It will be like GC to Xbox based on the current specs.
VGLeaks rumor: Durango CPU Overview
- Thread starter DieH@rd
- Start date
It will be like GC to Xbox based on the current specs.
Or a video overlay for HDMi passthrough. Or it's just for OS notifications and people are blowing it out of proportion
Hiro_Kunimi_80
Member
i think would be better to wait for finalized tech spec, than make a comparison among an updated version of the leaks (final ps4 tech spec with 8GB ram ) and an unconfirmed hardware not yet announced
JohnnySasaki86
Member
yep. But the gap could widen even further depending how large MS's OS footprint is(2 cores and 3gb of RAM). This is the one thing I hope rumors end up being wrong on. Its really the only realistic change one could expect at this point in time.
I dont know how much over 5gb of usable RAM would help Durango though, with its current bandwidth set up. 5-6gb seems like it may be the sweet spot anyways.
soul creator
Member
that old 56-page doc from last year said something similar...basically having a System/OS related chip, and then the "real gamez" chip. It also had a "Xbox 360 BC" chip as well, lol.
Wow, so real world, in game performance improvements can be a high as twice that of the 1.2TB card, but always at least 30% better. That doesn't even take into consideration the RAM bandwidth benefit of GDDR5.
So it's going to be the opposite of this?
JohnnySasaki86
Member
Except if Durango is lower in GPU performance, MS will likely skim over that, and point out where they equal Sony (8GB ram, 8 core CPU) and then focus on how they differentiate
NemesisPrime
Banned
Some people will believe anything.
Microsoft won't even talk about specs. They never did for the Xbox 360.
Baconsammy
Banned
And some people will wish for anything.
dragonelite
Member
If they won't you can bet it is not competitive with the ps4.
Also last month bait and switch rumors does not bod well for a durango preorder from me.
BruiserBear
Banned
Maybe not on stage at E3, but I do recall them releasing a spec sheet and a written piece explaining why their console was capable. They do care about that debate, even if they don't make it a high profile priority.
Different engines, different effects. Some engines on high/ultra will still tax the better GPU, others will see an enormous boost. I'm sure if you added a few of the more demanding mods for Skyrim, the boost wouldn't be anywhere near as high as 100%.
No, it's just that Microsoft will focus on what their next 'entertainment box' will actually do, rather than talk about what's under the hood. The mass market doesn't give a shit about "specifications" like we do.
I don't think we'll ever get spec talk as detailed as the PS2/PS3 reveals ever again. Games are appealing to a much broader audience than ever before and even among the enthusiast crowd a lot of people don't know what they really mean. I was honestly surprised that the 1.84tflop and 176 Gb/s numbers for PS4 were thrown out at the reveal.
Deuterium
Member
I think people are going to be in a big surprise when Microsoft reveals their console.
As it stands now, I will be first in line to buy the new PS4...especially because I can't stand the Microsoft focus on "Kinect" bullshit. Nevertheless, I do not hold ANY confidence in VGleaks and related "leaks" of specs that are over a year old.
So I will say once more...by the end of this month (and perhaps by the end of this week), I think a lot of people will be slapping their foreheads in trusting and believing in unconfirmed rumors (leaks).
As it stands now, I will be first in line to buy the new PS4...especially because I can't stand the Microsoft focus on "Kinect" bullshit. Nevertheless, I do not hold ANY confidence in VGleaks and related "leaks" of specs that are over a year old.
So I will say once more...by the end of this month (and perhaps by the end of this week), I think a lot of people will be slapping their foreheads in trusting and believing in unconfirmed rumors (leaks).
Yes they did
They are not over a year old they are a year exactly, and thats if we assume they have one source as the Durango conference last year, which we know is false.
We have confirmed the Durango conference leaks has being the GPU vgleaks has presented, now unless Microsoft don't want to launch this year they will not have changed anything majorly.
Unless I'm missing something wasn't it just confirmed that the most recent VGleaks specs were from this year?
The are not over a year old, they are from 2013.
They announced 1TFlop for the 360 and Sony countered at their event with 2TFlops. While people remember Sony's 2TFlop lie they fail to remember that it was farting contest started by Microsoft.
Also never forget;
Major Nelson said:
Miles Quaritch
Member
I believe that was in reference to the CPU information they had.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
I'm not going to make a comment until the Durango reveal.
Except I just did.
In that case, I'll add I'm fully expecting a reply to the PS4's RAM enhancement with some enhancement of their own, but until then, we should remain prudent.
Except I just did.
In that case, I'll add I'm fully expecting a reply to the PS4's RAM enhancement with some enhancement of their own, but until then, we should remain prudent.
They cannot up the eSRAM, and more DDR3 will bring practically nothing other raising the cost of the box.
Melchiah
Member
Do you mean surround sound?
IIRC, MGS2 ran worse on Xbox, and neither MGS3 or SH3 were released on the system. That's why I found it odd someone would buy it for multiplatform (ie. 3rd party) games, when most of them went to another console. By settling for Xbox you said goodbye to many major 3rd party titles, eg. Final Fantasy & Resident Evil, and had to wait for games like GTA to arrive on your chosen platform. I'd understand the choice if it relied on Microsoft's exclusives.
That's the company line though, isn't it?
I mean even now publishers and developers will say PS3/360 versions are the same even if they aren't. They want to sell on both platforms.
BruiserBear
Banned
The problem with statements like this is they show a lack of understanding for how these processes work. These specs, particularly the CPU, GPU, and RAM type are set in stone long before the console ships.
In other words, it's basically not possible for Microsoft to "respond" with different specs. It's most likely their "response" will simply be a more finely tuned PR message that attempts to explain why their console is still "powerful" while not truly getting into a spec debate, because they know that's an argument they can't win.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
VGleaks are on record saying their info is from this year (2013) for Durango. Why would they put their credibility on the line?
DF/Edge seem to be in agreement too. Sure there could be a few bits and pieces we don't know about, but I think the CPU/GPU/RAM/ will be what VGleaks have posted outside clock speeds.
I'll be the first to congratulate MS if they have managed to keep their specs secret and they turn out completely different to what VGleaks have posted.
DF/Edge seem to be in agreement too. Sure there could be a few bits and pieces we don't know about, but I think the CPU/GPU/RAM/ will be what VGleaks have posted outside clock speeds.
I'll be the first to congratulate MS if they have managed to keep their specs secret and they turn out completely different to what VGleaks have posted.
He got temp banned because he mentioned PS4 in a Durango topic.
I'm sure the specs are the same as leaked and Will not change...
what I think we will learn is just how much we have underestimated the total engineering design and how effective it will be at mitigating the difference between the two systems so as to render them *mostly* indistinguishable for games for several years to come.
what I think we will learn is just how much we have underestimated the total engineering design and how effective it will be at mitigating the difference between the two systems so as to render them *mostly* indistinguishable for games for several years to come.
And he has yet to provide any evidence what so ever of his claims, either way we will know by the end of the week. His writing style is similar to that crazy guy with the blog before as we'll.
XtremeXpider
Member
Sure?
He said a leak this week about changed hardware specs iirc, so yeah by the end of the week we will know if his shit stinks or not.
That was part of his claim. It's part of the reason anyone bothered with it, since it would prove false (or true) in a short time
Because as far as Durango goes they currently have zero credibility?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
They are showing Durango to employees the world over this week.
I would be stunned if something doesn't leak.
They have a lot more then 0. They have at least one confirmed source of information, most likely more. They have a damn sight more then random 'insiders' with 0 evidence.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
What I mean is, they got PS4 spot on outside the last second 8GB. Why ruin that with bogus info on Durango. It wouldn't make sense to me.
They're going to fade into complete irrelevance once the actual specs are revealed - why would they care about their reputation?
Why is everyone assuming that the VGLeaks specs are wrong? If they're predominantly correct as a whole, then they will become one of the more reliable "leak" sources around.
BruiserBear
Banned
Even if you want to throw VGLeaks out the window, are we going to ignore the fact that The Digital Foundry has said they have sources of their own that have confirmed the rumored specs?
AFAIK, nothing Durango related has been confirmed.
This is true. But the way these sites operate is through secondary and tertiary sources. Just because one of their trusted sources reported something right for Sony, doesn't mean they're necessarily right about Microsoft too.
Because then people will believe them when they claim to have scoops on unannounced games.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I thought that. But I think they're trying to become a semi-serious leak/rumour site.
That was the Durango Alpha Kit. Just like Sony's PS4 Alpha Kit that incorporated a 4-core CPU and 2GB RAM.
I don't really see anyone doubting what VGLeaks has put out, or DF (although their article just said that superdae provided proof of the former). The question is whether anything has changed since then (VGLeaks suggests not on the CPU side -- the original topic of the thread) or can anything change. There answer is probably no to both, but that is what most people have been discussing -- not whether vgleaks was wrong/lying
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Not true. The spec stuff that VGALeaks has leaked bit by bit has been confirmed by multiple sources, not one industry person has come out to say it is incorrect.
Man tell us more about MS plans. You seems to have everything figured out...
Hiro_Kunimi_80
Member
Credibility for press website / paper ( and not only into games business) is wildly overrated
Just take a look to Michael Pachter analysis, or even Microsoft-Sony-Nintendo PR spins, etc etc etc
Just take a look to Michael Pachter analysis, or even Microsoft-Sony-Nintendo PR spins, etc etc etc