VGLeaks: Details multiple devkits evolution of Orbis
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Can Crusher
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Ahaha, YES!
-Pyromaniac-
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probably gonna have to wait for official reveal for that.
Ideally I think that Sony would definetly want to ensure BC with the PSN library, they can't let most of the contents go wasted as soon as PS3 becomes obsolete. But at the same time this is more a long term issue since PS3 has still a few years of life in it and most people won't jump on the PS4 bandwagon immediatly.
At the same time BC has established itself as a premium feature for early adopters so your idea of having a premium SKU with extra hardware to ensure full PS3 compatibility (even disc based games) is realistic in my opinion.
With a bigger HD, hardware based BC and some extra feature like digital TV recorder they could pretty much ask for 100$ more on the base price.
At the same time the basic model would still have the option of Gaikai and software emulation (when/if it becomes possible with a limited catalogue).
Graphics Horse
Member
Liverpool were working on a launch game and it'll have been moved to another location unless it was scrapped. Any guesses?
The case design will be safe with Sony as it won't be mass produced yet. There will probably be an accidental leak of promo pictures just before reveal as seems to happen.
Byakuya769
Member
BC is gone. Too many people have shown a willingness to get hyped over HD rehashes of old games. They'll gladly take your money that way.
pharmboy044
Member
nvm.
Tech demo at least?
You nailed it!
Clay Davis
Member
well, if hardware is out. I'll take a software solution over cloud based bc.
It's as if all of you are going to throw away your PS3s when you get the PS4... Not like you can't still play your PS3 collection once PS4 releases. And for those who don't even have a PS3, not sure why you're asking for BC in the first place if you didn't support the system previously.
pr0cs
Member
I doubt I'll buy at launch any next gen system that doesn't support BC. The drought at the start of the current gen was absolutely painful, BC would help alleviate that.
If I have to keep my PS3 and/or 360 plugged in I'll just wait a year or so before buying the next systems.
Pretty depressing really but I suppose it makes sense that BC would be too difficult, especially the change in hardware from the PS3 to the next playstation.
If I have to keep my PS3 and/or 360 plugged in I'll just wait a year or so before buying the next systems.
Pretty depressing really but I suppose it makes sense that BC would be too difficult, especially the change in hardware from the PS3 to the next playstation.
Punkster_NY
Member
something is going on over at vgleaks.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
e3 100% confirmed.
Exactly. And you're all not going to start buying 4K televisions (if 4K is supported on the PS4 with more than 3 titles). You'll still have your 1080p sets.
phosphor112
Banned
...erm.. PS2 games maybe, because they aren't sold anymore, but what about PS3 games, do they really expect people to pay 4-500 for PS4 and 200 for a PS3 JUST to play PS3 games? It's not gonna happen.
Supporting Occulus will only come down to small software support. Virtually "no cost" (it does... but nothing) compared to putting BC in.
McHuj
Member
According to their twitter it's just maintenance.
Phonomezer
Banned
I usually retire the old consoles when I get new ones. They go into the cupboard, though I don't really care for BC.
lol
Ninja's dispached
phosphor112
Banned
Companies are fighting for precious real estate in the entertainment center.
Believe it or not, not everyone has an entertainment center that looks like this.
Nothing has really been said either way.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
A very real possibility, yes. There's nothing here indiciating that PS3 software will be compatible with PS4. Some PSN games I can see being simple enough to make compatible...but there's no solid info yet.
It could go either way until we hear something from Sony.
phosphor112
Banned
It'll be all or nothing. For example, even a "simple" game like Flower wouldn't run ported. PSN games have the same limitations as full retail ones maybe other than size.
Byakuya769
Member
People that bent on BC already have PS3s. I'm saying people have shown they will buy remasters of games from the preceding generation. GOW collection? MGS Trilogy set? We'll see, but BC keeps showing up in these consumer polls they put out and I'm betting they get lukewarm answers on it. That's why most things indicate a move away from it, not towards it. It's a useless bullet point that only a small subset of consumers care about. Those consumers may be vocal, but they don't speak with their cash, so they're really voiceless.
A few weeks after closing the studio, there was a little message on WipEout
2048 Facebook page, reading; WE.ARE.ALIVE
This will do it.
Well, Cell is already fully emulated by IBMs Full System Simulator in
software. It was distributed by IBMs Cell SDK. But about one and a half year
ago, after the PS3 was fully hacked, they wiped the simulator from the net.
And phosphor112, I want to see BC in as well. But the world won't end,
if it isn't.
Phonomezer
Banned
This is the only BC I care about, I would be incredibly pissed off if I couldn't migrate my PSN games to the PS4. I have more confidence in Microsoft in this regard.
You don't need such a huge entertainment center to play your PS3 games next gen, just need to have space for one additional unit. Heck, you can eliminate half to 3/4 of those consoles with a PC.
Companies are fighting for precious real estate in the entertainment center.
Believe it or not, not everyone has an entertainment center that looks like this.
Lol at that tiny ass tv.
phosphor112
Banned
I know someone that owns a 360, wants to play PS3 games, but said he would only buying a PS4 next gen, so he can play PS3 games and PS4 games. That's hundreds of dollars lost if he never buys a PS3.
Also, people really downplay BC (like you) but people expect to have BC on their PC, and even phones, why not expect the same for game consoles?
Hell, I asked my wife if she wanted a Wii U, she specifically asked me if it could play Gamecube games. I said no, and she said "That's lame." (Double Dash is one of her favorite games). But hell... she isn't a "gamer" by any means, she just mostly plays LBP and some other small games once every month.
"One additional unit."
Next to the 360, the PS3, the cable box, collection of discs you have, and anything else that might happen to be there.
I'm not holding my breathe, but I think it's very short sighted for Sony not to use it. There is a huge lineup of recently released games that publishers would still like to sell.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Haha same thing I thought.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
Companies are fighting for precious real estate in the entertainment center.
Believe it or not, not everyone has an entertainment center that looks like this.
The difference in those sets is PS2 games being redone in HD - with the originals looking terrible on a HD TV. For PS3 games, that's really not the case and personally I wouldn't rebuy the lot of them if they were somehow remastered like I have been for PS2 HD collections.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Eh I don't game on my big TV either. The lag is terrible.
phosphor112
Banned
I'm also going to note something in that picture.
The dude ran out of space. Now he's got a PS3 next to his TV. Doesn't even have a 360 or Wii... where do his newer consoles go?
The dude ran out of space. Now he's got a PS3 next to his TV. Doesn't even have a 360 or Wii... where do his newer consoles go?
On the contrary that can be a big incentive.
The fact that not only you can play new titles but you can also have access to the backcatalogue of an other console you have never owned is a big thing.
Reasons for not buying a system can be really different from just not being interested.
Often people are interested in a few games but they're not enough to justify the purchase of a specific device to play them.
I can tell you as a personal experience that I've never owned a PS1 and and DS and being able to play the best games of those systems 'as a bonus' made a big part in me buying a PS2 and a 3DS.
You keep your discs on the TV stand/unit? No wonder you have no space, keep them in a separate cabinet.
Even if Sony did manage to put PS3 BC into the PS4 I'd expect a hefty price increase on the unit. And then people will complain, stating their 'entitlement' to having backwards compatibility without the additional cost.
Having already seen what he was capable of doing with all those consoles, I'm sure he won't have a problem finding a solution.
Byakuya769
Member
I'll expect my apologies and groveling via PM when I'm proven right.
Companies are fighting for precious real estate in the entertainment center.
Believe it or not, not everyone has an entertainment center that looks like this.
B....but are all those consoles simultaneously connected and ready to use? :O
Psychotext
Member
It's not just that. Say you're chatting with a friend over PSN and they suggest a game of Trine 2. That might be fine for them as they're actually talking from their PS3, but you're on your PS4, so you shut that down, find your controller (no way the PS4 ones will be compatible, even if they were, they wont link with more than one machine), load up your PS3, change channel on your TV, find the game, load it, invite them etc.
Or, if the PS4 is done right, accept an invite and start playing. Job done.
phosphor112
Banned
You make it sound like people don't do this.
I've got my games in a CD book/wallet.
Bam. Having to log out of a PS4, which WILL have much better OS and PSN features, and turning on a PS3, with a much slower and inferior service is just embarrassing.
Zoe
Member
I don't want the possibility of one of my account slots being taken up by a PS3 when the PS4 is in full swing.
Byakuya769
Member
So you guys want another $599 debacle basically. Correct?
Psychotext
Member
Adding a CELL like processor is not adding a $300 blu-ray drive.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Wait what?