long we've had the 192GBps figure, and the fact that GDDR5 should have no problem hitting that target I see no reason to believe it has been lowered, certainly not to an amount that is coincidentally exactly the same as Durango's aggregate bandwidth. If I didn't know better I'd think that was misinformation being spread by someone who doesn't want Orbis being perceived as more powerful.

I've followed your posts on B3D and on here and realise you're pretty well versed on this stuff, but BruceLeeRoy and Thuway do not fall under that descriptor. They're pretty reliable.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I never saw a credible rumor suggesting MS has GCN2 and Sony doesn't. I just saw a lot of forum chatter from people trying to figure out a way that Durango could keep up with Or is despite a reported disparity in shaded power.

I would also put zero stock in the speculated bandwidth downgrade for Orbis that magically appeared in this thread today. Considering how long we've had the 192GBps figure, and the fact that GDDR5 should have no problem hitting that target I see no reason to believe it has been lowered, certainly not to an amount that is coincidentally exactly the same as Durango's aggregate bandwidth. If I didn't know better I'd think that was misinformation being spread by someone who doesn't want Orbis being perceived as more powerful.

Hey man I'll be more than happy if my source is wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[oversitting]

I would also put zero stock in the speculated bandwidth downgrade for Orbis that magically appeared in this thread today. Considering how long we've had the 192GBps figure, and the fact that GDDR5 should have no problem hitting that target I see no reason to believe it has been lowered, certainly not to an amount that is coincidentally exactly the same as Durango's aggregate bandwidth. If I didn't know better I'd think that was misinformation being spread by someone who doesn't want Orbis being perceived as more powerful.

192GB/s is the highest bandwidth possible on a 256bit bus. Unless sony want to have a huge useless bus. 192GB/s is the absolute ceiling. Wasting money on chips that make the console hotter and not getting more performance would be what sony likes to do. So maybe it does have that.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

I never saw a credible rumor suggesting MS has GCN2 and Sony doesn't. I just saw a lot of forum chatter from people trying to figure out a way that Durango could keep up with Or is despite a reported disparity in shaded power.

I would also put zero stock in the speculated bandwidth downgrade for Orbis that magically appeared in this thread today. Considering how long we've had the 192GBps figure, and the fact that GDDR5 should have no problem hitting that target I see no reason to believe it has been lowered, certainly not to an amount that is coincidentally exactly the same as Durango's aggregate bandwidth. If I didn't know better I'd think that was misinformation being spread by someone who doesn't want Orbis being perceived as more powerful.

I remember a rumor posted on here about 88xx gpu for Durango.

Also when/where was it posted that Orbis bandwidth has been downgraded from 192gb/s?

 

[KageMaru]

Yeah, if you want GAF hostility hit the Durango specs rumor thread. What a mess. It's nearly impossible to follow it for info any more.

I can't really blame some of them. You have a number of people in that thread who are eager to believe the worst in a system they aren't even interested in.

For all the people in this thread making comments to how some are easily bothered by the thought of Orbis > Durango, there are easily as many people bothered by the thought of Durango = Orbis, which is worse IMO.

That's the spirit! Show them, Can Crusher...

Maybe, just maybe, the performance was great. Why reinvent the wheel when you don't need to? You seem to mistake exotic (god, I hate this term) for powerful.

To be fair, plenty of people assumed the same this gen. ;p

 

[Can Crusher]

This thread got pretty stupid fast. So much mudslinging from people who really have no room to talk.

Also anyone that basing where they think either company is going by the last few years have a very very short memory and obviously have forgotten the previous generations.



I don't think you start a generation off with an "end goal" though. If they plan to start the generation like this, then IMO it's an absolutely stupid plan. The people who Kinect appeals to are not the type to buy and support a system at launch, if they do buy the system, they are not the type to buy software to help make up for losses on hardware.

If these specs are correct, even at $400, they would be selling it at a loss. The Kinect crowd aren't going to be lining up for a 720 at that price and if MS is so focused on profiting on hardware, they aren't going to go lower.

IMO they should be able to make Kinect a part of their goal without it negatively effecting the "core" aspect of the system. If they are trying to please both markets early on, they will fail, and rightfully so IMO.

Basically this, I don't feel comfortable with the idea that the guys taking big decisions wouldn't be able to conclude as much.

Business wise, strategically wise...it just wouldn't add up. It would be betting billions on a losing hand.

That's the spirit! Show them, Can Crusher...

Maybe, just maybe, the performance was great. Why reinvent the wheel when you don't need to? You seem to mistake exotic (god, I hate this term) for powerful.

Actually, I didn't. I even said it in a post a few pages ago when addressing the premature analysis by the FXAA guy that Durango was a simple off the shelf cheap PC with windows installed.

You are looking at me from a wrong perspective.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Basically this, I don't feel comfortable with the idea that the guys taking big decisions wouldn't be able to conclude as much.

Business wise, strategically wise...it just wouldn't add up. It would be betting billions on a losing hand.

If they really are dedicating close to 3gb of the Ram to just the OS it should really tell you something.

 

[bigboss370]

I realise that. I think it's just Sony's me too alternative. Something similar to compete with Kinect but probably not as focused or fleshed out. I.e Move lol.

Sony's the one that's had Playstation Eye since the PS2 generation.

There are some patents by Sony recently in which the controller essentially becomes hard/soft, hot/ cold depending on the situation in the game - such as walking on concrete, sand etc.. The controller can essentially become loose and flexible at certain moments in the game. They are saying this will be the evolution of the rumble feature.

Not sure how I feel about it though. I can see a lot of hard - on jokes with controller pics in GAF if this is true.

wow, they better not be getting rid of rumble again.

 

[btkadams]

There are some patents by Sony recently in which the controller essentially becomes hard/soft, hot/ cold depending on the situation in the game - such as walking on concrete, sand etc.. The controller can essentially become loose and flexible at certain moments in the game. They are saying this will be the evolution of the rumble feature.

Not sure how I feel about it though. I can see a lot of hard - on jokes with controller pics in GAF if this is true.

for real? that sounds amazing!

 

[Uno Venova]

Sony's the one that's had Playstation Eye since the PS2 generation.



wow, they better not be getting rid of rumble again.

But like nib said, they don't focus on it as much.

 

[Alx]

for real? that sounds amazing!

Sounds straight out of ExisTenZ.

 

[Neuromancer]

Sounds straight out of ExisTenZ.

Gun that shoots teeth would also be an awesome peripheral.

 

[thuway]

See, you cherry pick.

What about Move? Eye Toy, Home, Blu Ray etc

Convergence of Xbl with PC and windows (how does that work?) is now an indicator of something casual?

Let's cherry pick rumors? What about touchpads, dual cameras etc

What about Sony now having to go to AMD for a more off the shelf design because the money isn't there anymore?

If we wanna have a real perspective on things, we can't go around only seeing what we want to see, so that it supports our wishes.
It's all conjecture based on what we want to see. It's sad man.

What happens if E3 comes, and all this wishful thinking was for nothing?

I think you need to head over to the Gamefaqs forums. You are losing the plot here.

 

[brain_stew]

well there has been a downgrade. jaguar cores < bulldozer, the custom 2.2GB vram card is more than 18CUs.

The 18 Compute Unit target has been there for at least 2 years, there's been no downgrade. The 2.2GB dev kit figure has nothing to do with target hardware specs, it's a dev kit spec. 2GB unified memory (w/ the exact same 192GB/s bandwidth) was the only assurance initially, although 4GB was always hoped for. So again, no downgrades there.

Sure, 4 3.2ghz Steamroller cores became 8 1.6ghz Jaguar cores at some point and you could argue that was a downgrade but its a pretty easily justifiable decision.

 

[Can Crusher]

If they really are dedicating close to 3gb of the Ram to just the OS it should really tell you something.

But why should I believe that number? Until it's known how much memory is reserved for OS purposes, I won't call out a whole generation based on it.

It just sounds like a prediction that can be very wrong.

I think you need to head over to the Gamefaqs forums. You are losing the plot here.

Cutting a little deep there...

And just sounds like you are trying to be a bit of an a. I know my formatting skills aren't stellar, but calling it gamefaqs material based on a couple of questions and contrasts just seems a bit harsh.

Whatever floats your boat anyway.

 

[meta4]

Sony's the one that's had Playstation Eye since the PS2 generation.



wow, they better not be getting rid of rumble again.

No they are not getting rid of the rumble. They are talking that concept and going the next step. I am curious and need to see how it works if they are indeed implementing it in PS4.

for real? that sounds amazing!

There are interesting suggestions. There was one where firing a machine gun warms the controller . and then it cools down when you stop firing etc.. I am still a bit skeptical. The rumble was amazing and I cannot think of playing any game without it any more. It just feels natural. This however I am not sure and I wonder if it is taking the immersion thingy too far. We will know one way or another this E3.

 

[CLEEK]

There are some patents by Sony recently in which the controller essentially becomes hard/soft, hot/ cold depending on the situation in the game - such as walking on concrete, sand etc.. The controller can essentially become loose and flexible at certain moments in the game. They are saying this will be the evolution of the rumble feature.

Man, tech patents are ridiculous. How can Sony claim to have invented this. I've had a joystick for 37 years that does this.

Not sure how I feel about it though. I can see a lot of hard - on jokes with controller pics in GAF if this is true.

Oh.

 

[Myshkin]

Super Polystation

Police Station
now with "don't stand so close to me" lolis

! Super Coystation
V

 

[oversitting]

Police Station
now with "don't stand so close to me" lolis

super ploystation

 

[shinra-bansho]

That's GAF in a nutshell, but I don't think it necessarily describes Average Joe Wii Consumer, who makes up a vast majority of Wii console sales.

Fixed. Average Joe PS2 Consumer bought it because it had a crapton of games, not because it had a crapton of gimmicks. While the PS3+360 didn't reach ~150M sold just from GAF.

I've sensed this when people were equating thinking the Orbis was more powerful based on specs means everyone thinks it's 'Xbox 1.5' again, and people were getting called biased for not immediately buying that secret sauce making everything a wash.

Drink the secret sauce, Timothy Lotte! Drink it!

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

But why should I believe that number? Until it's known how much memory is reserved for OS purposes, I won't call out a whole generation based on it.

It just sounds like a prediction that can be very wrong.



Cutting a little deep there...

And just sounds like you are trying to be a bit of an a. I know my formatting skills aren't stellar, but calling it gamefaqs material based on a couple of questions and contrasts just seems a bit harsh.

Whatever floats your boat anyway.

Can I am not saying this is 100% but enough sources are coming in to support the idea. Were not getting any conflicting reports about the dedicated ram. Its either 3GB or very close to it. Even people on gaf with Microsoft contacts are hearing the same thing.

You have to at least get used to the idea. I am in now way trying to tell you Durango is going to be severely underpowered but I am telling you that it seems clear Microsoft is trying to make a system that can cover both the hardcore and casuals and that is going to require sacrifices.

This doesn't seem like a far fetched idea considering what a juggernaut Kinect is turning into already and at the end of the day this is a good plan.

If they can capture the demographic the Wii had which they already started to do this gen but not forsake the hardcore they have built up why in the world would they not go for that.

 

[Can Crusher]

Can I am not saying this is 100% but enough sources are coming in to support the idea. Were not getting any conflicting reports about the dedicated ram. Its either 3GB or very close to it. Even people on gaf with Microsoft contacts are hearing the same thing.

You have to at least get used to the idea. I am in now way trying to tell you Durango is going to be severely underpowered but I am telling you that it seems clear Microsoft is trying to make a system that can cover both the hardcore and casuals and that is going to require sacrifices.

This doesn't seem like a far fetched idea considering what a juggernaut Kinect is turning into already and at the end of the day this is a good plan.

If they can capture the demographic the Wii had which they already started to do this gen but not forsake the hardcore they have built up why in the world would they not go for that.

Oh really?

Damn lol, I honestly thought it was all based on an old rumor. That just changes my perspective a lot.

Puts into question the whole memory design to begin with. Well that sounds disappointing.

And well, they shouldn't for multiple reasons, but I've already pointed them before. They are doing it anyway, so, let's see how well they do betting billions with a losing hand.

 

[AgentP]

192GB/s is the highest bandwidth possible on a 256bit bus. Unless sony want to have a huge useless bus. 192GB/s is the absolute ceiling..

256-bit 192GB/s exists now and has since last year.